uk, pedo death cult or weird custody case?

[Luther Blissett]

Wow, staggering work on this thread. I dropped off when it got chafing but this quite something.

[guruilla]

- it implies that, if she telling the truth on this point (the reason for the children originally being taken into custody?),
- the abuse at the school IS happening....or those determining whether the children should go into custody believe the abuse is happening.

That was how I understood it, but I didn't understand it because it implies that people in positions of power are willing to protect children from known abuse enough to take two of them into custody, but not enough to go on record about it to help protect other children who must surely be in the exact same jeopardy.. .?

[Bryter]

This is interesting, it's a response from the Independent Police Complaints Commission to the mother. Looks like someone thinks there are still some serious questions left unanswered.

Found at https://dearmandoeshampstead.wordpress.com/:

[divideandconquer]

- it implies that, if she telling the truth on this point (the reason for the children originally being taken into custody?),
- the abuse at the school IS happening....or those determining whether the children should go into custody believe the abuse is happening.

That was how I understood it, but I didn't understand it because it implies that people in positions of power are willing to protect children from known abuse enough to take two of them into custody, but not enough to go on record about it to help protect other children who must surely be in the exact same jeopardy.. .?

Exactly. It seems the police serve to protect the powerful, not the children.

I believe this part is stated in the beginning of the second video. You'll hear the interviewer ask, "really?..really?" Maybe I missed something but that's what I heard.

[divideandconquer]

Below is Ed Opperman's somewhat disjointed, rambling Christmas day commentary on the interview he did with Ella and Abraham. He claims this interview was the most draining interview he ever did from booking it to interviewing these difficult people to the backlash. Before the interview even aired it was stolen.

Opperman claimed he read the "sketchy as hell" judge's order and it was filled with anomalies and contradictions. Although the judge accepted the fact that the children were abused, she totally sided against the mother without investigating the father at all and even questioned the credibility of the doctor. Opperman said he's sort of sympathetic to the mother, however he doesn't understand why she left the country, why there is no litigation to get the kids back, and why she and her boyfriend ostracize their supporters and/or intentionally sabotage themselves. He suspects that the boyfriend might be inserted to screw everything up.

As I've stated before I think both the mother and boyfriend are playing a role in this travesty because they've made it clear they don't care about the children. However, one of the reasons I rule out the mother and boyfriend as sole perpetrators is the establishment/court's obvious effort in trying to cover up/obscure certain aspects of this case. This only occurs when they're trying to protect significant somebodies, not two idiot nobodies.

[guruilla]

Opperman said he's sort of sympathetic to the mother, however he doesn't understand why she left the country, why there is no litigation to get the kids back, and why she and her boyfriend ostracize their supporters and/or intentionally sabotage themselves. He suspects that the boyfriend might be inserted to screw everything up.

As I've stated before I think both the mother and boyfriend are playing a role in this travesty because they've made it clear they don't care about the children. However, one of the reasons I rule out the mother and boyfriend as sole perpetrators is the establishment/court's obvious effort in trying to cover up/obscure certain aspects of this case. This only occurs when they're trying to protect significant somebodies, not two idiot nobodies.

I agree. There is something about Ella & Abraham that's just so off-putting that it's been easy for people to put all the blame on them & ignore all the evidence of high-level foul play. Maybe we've been so conditioned by Hollywood narratives to expect a clear demarcation of guilt & sympathy that we turn away if we aren't walked through it. No one wants to have to deal with the high levels of ambiguity which attend cases of this sort... Easier just to blame the most obviously unlikable players. Maybe it's also because Ella & Abraham don't act enough like we require victims to act? Unlike Dearman, who has his act down pat.

[Jerky]

Wow.

With all the ACTUAL revelations about this case and those behind it to come out in recent months, I can't believe there are still some dead-enders hanging on for dear life on the once somewhat reputable and reasonable Rigorous Intuition board.

Willful ignorance on this scale, and at this level of tenacity, is a damned disturbing thing to witness with your own two eyes.

J

[Bryter]

Wow.

