Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

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Postby jakell » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:20 am

Sounder » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:05 pm wrote:There is an RT vid where Anissa Naouai interviews Iben Thranholm via the Saker blog that I cannot seem to link to, but that may be worth watching.

The upshot is that Iben Thranholm suggests that the males need to man up and protect women from other very disrespectful men.

A group of Russian-German men are said to have put an indiscriminate beat down on immigrants from the same camp that raped a Russian woman.

No one benefits when idealism shields one from seeing Reality.


Do you mean this?






It begins with a rather fluffy bit about miniskirted men, but the interview itself after that (0:40) is quite contrastingly hard hitting and direct.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:40 pm

backtoiam » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:49 am wrote:
VIDEO: Muslim Migrant Who BEAT, SPAT ON Mother with Children in Sweden is Being Deported to …… Denmark
Posted on January 26, 2016 by Pamela Geller

A couple of days ago, I ran video of a Muslim migrant in Sweden who beat and spit on a mother with her children. The video caused such an uproar, the now “Most Hated Man in Sweden” is being deported — to Denmark.

What is Denmark going to do with him? Why isn’t he being sent back to Tunisia?


http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/01/26 ... more-56326


Typical fear-mongering bullshit from fucking Pamela Geller (one of Anders Breivik's inspirations), based on the behavior of one asshole who's been there since long before the current crisis began. He came to Sweden from Norway in 2013.
He also claims he's Algerian, which is probably why they can't ship him to Tunisia.

Why do you keep posting this shit?
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Nordic » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:59 am

Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:18 am wrote:
Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:31 am wrote:I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.


A poster insinuated the same after the Paris attacks. This insinuates that this is all originating from the west. People from the East are capable of evil too. I hate to break it to you.


You totally missed my point and probably didn't read what I posted before about this, and throw a rather stupid straw man at me.

Your smug and condescending tone Is misplaced.

We were shown families with children, instead we got horny and angry young men. Lots of them. We ordered the fish dinner, paid for a fish dinner, and the waiter brought us tacos. We didn't get what we were sold.

Why is that? It's a pretty fucking big red flag. It was a bait and switch. And I'm not discriminating between "East" and "West". Obviously they often work together. You think Turkey was buying all the ISIS oil without the "West's" knowledge and blessing? You think Saudi Arabia is slaughtering people in Yemen without our approval? They sure are using our weapons.

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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:05 am

Sweden may expel up to 80,000 failed asylum-seekers

Eighty thousand ??

Had to do a double take on this because it's an enormous number, and this is supposed to be Sweden too, the big soft touch of Europe. Such a large number means they would actually become a source of refugees.

Going by the trouble that the UK has had expelling folks, I suspect this is not going to happen and even with the harshest attitude they would simply achieve a balance with those coming in. The lawyers will be rubbing their hands as they anticipate endless appeals procedures.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:07 pm

Online anti-refugee posts lead to offline visits by Dutch police

http://www.dw.com/en/online-anti-refugee-posts-lead-to-offline-visits-by-dutch-police/a-19005888

A Dutch police campaign trying to counteract online incitement aims to let users know they're walking a fine line. So are the police.


In rare instances, Dutch police are knocking on social media users' doors and asking them to be careful writing posts about refugees that could lead to real-life violence and, ultimately, to charges of online incitement.

One example is Mark Jongeneel, a small business owner in the small city of Sliedrecht who tweeted his reaction to asylum plans in his city:

"The college of Sliedrecht has a proposal to receive 250 refugees in the coming 2 years. What a bad plan! #letusresist"

Het college van #Sliedrecht komt met het voorstel om de komende 2 jaar 250 vluchtelingen op te vangen. Wat een slecht plan! #KominVerzet
— Mark Jongeneel (@mjhjongeneel) January 11, 2016

Hours later, his mother (with whom he lives) contacted him to say local police had visited her house and were now on their way to his office.

"I asked them what the problem was. And they said, 'Your tweets,'" Jongeneel told DW. "And they asked me to be careful about my Twitter behavior, because if there are riots, then I'm responsible."

'A meeting at the market'

Something similar occurred to Johan, from the town of Kaatsheuvel, who in a December Facebook post wrote:
"Just had a visit from the police with the friendly request not to call for a meeting at the market tomorrow or Monday."

