'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Wed May 19, 2010 10:53 pm

^^^Fuuuuccckkkk. Man, didn't we know this part of the story was inevitably to come? Fucking assholes.

I texted my buddy from LA the other day -- "So long Cajun food. Ugh." This is going to be sooo fucking bad (it already is). I have absolutely no faith (obviously) in the Obama administration to stand up and do the right thing. I bet Salazar gets thrown under the bus here very soon.

On the flip side, I have had a hankering for Cajun food ever since this began.

They say it has finally gotten into the "spiral current" or something and is going to be showing up in FL very soon as well. All BP assets need to be seized as someone's avatar here says. No honcho in that company should be left with a dime.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby justdrew » Wed May 19, 2010 10:59 pm

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http://www.theoildrum.com/user/Heading%20Out/stories

Some thoughts:

I wonder if they've got some good underground sensing equipment down there, it would be nice to get some idea how intact the well/earth structure is...

I'm so sick of seeing constant barrels/gallons mixups. the only unit that should be used is kiloliters.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Wed May 19, 2010 11:48 pm

Gulf oil spill may be 19 times bigger than originally thought

Wednesday, 05.19.10

WASHINGTON - The latest glimpse of video footage of the oil spill deep under the Gulf of Mexico indicates that around 95,000 barrels, or 4 million gallons, a day of crude oil may be spewing from the leaking wellhead, 19 times the previous estimate, an engineering professor told Congress on Wednesday.

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http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/19/1 ... times.html

The original nightmare scenario of this thread was 10 times higher: 50,000 barrels, or 2.1 million gallons a day.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed May 19, 2010 11:59 pm

I really do believe it is no hyperbole to say that we live in a truly corporatist/fascist state. Its really amazing to see how the government is now an explicit arm of the corporations.
Anyway, her are some photos of the goo floating/streaming in...


Oil everywhere at Pass a Loutre
Thick oil pools in the waters along Louisiana's coast...photos taken as Governor Bobby Jindal toured oil-impacted marshlands by boat on May 19, 2010, near Pass a Loutre.
Photos courtesy of Governor Jindal's Office.

IT'S HERE: Oil everwhere at Pass a Loutre -

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Col. Quisp » Thu May 20, 2010 12:15 am

How am I supposed to get to sleep after seeing these photos??????? Sickening...just sickening. And it will only get worse.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 20, 2010 12:16 am

Well, what gets me is how BP seems to be dictating everything. Today congress people demanding BP show them all the film they have on the leak, and they just say 'no'. I mean WTF?!
They have just relented and said they will release video, but only to a select group of congress people. Again WTF?! Why not let scientists view the damned tape.
Then there is the question of why the hell 'we' (the Gov't.) don't just send a exploratory military vehicle to assess the situation, accurately gauge the rate of spew, and to make sure BP knows what its doing.
Coast guard chasing away reporters on behest of BP.
Very strange.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu May 20, 2010 12:37 am

Man this is fucked. Burn BP to the ground.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 20, 2010 1:08 am

justdrew, from your photo link-

The cation to it reads :
"Gov. Bobby Jindal and Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser tour the oily waters of the Roseau Grasses, which mark the coastline of southeast Louisiana at Pass a Loutre at the mouth of the Mississippi River, on Wednesday."

Nungesser, thats the guy who I had posted about hearing on the radio. The man was in tears.

Also thought I'd post the graphic from the nola page for a better sense of location as well...
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Meanwhile...
Artificial barrier island plan awaits approval from Corps of Engineers
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill ... _plan.html
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 20, 2010 2:08 am

82_28 wrote: I have absolutely no faith (obviously) in the Obama administration to stand up and do the right thing. I bet Salazar gets thrown under the bus here very soon.

Obama must get control of rogue oil regulators
"PRESIDENT OBAMA vastly understated the case last week when he said the Minerals Management Service has a “cozy relationship’’ with oil companies....Though Salazar declared himself the “new sheriff in town’’ days after Obama’s inauguration, the minerals service exempted BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation from a required environmental impact analysis. ... The problem at the minerals service isn’t a few bad apples. It’s rotten to the core."
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 20, 2010 2:23 am

Mr. Obama - how much oil is spewing from the pipes? You've had a month to tell us. You are supposed to be a smart man. You have surrounded yourself with smart men and women. As the leader of our country, your obligation to keep the American people informed about this catastrophe is paramount.

This is the clearest signal yet about how you believe government should act in a crisis. While BP is killing the gulf, you remain distant, aloof, politically correct - afraid of being caught up in the unpleasantness. Short of a few rhetorical words of unhappiness, you've engaged your blow out preventor and you have walked away.

You've turned your back on this affair, like Wall Street's disaster, you publicly scolded a few fat cats and walked away from the mess. Mr President you talk too much. Way too much. You don't walk the walk. You walk away.

Put our multi-billion dollar inventory of equipment, scientists and intellectual property to work and tell us how much oil is leaking. Tell us the types and volume of chemicals being used to break up the oil. Tell us the risks and plans for clean up.

This isn't an intellectual exercise or chess game. People are suffering, the environment is suffering. This disaster proves my instincts about you as commander-in-chief are correct. You have clearly demonstrated to me that you are not worthy of the position. We need leadership, not cheap fancy talk.

- Our spending and in Afghanistan exceeding the peak of Iraq. 100,000 troops, 100,000 private contractors.

- Insurance regulations have been written by insurance companies.

- Wall Street regulations are being written by investment banks.

- BP is in total control of a catastrophe that is crippling public municipalities in four states.

You are keeping your hands clean, determined to show that corporations can run government and war better than its citizenry. You are doing this regardless of the financial, human and environmental costs.

