Friday night Pandemic Watch - Swine Flu coming to you?

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Postby lightningBugout » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:52 pm

I think it important to parse out the media/government responses from the clinician's response, to whatever degree possible. A "pandemic" is a legitimate phenomena as defined by the WHO criteria and they are simply naming it as it happens. Those criteria were established well in advance of this particular event. But also important to keep in mind that a pandemic is nothing more than that definition and that most of the cultural baggage we attach to it from film and scaremongering sensationalist news is not warranted.

To add to that, I find it very disturbing to see people post here that the whole thing is ridiculous or scaremongering. The possibility of a highly lethal pandemic occurring due to some unlucky mutations over the next few months may be much less than the pitchmen would have you believe, but it is a *real* possibility. In order to be effectively reactionary against the sensationalism, you can't fall into the trap of dismissing it all as nonsense. Must do both at once.
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Postby Hilda Martinez » Fri May 01, 2009 12:03 am

Pepsified Thinker, thank you for those references. I will put them in my arsenal when I need to defend Mexico (or Mexicans).

So, what have we heard about Mexico in the past few months? Since your Average Joe has no time for anything in-depth in the US, the media has broken Mexico down into these sound bytes:

1. A government on the verge of collapse
2. Violence, mayhem, lawlessness in the streets as an everyday occurrence everywhere due to drug cartels
3. The persistent "illegal" problem and its corolary, "border security"
4. The swine flu and the menace of "those people" spreading an epidemic to other parts of the "developed" world

Why all this? Why now? I guess these are common questions floated around here at RI.

I can only think that the US is planning something that will result in more control over Mexico. I know this sounds simple, but the simplest explanation is usually the best.

The thread here is specifically about swine flu and I have heard so many things from friends in Mexico City to family and friends on this side of the border, I have been tuning in to what the "common person" is thinking about this "pandemic." After all, if the results of whatever is going on are supposed to have some sort of psychological effect that will lead to some sort of reaction in everyone, we need to be paying attention to how the everyday person is reacting to this. As you know, these intended reactions can lead us to the reasons behind all of this hype.

Here in the US we are being shown that the situation in Mexico is dire. This situation is not that serious, plain and simple. The fact that the government has shut down means nothing. Strikes happen all of the time in Mexico, especially Mexico City. Yes, it's real people-driven democracy in action. Almost every time I have been in Mexico City, there has been a demonstration, sometimes involving thousands of people, which has shut down streets and government offices (the last time I was there I witnessed a teachers' strike in the main square - the Zocalo - and a teacher was even shot by the police). The bureucrats think nothing of shutting down offices and the like. The fact that the flu is causing this is no surprise. It's just an excuse to shut things down and go home.

Cultures may be different, but human behavior is pretty similar worldwide. When there is sickness, people tend to panic. The throngs of people we are seeing on the news who are seeking medical attention in Mexico are not all sick, at least not all sick with the swine flu. I suppose Americans are supposed to see this news footage and say, "Look, Billy, that crappy healthcare system down there can't even accommodate all of those poor, sick people."

The closing of religious institutions is only heightening the fear and confusion among the Mexican people. Even the Basilica of the Virgin of Guadalupe, the most important religious site in Mexico and one of the largest pilgrimage sites in the Catholic world, has been closed. This is sparking strange reactions from the people who feel that they cannot turn to their institutionalized religion for comfort. According to people I know down there, even during the most serious epidemics of the past, the churches have always been open. Why are the religious institutions being told to turn people away?

So, we have fear among the Mexicans (my friend Javier in DF told me 2 hours ago that this was all "the devil's work") and fear among the Americans. Fear leads to manipulation, as we all know. Why this is happening will probably be revealed in no short time. I hope it's not supposed to be a toxin to be mixed with the other issues I mentioned to give the US an excuse to get a tighter grip over our southern neighbor.

Like a good disease, I guess we have to wait it out to find the answers. :evil:
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri May 01, 2009 12:11 am

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Postby Nordic » Fri May 01, 2009 2:28 am

Now, the corporate media is equating the possible Smithfield Foods connection to a "conspiracy theory".