That "meeting at the market" was Johan's call for a protest against the city's plans to house 1,200 refugees. He posted the call to Facebook.
Johan was not able to conduct an interview in English, but one of his close friends told DW the police visit occurred hours after Johan posted his call for a protest:

"There was a meeting in the council hall, an information evening, just for the people of our city. Johann wrote a message on Facebook - that we had to get together at the market square to have a protest, because, I will be very honest, we're not happy with the asylum seekers in our country."

Johan's friend, who asked to remain unnamed due to concerns of employer reprisal, said he knows of "seven or eight people" who were visited by police officers in Kaatsheuvel that day.

Proactive instead of reactive
Throughout the Netherlands, the police visits are part of campaign led by local authorities to address concerns related to social media at the communal level.

A spokesperson from the municipality of Loon op Zand, which governs Kaatsheuvel, told DW that police in her municipality only rarely pay personal visits to social media users. If they do, she says, the goal is to clarify that user's intentions and plans for real-world protests.

A police spokesperson from the Oost-Nederland region added that similar programs in his region are intended to be proactive rather than reactive: Local authorities let social media users know in advance that they're walking a fine line, and they also inform those users that they could face incitement charges if their calls for protests ultimately result in violence.
"It's not all sunshine on social media," he told DW.

These programs began in the Enschede municipality in eastern Netherlands, where authorities were concerned about numerous tweets expressing anti-refugee sentiment. These monitoring programs, though, are not high tech. Authorities do not follow hashtags, for example, or geolocate protesters' tweets.

Another spokesperson from the Brabant province, just south of the city of Sliedrecht (and Twitter user Mark Jongeneel), said authorities there tend to monitor anti-refugee protest pages on Facebook.

"It's an instrument that we don't use daily," the spokesman said, adding, however, that he thinks the program's effective. That said, it is a fine line between keeping the conversation clean and muzzling the ability to express one's opinions online.

Mark Jongeneel says the increased attention has not changed his behavior online - nor will it.
"Freedom of speech is very important, and I will not be silenced," he said.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:05 pm

Sounds like some pretty harmless and low-hanging fruit they are going after here, what about the real fascists?

Even though it's a different country, this does contrast with the Swedish police's claims to be stretched in these matters. Possibly the police are responding to complaints from the general public, especially the rather overzealous anti-fascist types who inhabit some of the sites AD pastes from. The recently posted one that did a hit job on Matt Parrot (among others) is the sort of thing I mean.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:25 pm

jakell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:05 am wrote:Sweden may expel up to 80,000 failed asylum-seekers

Eighty thousand ??

Had to do a double take on this because it's an enormous number, and this is supposed to be Sweden too, the big soft touch of Europe. Such a large number means they would actually become a source of refugees.


An astute & poignantly funny point.

The logistics of the proposal are interesting:

Anders Ygeman said charter aircraft would be used to deport the migrants but it would take several years.

....

Of the approximately 58,800 asylum cases processed in Sweden last year, 55% were accepted.

Of those facing expulsion, Mr Ygeman was quoted in Swedish media as saying: "We are talking about 60,000 people but the number could climb to 80,000."


Flying them back to their point of origin? Can anyone think of a precedent for something like that?
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:31 pm

The article also speaks of chartered planes, which is surprisingly specific detail.

Possibly the Swedes are not too good at media management and have swung from 'let 'em all come' to talk of deportation in a short space of time, whereas the Brits for instance have been carefully been circling the middle ground for some time
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:08 pm

Nordic » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:59 am wrote:
Occult Means Hidden » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:18 am wrote:
Nordic » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:31 am wrote:I think a grand bait-and-switch has occurred.

And that this is the opening couple of paragraphs of what will turn out to be a Gladio-like strategy.


A poster insinuated the same after the Paris attacks. This insinuates that this is all originating from the west. People from the East are capable of evil too. I hate to break it to you.


You totally missed my point and probably didn't read what I posted before about this, and throw a rather stupid straw man at me.

Your smug and condescending tone Is misplaced.

We were shown families with children, instead we got horny and angry young men. Lots of them. We ordered the fish dinner, paid for a fish dinner, and the waiter brought us tacos. We didn't get what we were sold.

Why is that? It's a pretty fucking big red flag. It was a bait and switch. And I'm not discriminating between "East" and "West". Obviously they often work together. You think Turkey was buying all the ISIS oil without the "West's" knowledge and blessing? You think Saudi Arabia is slaughtering people in Yemen without our approval? They sure are using our weapons.

The world isn't as simple as you seem to think.


