The peoples voice.

[American Dream]

As an exercise, let's reverse things -

Say I (S08) <really> <REALLY> <R E A L L Y> despise and loathe and hate Rupert Murdoch and everything he stands for and how he does business.

Say you (AD) want to helm a new topic about the cartoon series 'Family Guy', because you are interested in animation, love the humour and it's boundary pushing.

How would you (AD) feel if for every post you (AD) or anyone else interested in animation or humour in 21st century cartoons posted in your topic called 'Family Guy' , I (S08) then posted reams of stuff about Rupert Murdoch, what a douchebag I think he is etc. to the point every thread about 'Family Guy' turns into an arguement about Rupert Murdoch?

This strikes me as a truly odd comparison- at best...

Not that I didnt appreciate the info about Kollerstrom. BPH correctly informed me, that the info was "just a google" away. What he doesnt appreciate is that in the third world, where I reside, that simple google click can sometimes take about 5 minutes to load. Posting stuff here can be even worse. Just thought I better get that out there, lest anyone thinks my editing of posts is slippery, and that Im subsequently trying to be evasive

That also is an odd response- you are a prolific poster. Do you really expect us to believe that the Internet is so hard for you to access?

Well it happens to be the truth, believe it or not. I really dont care. I should add that on some days its a lot worse than others.

Meanwhile

Does a historical truth need a law to defend it?

What is money?

I really think youre punching beyond your weight on this forum AD.

Since you apparently style yourself as an intellectual heavyweight, please bring your mental prowess to bear on the meaning of this for our board:

This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust.


...Posts advocating violence, or espousing hatred of a people based upon race, religion, gender or sexuality, are not permitted.

[seemslikeadream]

Stop posting those rules over and over and over again...like we are violating the rules here...WE ARE NOT ....STOP IT


If we were we would be banned so

STOP YOUR CENSORSHIP TACTICS

[Wombaticus Rex]

AD, stop posting that shit, please.

You're deflecting thought from your direct responsibility for lowering the level of discourse in this and many other threads. Stop doing it.

[American Dream]

Stop posting those rules over and over and over again...like we are violating the rules here...WE ARE NOT ....STOP IT


If we were we would be banned so

STOP YOUR CENSORSHIP TACTICS

Personally, I don't think there are any big concerns about banning 99.99% of the people here but I do think there are some issues about better respecting Jeff's guidelines...

[seemslikeadream]

don't accuse me of violating Jeff's guidelines ....STOP IT

[American Dream]

What I said was, "I do think there are some issues about better respecting Jeff's guidelines..."

[seemslikeadream]

and I ALWAYS respect Jeff's guidelines ...don't you dare accuse me of that!

[American Dream]

I don't think it's necessary- or helpful- to nudge into the gray areas abutting the limits of Jeff's guidelines.

Do you?

[seemslikeadream]

I don't think it's necessary- or helpful- to nudge into the gray areas abutting the limits of Jeff's guidelines.

Do you?

AND I DON'T DO THAT EITHER....STOP ACCUSING ME OF SHIT....JUST STOP IT! STOP IT NOW!

[American Dream]

I don't think it's necessary- or helpful- to nudge into the gray areas abutting the limits of Jeff's guidelines.

Do you?

AND I DON'T DO THAT EITHER....STOP ACCUSING ME OF SHIT....JUST STOP IT! STOP IT NOW!

Obviously, we have a difference of opinion.

I'm giving it a rest, now...

[Searcher08]

In terms of a purely subjective report (NB which is ***NOT*** about content, but about production values) I have been surprised at the quality of some of the programs I have glimpsed. Jenna Marbles has made clearer, higher video and audio quality recordings on a Mac in her kitchen.

I think the chances of the Intel services letting something like this happen without throwing a spanner in the works would have been zero - and I believe the side has been DDOSED like fuck, the AutoCue (which is apparently a huge part of any news operation, not just for newsreaders) was shut down by the providers etc etc.

Compare / Contrast
I think one of the things about what I have seen is that some of the very laudible content is going to be buried within some of the poor production values...

I watched the BBC News last night and my intuition was I was watching something like a 'reality by committee' - describing it as propaganda really doesnt begin to cover it, and the model of 'Them' controlling its output I think is actually a bit of a cop-out.
It was much worse than that.
The reporters, the graphics, the editorial process seemed to have emerged from people who are in a self-reinforcing (consensual) hallucination. It was an odd feeling - like I was watching psychiatric patients performing a play called 'BBC Broadcast News'.
One of them gave an expression as if they were about to do a 'Network' style rant but didnt.

TPV
So watching Ritchie Allen - my thoughts stayed with the content for about five seconds before thinking..
"FFS change that awful bloody background.
And get a proper shave...
And wear a fucking jacket and tie...
And get a make-up artist!!!!"

Because as anyone from the Advertising industry could tell you, if you are going to be discussing / pitching radically different ideas to more ideationally conservative people, you need to look sharp, be as serious as fuck and maintain a low affect and high enthusiasm.



Another issue I have with it is... attention spans.

We live in the world of Instagram, where atomised parts of reality are being captured and shared instantly and globally. I posted an Ig pic last night and woke up to comments from Brazil, Dubai, Florida, Canada.

Incessant talking / interviews seems to be a really dated format - watching an interview with a really ill-looking and sounding Norman Finklestein, I realised that perhaps some people are better suited to the print medium, some to radio, some perhaps to making movies. The production values of the five minutes of James Corbett's 9/11 video matched the Instagram generation perfectly: a huge attitude, sarcasm in abundance, thought provoking, shareable on Facebook

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my surprise) Icke himself.