Swine flu source spawns wild theories




LONDON (Reuters) – Dead pigs in China, evil factory farms in Mexico and an Al Qaeda plot involving Mexican drug cartels are a few wild theories seeking to explain a deadly swine flu outbreak that has killed up to 176 people.


Yeah, ha ha those "evil" factory farms! What a joke! Only a total paranoid nutjob would think that a disease could come out of a festering swamp of pig shit!

From Rolling Stone:


mithfield Foods actually faces a more difficult task than transmogrifying the populations of America's thirty-two largest cities into edible packages of meat. Hogs produce three times more excrement than human beings do. The 500,000 pigs at a single Smithfield subsidiary in Utah generate more fecal matter each year than the 1.5 million inhabitants of Manhattan. The best estimates put Smithfield's total waste discharge at 26 million tons a year. That would fill four Yankee Stadiums. Even when divided among the many small pig production units that surround the company's slaughterhouses, that is not a containable amount.

- Rolling Stone


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And here, apparently, is what they do with dead pigs: stuff them into wells.

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The quote reads:

29 april 2009 - La Gloria, Mexico - Dead pigs lie in a state of decomposition in one of the wells that the company Granjas Carroll uses to put the remains of pigs. The waste emits a fetid odour. La Gloria, villlage in the southern Mexican state of Veracruz, where the new strain of swine flu was first detected. Local people have blamed the Flu on the pig waste which is spread into the air and water from nearby industrial pig farms, known as Granjas Carroll and owned by the Virginia-based multinational company Smithfield Foods. A Smithfield spokeswoman says the company has found no clinical signs or symptoms of the flu in its swine herd or its employees in Mexico.
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 01, 2009 8:09 am

The big theory in "conspiracy circles" is that this "swine flu" is just the first phase/puzzle, a "recombinate" that will lay low and then fully hit this winter or next year with devestating effect.

But for now, this current hype is all a hoax.
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Postby geogeo » Fri May 01, 2009 8:15 am

let's cut to the chase. 2006: Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador apparently wins the popular vote for president of Mexico, but election is stolen by Republican-linked vote-counters and etc. Massive protests, to no avail. US' no. 3 trading partner is it? Going to go Socialist? Think what that would mean to Smithfield and legions of conservative US companies whose actions over the last 150 years have kept Mexico in a state of underdevelopment, and a tiny elite in power.

Chavez is one thing, Lula's so-so, but one gets the idea that Mexico CANNOT be allowed to go socialist, as nationalization could rapidly occur (as in, El Peje's as radical as Evo, but considerably more experienced). I think this is a classic case of rolling-back-the-red-tide, a psy-op of massive proportions involving a country that already as a fully Hollywoodized, cartoon version of itself masquerading as the real thing in most USians minds. Think of this as the assassination of Mexico--serves many clients, but most of all, is good for American Industry, i.e. private investors.
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Postby Trifecta » Fri May 01, 2009 8:30 am

8bitagent wrote:The big theory in "conspiracy circles" is that this "swine flu" is just the first phase/puzzle, a "recombinate" that will lay low and then fully hit this winter or next year with devestating effect.

But for now, this current hype is all a hoax.


Or a stealth measure to get you vaccinated and probably chipped at the same time. :wink:
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Postby psynapz » Fri May 01, 2009 10:26 am

Trifecta wrote:Or a stealth measure to get you vaccinated and probably chipped at the same time. :wink:


You don't have to be an alpaca.

You wouldn't even know if they did, anymore.

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The one on the left is the giant outdated model, compared to the new ones on the right, viewed next to a human hair.

I'm sure they don't cause massive tumors like the VeriChip, though:

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Postby ninakat » Fri May 01, 2009 12:45 pm

Hilda Martinez, thank you for that reality check. I believe you are onto something regarding the U.S. having plans for more control over Mexico.
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Postby ninakat » Fri May 01, 2009 1:05 pm

FWIW, Ruppert is impressed with the W.H.O., and Michel Chossudovsky isn't so much. I'll go with Chossudovsky.

