RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby General Patton » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:41 am

If your enemies goal was to isolate you from support from the outsiders/general community, I'd say they have succeeded. Granted I've only made it to the 7th page, but I haven't seen any content yet.

Edit: Page 11, we actually get something relating to a topic, sorta. Reading on...
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:52 am

General Patton wrote:If your enemies goal was to isolate you from support from the outsiders/general community, I'd say they have succeeded. Granted I've only made it to the 7th page, but I haven't seen any content yet.


If you're speaking to me, you're incorrect. I did that all by myself. Except for the sexually assaultive undertones. Those came from the environment. However, I'd be astonished if there were more than 1.5 posters on the entire forum who will ever understand that I'm not just pointing at thin air when I refer to them. So I'm kind of noting that one just for the record.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby smiths » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:18 am

maybe we are all picking up on the chaotic and confusing times we're being subjected to

The row prompted Haiti's president, René Préval, to call for calm.
"This is an extremely difficult situation," he told AP. "We must keep our cool to co-ordinate and not throw accusations at each other."


after a seven hour stretch of working and keeping my eye on this intense thread i went down to south beach, freo and dived into the ocean and felt lightened, i needed it
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby winston smith » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:47 am

Even on a board for outsiders I feel like an outsider.

Who stands, the crux left of the watershed...........
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby SanDiegoBuffGuy » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:03 am

I guess in high school this thread would be called a "nerd fight."

I'm with Alice on this one. This thread only makes this place look like a tabloid. Jeff must realize how damaging this must be to what he has created. This place has been like my newspaper, but without the drama I've accused others of in their departures I think I have better things to do than to read stuff like this, hoping for something substantial. So, for me, a break from here is in order. There's a whole world out there and I just have better things to do.

I wonder how many people Jeff has lost by having this thread here, those who will not make egotistical dramatic departures but who will silently slip away to devote their energies to more meaningful things?
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Sounder » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:05 am

after a seven hour stretch of working and keeping my eye on this intense thread i went down to south beach, free and dived into the ocean and felt lightened, i needed it


Good for you smiths, it makes me feel good simply hearing about your ocean dive. Gotta love the big water, thanks.

You are doing fine C2W?, and who can or needs to know everything anyway?
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby 23 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:30 am

Et in Arcadia ego wrote:...but for now, when you engage someone in PM, please make sure you do not say anything you do not want to see used against you; its just good common sense online behavior even if this were not taking place.


Sage advice. One of the very few rules that I live by is... don't say anything to someone that you wouldn't be willing for the rest of the world to know. It has served me well.

And the observation, that's contained in my sig, has served me well as well.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Jeff » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:39 am

SanDiegoBuffGuy wrote:I wonder how many people Jeff has lost by having this thread here


Maybe; I dunno. I'm not really interested in racking up the numbers. That should have been obvious after all these years. But maybe, without a thread like this now, we would have lost the forum. I'm sure that doesn't make sense to most, and honestly there's no reason why it should, but the light needed switching on. And it's my shame that I kept the membership in the dark.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Telexx » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:52 am

Jeff wrote:
SanDiegoBuffGuy wrote:I wonder how many people Jeff has lost by having this thread here


Maybe; I dunno. I'm not really interested in racking up the numbers. That should have been obvious after all these years. But maybe, without a thread like this now, we would have lost the forum. I'm sure that doesn't make sense to most, and honestly there's no reason why it should, but the light needed switching on. And it's my shame that I kept the membership in the dark.


Jeff,

- You strive to provide this space for people to be. It's a complicated business, certainly compared to what it once was, and certainly I doubt you envisaged any of this when you very first thought "I've got a good idea for the blog... :!: "

- et strives to keep the place safe from the real crazies, and has got caught up in some real pain as a result. It's no wonder he's emotional about it all, and I don't blame him.

- C2W strives to keep the place safe from itself; and although this thread is pretty unseemly, as you say it probably had to happen. If C2W will listen, I hope she would accept my apology for denouncing this thread as a disaster, whilst similarly accepting the fact that the Good Guys here love her and that's not going to change. :lovehearts:

I'd say the best way to inoculate a community such as this from arg-or-otherwise inspired mindfuckery, is to keep it informed when events occur, but I offer that whilst admitting I am a complete idealist and I have literally 0% experience of keeping a community such as this safe.

It's not a simple task Jeff. Not by any standards, so please don't feel shame on our part: you are striving to make the best decisions you can with the resources you have available.

With lots of respect & gratitude for the occasional home you have generously provided for these past 4+ years.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby nathan28 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:56 am

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background--particularly, mentioning that there have been and are sponges active here, who not only gather various bits of flim-flam about people to use against them but have also hacked personal emails and accounts and used these to datamine/capture personal information; that this information has been used in a way that is slanderous, and that this slander largely seems to have been used for the sake of someone's demented art project or pastime of cyberstalking. "Cyberstalking" might sound like a phantom, but EiAE had his nose rubbed in something from his personal life in a way that is really, really out-of-line--probably not enough to constitute legally actionable libel (*
**I am not a lawyer) but pretty fucked up. I think this sticky post, if it ever comes forth, should be detailed enough that people understand that for whatever reason, there's an active but largely invisible group that bullies a small number of people here both in this forum and across the broader internet, for the sake of disruption.