With all the ACTUAL revelations about this case and those behind it to come out in recent months, I can't believe there are still some dead-enders hanging on for dear life on the once somewhat reputable and reasonable Rigorous Intuition board.

Willful ignorance on this scale, and at this level of tenacity, is a damned disturbing thing to witness with your own two eyes.

J

How can a willingness to investigate a subject be construed as willful ignorance? Read the response from the IPCC a few posts up. They categorically state that the investigation was insufficient. Or are they just "dead-enders" too as you say?

In any case, what are the ACTUAL revelations you speak of? Please share, without being snarky and insulting.

[divideandconquer]

The discussion below is very interesting. Ed Opperman discusses this case with David Shurter who seems to have insight into what's going on here. Shurter claims there is a big difference between Luciferianism and Satanism. Satanism is a social movement created to defy religion in general whereas Luciferianism is the real deal. Who knows?

But...

According to Shurter, Hampstead is being set up as the UK's version of McMartin because they are getting ready to use this bizarre case to dismiss 20 plus cases that have come out in the UK. Just as McMartin was not the only daycare accused of ritually abusing children (along with thousands of parents all over the US claiming their kids were ritually abused in preschools and daycares), but was used to dismiss the other seven daycares that were also involved, Hampstead will be used in the same way to dismiss the current claims of ritual abuse.

Moreover, he claims the royal family is trying to get laws passed that will protect them from any allegations that might come out against them and the DSM is categorizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation rather than mental illness. Don't know if that's true. Opperman pointed out that the Oliver Stone produced movie (?) starring James Woods was written and directed by two of the members of the False Memory Foundation.

[Wombaticus Rex]

"Indictment," yeah. Back when HBO was operating on a CBS level of quality, for sure. Recently watched that in preparation for the forthcoming "Regression," which I anticipate will essentially be a better photographed re-make. Also produced by Israeli psyops agent Abby Mann, who created Official Story Television Events for the Nuremberg Trials and the Atlanta Child Murders, both surely resonant RI themes unto themselves. One is reminded of Haim Saban's formula - "make donations to political parties, establish think tanks, and control media outlets."

Anyways, the movie was written by Abby Mann and his wife Myrna. That's bullshit, of course, he's the kind of producer who just puts his name on spec work, so we'll never know who actually had to excrete that screenplay. I've seen allegations that both of the Manns were involved with the McMartin trial, but never anything connecting them to the FMSF.

[guruilla]

Moreover, he claims the royal family is trying to get laws passed that will protect them from any allegations that might come out against them and the DSM is categorizing pedophilia as a sexual orientation rather than mental illness. Don't know if that's true.

Haven't heard about the first claim, sounds plausible. The DSM changes were already operational in 2013, at least the first phase.

Not All Pedophiles Have Mental Disorder, American Psychiatric Association Says In New DSM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 84878.html

[lunarmoth]

Opperman pointed out that the Oliver Stone produced movie (?) starring James Woods was written and directed by two of the members of the False Memory Foundation.

The HBO movie on the McMartin case (which I saw a couple of years ago) also presented former Los Angeles District Attorney Ira Reiner (the same judge who threw the case out of court on the eve of new evidence surfacing in support of the children allegations) playing himself. This film was clumsy propaganda and painful to watch, with every scene written to coerce viewers into siding with the poor McMartins.

I forgot Oliver Stone produced it. I think this says a lot about what it takes to survive in Hollywood.

[guruilla]

Don't have time to check this yet, just putting it out there:

White House-promoted, Clinton-linked nonprofit Music Changing Lives recruits 'at-risk' kids into music industry, runs Haiti orphanages. Incidental Hampstead alleged 'satanic abuse' case connection (v/pizzagate)
submitted 3 hours ago by oilymirror

A company called Music Changing Lives, run by a Josiah Bruny in Moreno Valley, California, purportedly aims to help low-income youth in underserved communities through educating 'at-risk', drugs-and-violence kids (i.e., possibly from crime scenes) in music production.