THE COMING PANDEMIC
by Michael C. Ruppert

April 29, 2009, 7:00 PM PDT -- It is pretty clear now that we're going for the full ride with swine flu. This is not like SARS (see FTW). It is bigger and much more ominous. There are good reasons to separate the ice cream from the bs right now -- the things that should be focused on from the things that distract, lead into blind alleys or induce panic. I had an epiphany today about why the W.H.O. and all governments are so concerned... It is not just the "unknown" nature of the bug but the fact that this is just more evidence that there are too many humans on this planet. It's so simple. With almost seven billion people, more of us are coming into contact with more of us... at a faster rate than ever; thanks to oil-powered transportation and population growth. It couldn't be more obvious. We're popcorn. We're also running out of energy, water, minerals, seafood and arable land... you name it.-- Now compound that with the fact that the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919 -- which killed between 20 and 40 million people -- was/is a variant of H1N1 Swine Flu and there's reason for one's ears to pick up. If it killed that many, that fast, in 1918 how many could it kill now and how fast with airplanes, cars, trucks and ships? And this epidemic/nascent pandemic is behaving more like Spanish flu that swine flu. It likes to kill young adults with healthy immune systems. Plus we have an H5N1 Avian flu genetic component thrown in. The W.H.O.'s reaction in escalating to a Level Five warning today was appropriate... and very welcome for me.

I was very impressed by by the statement of W.H.O.'s Director General Dr. Margaret Chan as she sounded the alarm. In part she said... "Above all, this is an opportunity for global solidarity as we look for responses and solutions that benefit all countries, all of humanity. After all, it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic." -- All of humanity is under threat anyway. We have known that for a while now. Are her sentiments not what we believe here in Peak Oil/Sustainability? I can promise you that this is what I call for at the end of "A Presidential Energy Policy": a true species-wide dialogue. -- This is what must happen if our species is to survive the dieoff... a dieoff which few can still argue can't possibly happen.

To be fair, I do not know if this Swine/Spanish flu is going to kill billions or not. We all hope not. But it would be maladaptive and dumb to just rule out the possibility wouldn't it?

Now I must choose my words very carefully. -- I also cannot ignore the brilliant work done by many at FTW into the very mysterious cluster of murders, suicides and accidental deaths of 14 world-class microbiologists in a very short period right after 9-11. All of them were working on viral disease projects which FTW firmly established were consistent with the pursuit of a gene-specific bioweapon (e.g. race-specific). Our stories were "picked up" by the The Toronto Star (although the editor had to write me an apology email for not citing FTW) and The New York Times wrote a 7,500-word monstrosity trying explain that all these dead scientists were really an accident. Perhaps the most famous of these bizarre deaths was that of Dr. Don Wiley in Memphis. Wiley was la creme de la creme of microbiologists and I have saved an academic abstract showing that he was specializing in swine flu and DNA recombination. Same with the very famous "suicide" (murder) of Dr. David Kelly in the UK that happened around the time the British government dug up victims of the 1918 Spanish flu to get the DNA so that an extinct disease could be brought back to life.

I must emphasize that all this proves nothing except for the fact that the current outbreak bears watching closely. Personally, I believe that it is our job to do everything possible to prove that there is no possible biowarfare involvement here; not to mention a gene-specific one. The fastest way to rule that out is to see Caucasians falling right along with people of color. No one has yet explained why the U.S. cases have resulted in only one fatality (a 23 month-old Mexican boy) although I have heard the question asked many times on the air. "How come no one's dying in America? They have Tamiflu in Mexico."

There's yet another distinct reason why this is catastrophic. I have been pretty clear that protectionism was both an inevitable and imminent stage of collapse. This outbreak has opened the door for a protectionist panic. If the pandemic takes center stage then all bets are off. Russia has already banned all American meat products. China is pondering similar restrictions. Forget the science... this kind of reaction (logical or otherwise) has been a part of human nature since we became human. Fear is the most-powerful control mechanism this unevolved species has ever discovered. NAFTA is dead, just like globalization. And my message to Americans who want to ban food imports from Mexico... be careful what you pray for.

There can be no jumping to conclusions and I caution against it. There are only some very very good questions. Having written and edited many stories on biowarfare and pandemics at FTW -- as well as putting a chapter on the subject in "Crossing the Rubicon" -- I can tell you that this is serious.

Dr. Chan was quite right. All of humanity is threatened... and so I add is all of the humanity inside us.