Maybe there should be more background and particulars given, but I'm worried that doing so only ends up maintaining continuity in the narrative that these goons seek to create; at the same time, having transparency, like EiAE's disclosure about the "perfect troll shit storm," helped me understand more than I knew previously about all this.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby psynapz » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:03 pm

They may have lost this battle (thank you c2w & et, shortcomings and all), but they sure do seem to be winning the war.

Given the nature and quality of the best content at this junction, and the intersection with numerous agencies party to said content, I have a hard time accepting in my paranoid little mind that this is all merely the work of bored, avant garde situationalists.

It strikes me that this guise would best suit any well thought-out, organized, budgeted effort to delicately, carefully, surgically castrate this dangerous place to whatever degree permissible without raising reasonable suspicion, so as to leave an apparent lack in lustre upon first impression by the growing hordes of awakening livestock subject to RI's natural power to rank for the terms which signify these most dangerous thoughts. And it wouldn't take but one compromised arteest inciting his or her little crowd of super-cynical, clove-smoking little weirdos to riot for the first molotovs to be lit and thrown, as we've seen conflagrate with recent departures.

But we'll never really know. I've had some pretty insidious [former] friends who would perform real-life ARG's about content they personally find disdainful just to prove a point about the interested target's gullibility, but I've never seen it done online. It seems so obvious now that it's the perfect place for it, but I would think they would get more traction on more populous, malleable and nose-leadable fora than we (DU, SF, GLP and ATS come to mind). This is really tragic, and I think the exposeurs in this thread are quite brave for attempting to sneak a snuke into the snizz of said interlopers rather than attempting to ignore them as harmlessly annoying children, which does seem like it would be a fatal mistake for the board, so I think it's worth all the hand-wringing and even the friendly fire (note: I am neither EIAEE, DE nor WRex, despite using one of his brainsturbator composites as my avatar).

On proxies, don't be dumb. There are many here who should be so savvy, in furtherance of their own physical safety, to consistently access this place through a proxy. The rest of us who don't are subject to a knock on the door at any moment from any number of knuckle-bearers. Or worse, the quasi-clandestine sabotage of their bicycles, as in LBO's apparent case. I wish I hadn't ever stopped, myself. Even the spooky US Navy's own tor project is better than nothing, despite obvious and hopefully unintentional flaws.

We need to take this association more seriously, not less. New posters to the contrary be damned. You haven't been following this grand, overarching and apparently truly dangerous saga for the last several years like the rest of us have, so quit trying to talk out of school. Here's your bag of potato chips, go be all that somewhere else.

Please, proceed.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby norton ash » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:03 pm

Streeeeetch. I left this thread around midnight and returned at 9:45 this morning after a good sleep.

I don't think anyone here-- or RI in general-- "looks bad" through such impassioned meta-discussion. It shows that people care, some a great deal, and may occasionally take up arms in defense of themselves and the village.

I have no dog in this fight, have never been harassed or stalked, but that's pretty much because I'm a tourist-- one who has enough emotionally invested in RI to care a great deal about the safety and sanity of those here, having learned that that there are sick fucks who dwell in the Matrix, whether paid disinfo agents, emotional fascists, or simply the perverse and cruel. But I don't live here or on the web, and there is enough collusion, corruption and cruelty in my own real world that those are the monsters I will choose to fight.

Those who dismiss this brave and necessary effort by C2W and et as navel-gazing, exaggeration and paranoia simply don't know the sick sneaks they're trying to nail. Jeff's mention that at one time he felt like "turning the lights out" is chilling. Ask yourselves why he'd say that; I feel safe in stating it's not because of discussions like this one which some of you seem to feel are "wrecking RI."

Anyway, the trolls are nasty little cockroaches who breed quickly and flee the light. And if the ghost of Burroughs knocks on the door and says "Exterminator!" I say let him in, even if Burroughs being Burroughs is enough by itself to make me watch him closely...

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Jeff » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:09 pm

Telexx wrote:
I'd say the best way to inoculate a community such as this from arg-or-otherwise inspired mindfuckery, is to keep it informed when events occur, but I offer that whilst admitting I am a complete idealist and I have literally 0% experience of keeping a community such as this safe.


You're right. And regrettably for all, I too have literally 0% experience.

nathan28 wrote:Maybe there needs to be more background and particulars given, but I'm worried that doing so only ends up maintaining continuity in the narrative that these goons seek to create


You're right too, nathan. I didn't want to give this thing more oxygen or a larger footprint. You know: Just ignore them. They're just trying to get a reaction; keep your dignity....




But the less dignity the bad guys have, the less they make that possible.

And yes: a stickied caution about carefulness is an excellent idea.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby norton ash » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:15 pm

PERFECT Kids in the Hall, Jeff.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:17 pm

psynapz wrote:Given the nature and quality of the best content at this junction, and the intersection with numerous agencies party to said content, I have a hard time accepting in my paranoid little mind that this is all merely the work of bored, avant garde situationalists.


There is nothing remotely avant garde about what these people are up to. I'd place a work such as TLS in the category of incomplete grad school hijinks circa 1989. And I can only imagine that a man like Guy Debord would have less than ten seconds to devote his interest to these so-called situationists. This is not art, it is bathroom wall scribbling.

Compared2what, I hope you'll be back after your rest and continue setting an example for us all of what the finer points of online discourse can look like. I know I'd be extremely disappointed if you felt you had to stay away after such a monumental effort to keep us all together.
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