According to their website:

'MCL began in 1998 when CEO and Founder, Josiah Bruny, created a studio in his own home in Moreno Valley, CA where he could teach young musicians how to record and own the copyright for their own music. After working for some of the greatest stars in the music industry like Master P, Ice Cube and learning the “ins and outs” of the business.

Bruny was determined to open the way for the independent artists within our communities. He taught youth who were at-risk of dropping out of school, gang violence, drugs, and crime how to record and copyright their own music, and offered those students pathways to entrepreneurial success.'

http://www.musicchanginglives.org/about/

Music Changing Lives won the George H. W. Bush Daily Points of Light award in 2012. They also either ran or are still running orphanages in Haiti and have been promoted by the White House in that capacity.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02 ... ds-service

Here is a tweet by a man called Jeff Horseman that links Bruny to Hillary Clinton: "Just spoke with Josiah Bruny, one of the people who will meet with @HillaryClinton in Perris tonight."

https://twitter.com/JeffHorseman/status ... 0304437248

Apparently, Ricky Dearman, the father who was accused in the Hampstead alleged satanic abuse controversy, has worked for Bruny making promotional videos for his Haiti orphanage enterprises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf1g49FkeV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZSnFmbWScg

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1435605

[tron]

i still dont know what to make of this, or any of it, maybe its true the devil runs this show, the world is a forbidden experiment somehow, it makes loads of sense sometimes but no sense at the same time, always shifting like sand.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Citizens of first world nations are conditioned to accept child poverty, war atrocities, and refugees from third world nations, etc., because they're led to believe that they are the "good guys", that on some level, people in these terrible circumstances, whether they reside in their own nation or third-world nations, somehow deserve their plight.

They're--we're-- led to believe that our nations are pouring our hard-earned dollars/euros/pounds into rescuing/helping, so there must be something wrong with people who can't pull themselves out of their horrible circumstances. This is especially true of “pull ourselves up by our bootstrap” Americans who have no tolerance for people who can't, well, pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, particularly when its their hard-earned dollars supposedly given in assistance. In other words, American, British, Germans, etc., are "fine with it" because they truly believe they're leaders are, if anything, providing too much assistance. What's wrong with these people??

It's this myth that keeps people from caring. It's this myth that keeps people from believing that wealthy and powerful men and women, not only don't give a fuck about the less fortunate, but prevents them from believing that their pedestaled powerful and wealthy class deliberately create these horrendous conditions and then exploit its most vulnerable and innocent victims for their most evil personal use and profit,

The bottom line is that we are so conditioned into equating power and wealth--especially white power and wealth-- with a certain level of virtue that stories like these just can't be true. Only the low-class, marginalized, and on occasion, the obviously insane individual is capable of despicable and evil acts such as this.

I'm dredging thru this old thread and this is a gem of wisdom.

There are actually studies starting to show up that this is an actual psychological process.

Just world research has shown that observers derogate victims more for their misfortunes if the perpetrator is not harshly punished (Lerner in J Personal Soc Psychol 1(4):355–360, 1980). However, few studies have investigated minority group derogation as a just world preservation strategy after instances of intergroup harm-doing. This study is among the first to demonstrate the derogation of both individual victims and of the victim’s minority group experimentally, using the context of a racist hate crime in Australia. In the present experiment, participants (N = 110) read a news article describing a hate crime against an Aboriginal Australian teenager and were informed that the perpetrator was harshly or leniently punished (secure vs. justice threat condition). Our results show that in the justice threat condition, participants not only derogated the individual Aboriginal Australian victim more after his death, they also expressed greater racism toward the victim’s group. An indirect effect of the justice threat condition on modern racism via individual victim derogation was observed, along with moderating effects of individual differences in belief in a just world. These findings provide support for the alarming hypothesis that racist hate crimes are not only the manifestation of a racist society, but may also bolster racial prejudices if leniently treated. The results highlight the important role of political and judicial authorities, whose response or non-response to a hate crime can exacerbate or ameliorate existing prejudices.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _the_Group