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Political Lies and Media Disinformation regarding the Swine Flu Pandemic
by Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, May 1, 2009

The World Health Organization (WHO) raised its pandemic alert level to Phase 5 on a 6 point scale.

The WHO's Phase 5 alert means "there is sustained human-to-human spread in at least two countries and that global outbreak of the disease is imminent... It also signals an increased effort to produce a vaccine... Human cases have been confirmed in Mexico, the United States, Canada, Britain, Israel, New Zealand and Spain." (emphasis added)

According to reports, the WHO took this decision after " a 23-month-old [child] died [from the swine flu] in Texas after travelling there from Mexico for medical treatment."

The swine flu was, according to reports, confirmed in 11 states in the US. Health officials at the WHO in Geneva and Washington are quoted as saying that the "spread of the virus is unlikely to stop".

The media has gone into full gear with little analysis and review of the evidence, focussing their attention on the more than 2400 cases of non-specific influenza in Mexico.

    "the global outbreak is imminent...

    all countries should activate preparedness plans",

    The worst health crisis facing the world in 90 years..."
On the day following the WHO's Phase 5 Pandemic Alert, a scientist attached to the European Union's Centre for Disease Control and Prevention hinted, without evidence, that the epidemic could potentially affect 40% to 50% of the EU population "in a mild way". (See europeanvoice.com, April 30, 2009).

Professor Neil Ferguson, a member of the World Health Organisation task force on swine flu, stated that "40 per cent of people in the UK could be infected within the next six months if the country was hit by a pandemic."

“We don’t really know what size epidemic we will get over the next couple of months... It is almost certain that, even if it does fade away in the next few weeks – which it might – we will get a seasonal epidemic in the autumn."

“We might expect up to 30 to 40 per cent of the population to become ill in the next six months if this truly turns into a pandemic. “We could get substantial numbers infected in the next few weeks but, if I was to be a betting man, I would say it would be slightly longer because we are moving into summer.” Prof. Ferguson said the 152 deaths in Mexico probably made up a relatively small proportion of the total number infected, which might run into tens or hundreds of thousands." (Daily Express, May 1, 2009)

The media reports are twisted. Realities are turned up side down. Policy statements are not backed by medical and scientific evidence. Professor Ferguson's statements are unfounded. He has not bothered to check the number of "laboratory confirmed" swine flu cases in Mexico.

30 to 40 % of the British populaiton? Up to 50 % of the population of the European Union?

On what basis are these statements being made?

On April 27, there was, according to reports, only one case of swine flu in the entire European Union: "Europe's first confirmed case of swine flu has been diagnosed in Spain. The country's health ministry confirmed the news on Monday morning, after tests on a man who had recently returned from a trip to Mexico." (BBC, April 27, 2009)

Weakening the Social Protest Movement

Statements of this nature on the "inevitable spread" of the disease, create, quite deliberately, an atmosphere of fear, insecurity and panic. They also serve to distract people's attention from a devastating global economic crisis which is leading the World into mass poverty and unemployment, not to mention the war in the Middle East and the broader issue of US-NATO war crimes.

The Real Global Crisis is marked by poverty, economic collapse, ethnic strife, death and destruction, the derogation of civil rights and the demise of State social programs. The EU announcement of the swine flu pandemic inevitably serves to weaken the social protest movement which has spread across Europe.

The emergency measures which have "closed down" entire urban areas, are widely perceived as a pretext of the Felipe Calderon government to curb mounting social dissent against one of the most corrupt administrations in Mexcican history. In Mexico, the May 1st Parade, which was directed against the Calderon government, was cancelled

The WHO's Balance Sheet

The WHO advisory points to 148 laboratory confirmed cases Worldwide of the swine influenza, including 8 deaths, barely a pandemia:

    "29 April 2009 -- The situation continues to evolve rapidly. As of 18:00 GMT, 29 April 2009, nine countries have officially reported 148 cases of swine influenza A/H1N1 infection. The United States Government has reported 91 laboratory confirmed human cases, with one death. Mexico has reported 26 confirmed human cases of infection including seven deaths.

    The following countries have reported laboratory confirmed cases with no deaths - Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the United Kingdom (5).