Bravo on your political survival instincts, Mr. President. Too bad for the Gulf. Too bad for dead Afghans, Iraqis and dead US soldiers. Too bad for stolen pension plans and families facing bankruptcy for lack of work. Too bad for laid-off workers whose jobs are sent to low skill workers in India and China where labor is unregulated. And too bad for those of us who still cannot afford proper care, even as Wall Street gets richer on health reform.

And ultimately, too bad for the East Coast and the Arctic. After Valdez and Deep Horizon, it's now their turn to bathe in the profits of big oil.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 20, 2010 2:29 am

Just fucking awful. Tear inducing. Utterly unacceptable. These BP fucks and their .gov fuckface covermen need to go commit suicide. They have literally fucked up everything. Everything is fucked. There is absolutely no end to this in sight still.

We shall see how powerful this US government is once this all plays out. Chances are, .gov, the people, "the taxpayers" will have absolutely no recourse. Hopefully this will spark riots. I bet it will. If .gov wants out, they need to forcibly seize BP and they need to do it now.

As we know however, the simple people of Afghanistan are much more of a "threat". This fucking place needs to get its shit in order. They need to call off all psychological operations, wars, black ops etc. They need to get down to business and fucking be the smart people they think they are. There is absolutely no reason for this and wasn't foreseeable.

I think it is a good thing too, that these predicted "riots" begin in the south. It may usher in an in your face fascist take over, but they will be finally reacting to us and not the other way around.

Corporations and capitalism has literally fucked up everything. What is psy-op central's next step?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 20, 2010 2:41 am

Oh, and remember those 'quit claims' they slipped in for fishermen to sign in order to free BP from any liability?
Well...Lookie, lookie...
Fishermen Report Illness From BP Chemicals
Toxicologist Says Chemicals Harmful, Can Lead To Death
POSTED: 10:53 pm CDT May 19, 2010
UPDATED: 11:42 pm CDT May 19, 2010

LAFITTE, La. --

More and more stories about sick fishermen are beginning to surface after the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The fishermen are working out in the Gulf -- many of them all day, every day -- to clean up the spill. They said they blame their ailments on the chemicals that BP is using.
One fisherman said he felt like he was going to die over the weekend.
"I've been coughing up stuff," Gary Burris said. "Your lungs fill up."
Burris, a longtime fisherman who has worked across the Gulf Coast, said he woke up Sunday night feeling drugged and disoriented.
"It was like sniffing gasoline or something, and my ears are still popping," Burris said. "I'm coughing up stuff. I feel real weak, tingling feelings."
Marine toxicologist Riki Ott said the chemicals used by BP can wreak havoc on a person's body and even lead to death.
"The volatile, organic carbons, they act like a narcotic on the brain," Ott said. "At high concentrations, what we learned in Exxon Valdez from carcasses of harbor seals and sea otters, it actually fried the brain, (and there were) brain lesions."


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Thu May 20, 2010 2:51 am

I mean, fuck, you can seize various countries filled with brown humans who pray to an Allah and Muhammad. But you can't seize, bombard or shock and awe a simple fucking company. I think they know which side their bread is buttered on. Just awful.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu May 20, 2010 11:58 am

As per this video, the oil has hit the gulf loop current, which feeds into the gulf stream.



Now, I'm no expert, but it seems to me like all bets are off at this point, seeing as the gulf stream will not only carry the oil and the chemical dispersants up the east coast of the US and Canada, but also to the west coast of Europe and Scandinavia.

Furthermore, does anyone have any idea what impact oil in the gulf stream could have on climate, seeing as the gulf stream is responsible for warming much of western and northern Europe???

I mean, for fuck's sake, we really don't seem to be anywhere closer to stopping the leak, and the lies, erm, I mean the estimates of the rate of the leak seem to increase daily.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Thu May 20, 2010 5:14 pm

Oil threatens French-speaking Cajuns, native Choctaw

by Clement Sabourin Clement Sabourin – Thu May 20, 10:00 am ET

MONTEGUT, Louisiana (AFP) – The encroaching Gulf of Mexico oil spill may have sounded the death knell for the vanishing cultures of the last French-speaking Cajun communities and Louisiana native Americans.

Here in the deep Louisiana south, the Cajun people and the French-speaking Choctaw Indians can do nothing but maintain an anxious vigil, angrily accusing US authorities of abandoning them to their fate.

Since the April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig unleashed a huge oil leak in the Gulf, no barriers have been erected to protect their home on a speck of land off the Louisiana coast called Isle de Jean Charles.

For two weeks, Clifton Hendon has been unable to go out to sea to harvest the oyster beds -- his only source of income.

Fishing has been banned in the area in the wake of the deepsea oil spill that British energy giant BP is still struggling to contain, nearly a month after the rig it leased from Transocean sank.

"I've lost hundreds of dollars," sighed the 63-year-old oysterman, one of the 80 or so last remaining French Indians, as they call themselves, living on Isle de Jean Charles.

His small, flat-bottomed boat lay idle, moored on the canal alongside the mobile home where he has lived since Hurricane Katrina destroyed his house in 2005. US officials have promised him a new home. But so far nothing.

"They have abandoned us," he said with an air of resignation.

Used to being overlooked, the Choctaw Indians were not surprised that military engineers sent to the region after the disaster have refused to erect barriers between the bayous and the sea as they have done further up the coast.

If the huge oil slick arrives here as predicted, nothing will stop it from washing up on Isle de Jean Charles, on the southern tip of Lousiana's vanishing wetlands.

"They told us that this island has nothing of value worth saving," said the island's historian, Christophe Brunet.

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