Icke talking really calmly and factually about Deep State issues and taking apart the British newspapers and media in leaving out questions about MI5 regarding very odd mind control-esque issues with the murderers of Lee Rigby.
Seriously, it was like having 8bit or Peter Dale Scott. It was awesome.

[Searcher08]

In terms of a purely subjective report (NB which is ***NOT*** about content, but about production values) I have been surprised at the quality of some of the programs I have glimpsed. Jenna Marbles has made clearer, higher video and audio quality recordings on a Mac in her kitchen.

I think the chances of the Intel services letting something like this happen without throwing a spanner in the works would have been zero - and I believe the side has been DDOSED like fuck, the AutoCue (which is apparently a huge part of any news operation, not just for newsreaders) was shut down by the providers etc etc.

Compare / Contrast
I think one of the things about what I have seen is that some of the very laudible content is going to be buried within some of the poor production values...

I watched the BBC News last night and my intuition was I was watching something like a 'reality by committee' - describing it as propaganda really doesnt begin to cover it, and the model of 'Them' controlling its output I think is actually a bit of a cop-out.
It was much worse than that.
The reporters, the graphics, the editorial process seemed to have emerged from people who are in a self-reinforcing (consensual) hallucination. It was an odd feeling - like I was watching psychiatric patients performing a play called 'BBC Broadcast News'.
One of them gave an expression as if they were about to do a 'Network' style rant but didnt.

TPV
So watching Ritchie Allen - my thoughts stayed with the content for about five seconds before thinking..
"FFS change that awful bloody background.
And get a proper shave...
And wear a fucking jacket and tie...
And get a make-up artist!!!!"

Because as anyone from the Advertising industry could tell you, if you are going to be discussing / pitching radically different ideas to more ideationally conservative people, you need to look sharp, be as serious as fuck and maintain a low affect and high enthusiasm.



Another issue I have with it is... attention spans.

We live in the world of Instagram, where atomised parts of reality are being captured and shared instantly and globally. I posted an Ig pic last night and woke up to comments from Brazil, Dubai, Florida, Canada.

Incessant talking / interviews seems to be a really dated format - watching an interview with a really ill-looking and sounding Norman Finklestein, I realised that perhaps some people are better suited to the print medium, some to radio, some perhaps to making movies. The production values of the five minutes of James Corbett's 9/11 video matched the Instagram generation perfectly: a huge attitude, sarcasm in abundance, thought provoking, shareable on Facebook

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my surprise) Icke himself.

Icke talking really calmly and factually about Deep State issues and taking apart the British newspapers and media in leaving out questions about MI5 regarding very odd mind control-esque issues with the murderers of Lee Rigby.
Seriously, it was like having 8bit or Peter Dale Scott. It was awesome.

[American Dream]

Two quick thoughts:

Is the choice really between the BBC and the "David Icke News"? Because I'll choose "neither".

Secondly, likening David Icke to Peter Dale Scott verges on the Orwellian, as far as I am concerned.

[Searcher08]

Two quick thoughts:

Is the choice really between the BBC and the "David Icke News"? Because I'll choose "neither".

Secondly, likening David Icke to Peter Dale Scott verges on the Orwellian, as far as I am concerned.

Hmm, first
it sounds to me that you are not interested in media, from that reply as that had no connection to what I was talking about, which critiqued aspects of them both

and second, given (I can assert) that you have not watched (nor will ever watch) the segment I was referring to ( a review of the UK media response to the Lee Rigby case and what was left out), then I cant see what objective basis to call that 'Orwellian' other than you already thought Icke = Always Everywhere Very Bad, Scott = Always Everywhere Very Good
S08 says (Good = Bad) => Orwellian

which is just confirmation bias.

[American Dream]

Two quick thoughts:

Is the choice really between the BBC and the "David Icke News"? Because I'll choose "neither".

Secondly, likening David Icke to Peter Dale Scott verges on the Orwellian, as far as I am concerned.

Hmm, first
it sounds to me that you are not interested in media, from that reply as that had no connection to what I was talking about, which critiqued aspects of them both

and second, given (I can assert) that you have not watched (nor will ever watch) the segment I was referring to ( a review of the UK media response to the Lee Rigby case and what was left out), then I cant see what objective basis to call that 'Orwellian' other than you already thought Icke = Always Everywhere Very Bad, Scott = Always Everywhere Very Good
S08 says (Good = Bad) => Orwellian

which is just confirmation bias.

It is true that I read your post quickly and not very carefully, due to extraneous factors. Here's two quotes that stood out to me:

I watched the BBC News last night and my intuition was I was watching something like a 'reality by committee' - describing it as propaganda really doesnt begin to cover it, and the model of 'Them' controlling its output I think is actually a bit of a cop-out.
It was much worse than that.
The reporters, the graphics, the editorial process seemed to have emerged from people who are in a self-reinforcing (consensual) hallucination. It was an odd feeling - like I was watching psychiatric patients performing a play called 'BBC Broadcast News'.
One of them gave an expression as if they were about to do a 'Network' style rant but didnt.

Icke talking really calmly and factually about Deep State issues and taking apart the British newspapers and media in leaving out questions about MI5 regarding very odd mind control-esque issues with the murderers of Lee Rigby.
Seriously, it was like having 8bit or Peter Dale Scott. It was awesome.

So I did take it as positing a rather stark contrast.

As to Peter Dale Scott occupying a Superhero role in my universe- I have no beefs whatsoever with his research methodology- his method is truly rigorous to me. As to his worldview, I do have some differences- his politics may be more liberal than mine (in the Political Science sense of that word), and I also think his conspiracy research is of a limited scope, but within that realm, I do think he rocks.