    Further information on the situation will be available on the WHO website on a regular basis." (WHO.org)
In a 29 April statement, the WHO Director-General, Dr Margaret Chan confirmed that

    "Based on assessment of all available information, and following several expert consultations, I have decided to raise the current level of influenza pandemic alert from phase 4 to phase 5.

    Influenza pandemics must be taken seriously precisely because of their capacity to spread rapidly to every country in the world.

    ... WHO will be tracking the pandemic at the epidemiological, clinical, and virological levels.

    ... I have reached out to donor countries, to UNITAID, to the GAVI Alliance, the World Bank and others to mobilize resources.
Bonanza for the Pharmaceutical Conglomerates

Big Pharma has been identified by the WHO as the solution to the crisis:

"I [the WHO Director-General] have reached out to companies manufacturing antiviral drugs to assess capacity and all options for ramping up production. I have also reached out to influenza vaccine manufacturers that can contribute to the production of a pandemic vaccine."

The swine flu pandemic constitutes a corporate bonanza for a handful of BioTech conglomerates. The European Union has already given the green light to work with Big Pharma to develop a vaccine against the swine flu.

Examination of the Evidence

The data used to justify a Worldwide level 5 alert is extremely scanty. The WHO states a "global outbreak of the disease is imminent". As documented by William Engdahl, the symptoms of swine flu are non specific, similar to those of flu in general. (See William Engdahl, Global Research, April 29, 2009).

Scientific opinion contradicts the WHO official statement:

    "Scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics.

    In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.

    Mounting preliminary evidence from genetics labs, epidemiology models and simple mathematics suggests that the worst-case scenarios are likely to be avoided in the current outbreak." (Los Angeles Times, April 30, 2009)
Mexico

Influenza is a common disease. There are millions of cases of influenza across America, on an annual basis. "According to the Canadian Medical Association Journal, the flu kills up to 2,500 Canadians and about 36,000 Americans annually. Worldwide, the number of deaths attributed to the flu each year is between 250,000 and 500,000" (Thomas Walkom, The Toronto Star, May 1, 2009)

Most of the reported influenza cases in Mexico do not exhibit the A/H1N1 strain.

From the press reports, most of the Mexican cases of swine flu were "suspected", they have not been confirmed by an advanced lab examination. The Mexican Minister of Health, José Ángel Córdova confirmed that there were "2498 serious cases of atypical pneumonia associated with a flu condition" ...[which] could be related to the A/H1N1 virus". Out of those 2498 cases of influenza, 159 died, of influenza or related ailments, but only seven of these deaths were related to the swine flu, according to the official statement of the Minister of Health.

The figures above are consistent with the overall pattern of influenza observed in Mexico in previous years. "In a normal year, between 6,500 and 7,500 Mexicans die from pneumonia-like diseases" (Ibid)

159 reported deaths "have been blamed on the outbreak" but the lab reports suggest that the swine flu was the cause of death only in seven out of 159 cases.

For instance, in the Veracruz town of La Gloria where there was an outbreak of acute respiratory infections, out of 450 cases, 35 were tested for the swine flu virus and only one came back positive.

No details were given as to the lab results pertaining to these seven cases.

Most of the press reports will quote 152 deaths from the H1N1 virus, when in fact only seven of these deaths are associated with the particular A/H1N1 strain, according to the Minister of Health. The other deaths may be associated with cases of ordinary flu and/or related conditions.

In the US only one lab in the entire country has the ability to confirm the identify of the virus, namely the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention located in Atlanta. How many labs are there in Mexico which have the ability to confirm the identify of the virus?

According to reports, samples are being sent to Mexico's National Institute of Epidemiological Diagnosis and Reference, which then forwards them to government labs in the US and Canada. What this suggests is that there is no lab based analysis which documents the relatively large number of suspected cases. According to the Minister's statements, the laboratory analysis pertaining to the 159 deaths is being conducted in Mexican labs with the support of the Atlanta based CDCP and that the results are forthcoming.

The US

In the US there have been 109 reported cases of the virus (April 30, 2009), of which only five were hospitalized. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control confirmed that a 23 month child in Texas had died from the swine flu virus, following hospitalisation and clinical examination.