Your aggression is misplaced and your assumptions are wild. I'm talking about insinuations here. You think Turkey and Saudi Arabia are not capable of independent action apart from the United States at all? You are insinuating so. Not a single bit of leeway in their own international affairs? Thereby it is all the "West's" fault, according to your analysis. I would love it if the world were simple! But alas, it certainly is not. As for your bait and switch, maybe the driver behind it was your and other's assumptions what a refugee would be and not that you and we were deceived.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby backtoiam » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:40 pm

I have to lean with nordic on this a little bit. We were sold women and children and are getting young angry men in big numbers. There are families but at this point it appears to be angry young males as the biggest part. What could go wrong?
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby jakell » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:58 pm

backtoiam » Thu Jan 28, 2016 9:40 pm wrote:I have to lean with nordic on this a little bit. We were sold women and children and are getting young angry men in big numbers. There are families but at this point it appears to be angry young males as the biggest part. What could go wrong?


I'm not sure that this analysis bears any fruit, this was never a transaction and no-one really had a choice. There will always be those who seek to put a soft sentimental slant on things and those who will look for realism, the media caters to both, but the former will always be the easier media.

For those who are inclined to take a closer look at things, the images and facts were always there, the desire to soften events is more likely to be our own failing. It's a failing too to blame the media for 'tricking' us.

This tendency can be seen again following the stabbing in the Swedish children's home. BBC News today announces that a number of 'unaccompanied children' will be allowed into the UK, this can be seen as fairly helpless youngsters, or energetic and independent youths that stretch the system's resources to breaking point. The facts are there, it's up to us to educate ourselves.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:25 pm

Jakell again is the voice of reason. Bravo! Not much room for deception here. Not everything is a grand conspiracy, either. I'm reminded of SLAD's recent thread positing a grand conspiracy by using immigration as a weapon. To wield the movement of autonomous individuals across several boarders and waterways for a malignant purpose would require complicity at each stage of those boarders crossed. That's a lot of coordination required from a variety of independent actors.
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:48 pm

Naomi Klein says:

We tell ourselves that perhaps migrants from conflict zones are dangerous to us—whether because they will steal our jobs or because they will blow us up. But really, we are part of a system doing the same thing—the same old thing—denying the full humanity of others and with that humanity their full human rights, refusing to share our wealth ill-gotten as it may be. This week, Canadians have been confronted with the unbearable truth that Alan Kurdi, the three-year-old boy whose tiny drowned body has become the tragic symbol of this moral crisis should by all rights be living safely in Vancouver right now. Instead, he, his brother and his mother all died off the Turkish coast. Alan’s aunt had been trying to sponsor members of her family to come as refugees, but the increasingly hostile bureaucratic process … failed her and failed her family. Desperate and with Canada unwelcoming, the family decided to trust their fates to that precarious plastic boat and those fake life jackets.

Klein explains that the refugee crisis, the austerity measures in Greece and “the degradation of the planetary system on which all of life depends” are all linked. “The same forces, the same logic, are behind all of these attacks on life” … it’s a “toxic ideology of market fundamentalism.”
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Re: Mass sexual assaults in Cologne

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:51 pm

"Strategic Engineered Migration as a Weapon of War"
Journal Article, Civil Wars, volume 10, issue 1, pages 6-21
March 2008
Author: Kelly M. Greenhill, Research Fellow, International Security Program
Belfer Center Programs or Projects: International Security; Intrastate Conflict Program

ABSTRACT
In recent years, it has been widely argued that a new and different armament — i.e., the refugee as weapon — has entered the world's arsenals. But just how new and different is this weapon? Can it only be used in wartime? And just how successful has been its exploitation? Using a combination of statistical data and case study analysis, this article tackles these questions and provides a detailed examination of the instrumental manipulation of population movements as political and military weapons of war. In addition to 'mapping the terrain' of the issue by providing a comprehensive typology of the most common means by — and desired ends for — which displaced persons have been used as political and military weapons since the end of the Cold War, the author also provides a portrait of the identities of the kinds of actors most likely to engage in this kind of exploitation. She also proposes an explanation for what motivates them to resort — and apparently increasingly so — to the use of this unconventional policy tool, despite the reputational and potential retributive costs of doing so.

Dr. Greenhill is also the author of Weapons of Mass Migration: Forced Displacement, Coercion, and Foreign Policy (Cornell University Press, 2010).
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