Media Disinformation

News reports point to "hundreds of New York schoolchildren reported to have fallen sick with "suspected swine flu". There was, however, no evidence corroborated by lab examinations of the incidence of the swine flu H1N1 strain. In all likelihood, the children were suffering from the flu, which is part of a common occurrence during the month of April. "All the cases were mild, no child was hospitalized, no child was seriously ill,” Dr. Frieden said. Health officials reached their preliminary conclusion after conducting viral tests on nose or throat swabs from the eight students, which allowed them to eliminate other strains of flu."

Tests were conducted on school children in Queen's, but the tests were inconclusive: among theses "hundreds of school children", there were no reports of laboratory analysis leading to a positive identification of the influenza virus. In fact the reports are contradictory: according to the reports, the Atlanta based CDCP is the "only lab in the country that can positively confirm the new swine flu strain — which has been identified as H1N1." (NYT, April 25, 2009)

Influenza is a common disease. Unless there is a thorough lab examination, the identity if the virus cannot be established.

It is revealing that the Atlanta based CDCP is playing a key role in identifying the virus on behalf of several Latin American countries, including Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador and Costa Rica. On April 30th, the US government established a CDCP lab in Mexico. In other words, a US government agency is monopolising the conduct of laboratory testing, the data and analysis.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Fri May 01, 2009 1:59 pm

April 28, 2009 5:12 PM

DHS Sets Guidelines For Possible Swine Flu Quarantines

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The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has sent a memo to some health care providers noting procedures to be followed if the swine flu outbreak eventually makes quarantines necessary.

DHS Assistant Secretary Bridger McGaw circulated the swine flu memo, which was obtained by CBSNews.com, on Monday night. It says: "The Department of Justice has established legal federal authorities pertaining to the implementation of a quarantine and enforcement. Under approval from HHS, the Surgeon General has the authority to issue quarantines."

McGaw appears to have been referring to the section of federal law that allows the Surgeon General to detain and quarantine Americans "reasonably believed to be infected" with a communicable disease. A Centers for Disease Control official said on Tuesday that swine flu deaths in the U.S. are likely.

Federal quarantine authority is limited to diseases listed in presidential executive orders; President Bush added "novel" forms of influenza with the potential to create pandemics in Executive Order 13375. Anyone violating a quarantine order can be punished by a $250,000 fine and a one-year prison term.

A Homeland Security spokesman on Tuesday did not have an immediate response to followup questions about the memo, which said "DHS is consulting closely with the CDC to determine appropriate public health measures."

The memo from McGaw, who is DHS' acting assistant secretary for the private sector, also said: "U.S. Customs and Coast Guard Officers assist in the enforcement of quarantine orders. Other DOJ law enforcement agencies including the U.S. Marshals, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives may also enforce quarantines. Military personnel are not authorized to engage in enforcement."

Quarantines are hardly new: their history stretches at least as far back as the Bible, which describes a seven-day period of isolation that priests must impose when an infection is apparent. The word literally means a period of 40 days, which cities along the Mediterranean shipping routes imposed during the plague of the 15th century, a legal authority reflected in English law and echoed in U.S. law.

Congress enacted the first federal quarantine law in 1796, which handed federal officials the authority to assist states in combating the yellow fever epidemic. In response to the 1918 influenza epidemic, states levied quarantines and imposed mask laws – with the District of Columbia restricting residents to their homes and San Francisco adopting the slogan "Wear a Mask and Save Your Life! A Mask is 99% Proof Against Influenza." Public health authorities quarantined the entire campus of Syracuse University for two-and-a-half weeks in October of that year.

Until recently, the last involuntary quarantine in the United States was in 1963. Then, in 2007, Andrew Speaker, an Atlanta lawyer, was quarantined inside a hospital in Denver on suspicion of having extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis. It turned out that the CDC was incorrect and Speaker had a milder form of the disease.

The CDC's error is one example of how quarantines can raise civil liberties issues. If a suspected swine flu patient is confined to a hospital isolation ward for a week or two, who pays for the bills? What if private businesses find their buildings requisitioned in an emergency? Or if hospital employees charged with enforcing the quarantine fail to show up for work?

McGaw's memo on Monday also said that the federal plan to respond to pandemic influenza was "in effect."

The Bush administration released the National Strategy For Pandemic Influenza in November 2005; it envisioned closer coordination among federal agencies, the stockpiling and distribution of vaccines and anti-viral drugs, and, if necessary, government-imposed "quarantines" and "limitations on gatherings."


A Defense Department planning document summarizing the military's contingency plan says the Pentagon is prepared to assist in "quarantining groups of people in order to minimize the spread of disease during an influenza pandemic" and aiding in "efforts to restore and maintain order."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/28 ... 5598.shtml


Mass. Senate approves pandemic flu prep bill
By Associated Press

Tuesday, April 28, 2009 - Added 2d 21h ago


The Massachusetts Senate has unanimously passed a pandemic flu preparation bill that has languished in the Legislature before the recent swine flu outbreak.

The 36-0 vote today sends the measure to the House. Both branches have taken it up in past years, but have not been able to agree on the details.

The new Senate version would allow the public health commissioner — in a public health emergency — to close or evacuate buildings, enter private property for investigations, and quarantine individuals.

The measure also requires a registry for volunteers that would be activated in an emergency and establishes fines of up to $1,000 for not complying with local public health orders.

Sen. Richard Moore, chair of the Health Care Financing Committee, says the swine flu outbreak provides added impetus to pass the measure.

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foods for flu (or not)

Postby alwyn » Fri May 01, 2009 2:56 pm

Swine flu- what to eat, what NOT to eat!

Postby maria » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:23 am
I have been searching forever for this info- all that I have found so far is suggestions to wash your hands and sneeze into a tissue. The following article refers to the H5N1 bird flu, which ought to apply to the H5N1 bird/swine flu. If anyone has info on how it might not, or to confirm that it does, please post a response. Any info is appreciated!

Maria

http://www.the-health-gazette.com/healt ... antivirals

Natural Antivirals

Regular readers know that I have no time for the nonsense relating to imagined bird-flu pandemics. However. I regarded the following item of sufficient novelty to be of some interest. You may judge its merits for yourself.

Research suggests certain natural foods may be as effective against virus H5N1 as commercial antivirals.

(PRWEB) May 10, 2006 -- A Biology teacher from Australia, named Stephen Jones, has done extensive research into the H5N1 virus and compiled a list of natural foods that are effective against it and listed others that are detrimental.

The list may come as a surprise to many people since foods such as spirulina and echinacea are listed as detrimental. This strange occurrence is largely due to the fact that the virus is immune to 2 cytokines that the body produces (TNF-a and IL-6). Cytokines are compounds produced by the body’s immune system that attack and remove foreign bodies. The problem is that when a foreign body is immune to certain cytokines, the body sees that its immune response is not working and tries even harder, which can lead to what is called a cytokine storm, where the body becomes flooded with these compounds and they eventually destroy the body itself. Foods such as Echinacea actually stimulate the production of these specific cytokines; hence consuming it is not a good idea if one suspects they may have the virus.

During the 1918 Spanish Flu many healthy young people died from cytokine storms due to their immune systems overreacting. Consuming foods which suppress the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 and enhance the production of the ones that actually are effective against the virus will aid the patient greatly.

Other foods that create mucous in the respiratory tract, such as bananas, are also listed as detrimental due to the fact that the predominant breeding ground of the virus is the respiratory tract and another way in which a patient may suffer is due to the body's over production of mucous in this area.

Folk Medicines and Herbs to use and avoid with Bird Flu

Below is a list of foods that are said to contain substances that are natural antivirals, immune boosters or they decrease cytokines TNF-a and IL-6.

Alternative medications that are most likely to help us during a severe pandemic:

Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral. Best if fresh (raw) and crushed. Must be consumed within 1 hour of crushing. Dosage is initially 2 to 3 cloves per day but later reduce until no body odour occurs. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 9049657)

Vitamin C - Boosts the immune system and is an antiviral by blocking the enzyme neuraminadase. Viruses need neuraminadase to reproduce. There are anecdotal stories of people taking large amounts of Vitamin C (children ½) surviving the Spanish Flu. Research shows that it may reduce the production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. A study on 470 people involved giving the test group 1000 mg hourly for 6 hours and then 1000 mg 3 times daily after reporting flu symptoms. Symptoms decreased by 85%. (Pubmed PMID 10543583, 634178, 16169205, 12876306)

Green Tea (possible Tamiflu/Relenza alternative)- Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine (catechins) TNF-a. Inhibits neuraminidase. May have antiviral activity that is equal to other antivirals such as Tamiflu. (Pubmed PMID 16137775)

St Johns Wort (Hypericum) - Very effective antiviral. Also decreases the production of the cytokine IL-6. Hypericum is an extract from St John’s Wort. There have been some very successful field trials in commercial flocks infected with H5N1 in Vietnam. (Pubmed PMID 7857513, 11518071, 11362353, 7857513, 11518071)

Vitamin E - Immune booster. Also decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 155882360, 10929076) Experiments involved using mice. Very suitable for immune compromised people, especially the elderly. Effects enhanced when taken with Vitamin C.

Apple Juice - Antiviral. Fresh apple juice including the pulp and skin has greater antiviral activity than heated commercial apple juice. More research is needed. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 32832, 12452634)

Resveratrol - Antiviral. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, Resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. This is a proven antiviral found naturally in red wine, peanuts, mulberries, Japanese Knotwood root (richest source), raisins and red grapes. Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724)

Scuttellaria (Skullcap) - Antiviral. A herb used as a tea. It has no side effects and is also a mild tranquilliser. Research suggests neuraminidase, which is a substance needed by the H5N1 virus to reproduce, may be inhibited.

Cranberry Juice - Early research shows that it may be an antiviral, making viruses less able to invade or multiply. Effectiveness on H5N1 is unknown. (Pubmed PMID15781126)

Cat’s Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. Also boosts immune system. The number of white blood cells was significantly increased during treatment. No toxicity was noted. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... &DB=pubmed) Active constituents can be found in the leaves, bark, vine, and roots. Water extraction from bark used. Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells. (cancers, foetuses, growing children)

Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Decreases the production of the cytokine TNF-a. This is the yellow compound in turmeric spice. Research shows that this may be very good for preventing a cytokine storm although this is not proven. Must be taken with food or gastritis or peptic ulcers may occur. Pregnant women and feeding mothers should avoid this. The medicinal properties of curcurnin cannot be utilised when used alone due to rapid metabolism in the liver and intestinal wall. When combined with Piperine found in black pepper the absorption is increased with no adverse effects. Obtainable from health stores in tablets, liquid, capsules already combined with piperine. Dosage is 500mg to 4000mg daily.

Astragalus root (Astragali Radix) - Boosts immune system. (Pubmed PMID15588652)

Tea tree Steam Inhalation - Reduces the cytokine TNF-a. Add 2 drops of tea tree oil in a bowl of steaming water. Cover head with a towel and inhale for 5 to 10 minutes. Relieves congestion and fights infection. Its effectiveness is unknown. (Pubmed PMID 11131302)

There are notes that the smoking of Marijuana may decrease the cytokine response.

The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic

Elderberry juice (Sambucal) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916)

Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009)

Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928)

Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)

Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182)

Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.
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Postby lightningBugout » Fri May 01, 2009 3:20 pm

This is the first practical, potentially very helpful post I have seen on any site with regards to Flu prevention . Thanks.
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 01, 2009 4:17 pm

Trifecta wrote:
8bitagent wrote:The big theory in "conspiracy circles" is that this "swine flu" is just the first phase/puzzle, a "recombinate" that will lay low and then fully hit this winter or next year with devestating effect.

But for now, this current hype is all a hoax.


Or a stealth measure to get you vaccinated and probably chipped at the same time. :wink:


Perhaps. Im already hearing about Western hemisphere passports, foreign troops on US soil, FEMA camps, one world currency....basically, the "90's fringe conspiracy/patriot" talk...just this time with mainstream news articles and politicians saying it.

Oh and Obama says Swineflu is just an ordinary flu
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30471035/

Wait til the second half gets releases to combine, hello massive death plague! I kid...
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Postby Percival » Fri May 01, 2009 5:34 pm

Its all hyperbole, dont fall for it. They think we are guppies.
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