12 dead in Fort Hood shooting spree

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Postby Sounder » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:02 pm

Thanks for bringing this to us AD.

Lordy, lord, this sounds plausable.

So strong was the American Military and Intelligence establishments’ belief that only by “erasing” the previous “battle stained” memories of their Soldiers could they be made to continue killing and dying that in 2007 they contracted with Russia’s Psychotechnology Research Institute in Moscow to purchase a system called Semantic Stimuli Response Measurements Technology (SSRM Tek) which is a software-based mind reader that tests a subject’s involuntary response to subliminal messages and which was used by the Soviet Military on Russian troops being redeployed to Afghanistan.

Unfortunately for the Americans, and who were undoubtedly warned by their Russian counterparts about this, the previous Soviet experiments using SSRM Tek software combined with RHIC-EDOM technology had a very dangerous side-effect of “triggering immediate battle memories” instead of “erasing” them and resulting in masses of Russian troops who were undergoing these experiments to “erupt” in “immediate violence” which left an estimated 37 of them dead when they began (for no apparent reason) to begin firing upon each other.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:51 pm

Sorry, haven't read all the posts. D.C. Sniper: John Allen Muhammad, better known as the D.C. Sniper, is set to be executed tomorrow?
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Postby justdrew » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:06 pm

chiggerbit wrote:Sorry, haven't read all the posts. D.C. Sniper: John Allen Muhammad, better known as the D.C. Sniper, is set to be executed tomorrow?


if not tomorrow, any day now.

US top court denies sniper's bid to stay execution
AFP Published: Monday November 9, 2009

The US Supreme Court Monday denied a bid to stay Tuesday's execution of a sniper whose deadly shooting spree terrorized the US capital region in 2002.

"The application for stay of execution of sentence of death presented to the chief justice and by him referred to the court is denied," the ruling obtained by AFP said.

Attorneys for convicted murderer John Allen Muhammad had asked the nation's highest legal body to halt his November 10 execution to give the court more time to examine an appeal against his sentence.
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Postby Iroquois » Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:44 pm

Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops
CBS Exclusive: Sources Say Force Will Grow to 100,000 - Nearly Filling Gen. McChrystal's Request; Long-Term Stay Planned

By David Martin

(CBS) Tonight, after months of conferences with top advisors, President Obama has settled on a new strategy for Afghanistan. CBS News correspondent David Martin reports that the president will send a lot more troops and plans to keep a large force there, long term.

The president still has more meetings scheduled on Afghanistan, but informed sources tell CBS News he intends to give Gen. Stanley McChrystal most, if not all, the additional troops he is asking for.

McChrystal wanted 40,000 and the president has tentatively decided to send four combat brigades plus thousands more support troops. A senior officer says "that's close to what [McChrystal] asked for." All the president's military advisers have recommended sending more troops.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/ ... 2551.shtml


On edit. Sorry, repost. There is already a thread on this topic started by Jeff here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=25803
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:33 am

Nordic wrote:
The personal Web site for a radical American imam living in Yemen who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers praised Hasan as a hero.


Well there you go. That's all you need to KNOW that this guy is basically the 21st hijacker. As guilty as Osama Bin Hussein.

This is a little piece of 9/11 all over again.

MORE TROOPS! MORE WAR!


Every media outlet is making this Hasan-Awlaki link top headline news, mentioning Awlaki rubbing elbows with several of the 9/11 hijackers in San Diego and Falls Church VA.

Well...why doesn't the media report how it was Saudi government operatives bringing the hijackers over and housing them?(as the CIA was making sure the FBI was not aware of any of this)

Or how Awlaki helped some of the hijackers get housing next door to the bin Laden funded WAMY terror charity building in Falls Church?

Or how some of the hijackers were staying within eye sight of NSA headquarters?

By the media bringing up the Al Kifah/Care/Aifa Siddiqui angle with the recent Boston jihadi arrest, and this Anwar al-Awlaki connection...
it's opening up a WHOLE can of worms the powers that be would rather not let be known.

I find it curious the NBC show "The Wanted" was scrapped right after they show how officials are protecting Mohamed Atta and bin Laden associate Mamoun Darkazanli in Hamberg.
Hell authorities knew Yemenese college student Mohmar Abdullah
was working with the hijackers, and that the hijackers had people on the inside at the airports used...but alas, all attempts to investigate were squashed from high on up.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:49 am

something for comparison:
Man facing trial for Akihabara mass murders apologizes to victim

Tomohiro Kato, who is facing trial for killing seven people and leaving 10 injured in an attack on the streets of Akihabara in Tokyo in June last year, has written a letter of apology to one of his victims, it's been learned.

"However much I repent, however much I apologize will never be enough to make things right, and since my crime deserves death 10,000 times I think I will be sentenced to death," Kato wrote in a six-page letter to Hiroshi Yuasa, 55, who was wounded in the attack.

"I'm sure everyone's anger that my trial is dragging so slowly knows no bounds, and I decided that I had to apologize as a person. ... I have almost no memory of it at all, but I have absolutely no intention of running from what I've done."

He also said that the victims' pain "must be something like the uncontrollable anger I felt when my online self was killed on the forum I spent all my time on by trolls."

"From the way he wrote so politely, you wouldn't have thought someone like that could have done such a thing. I want to hear the whole story at the trial," said Yuasa.

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Postby Nordic » Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:02 am

They are cranking UP the whole "patriotism" thing right now, it's really alarming.

This shooting thing, with its bogus "links" to 9/11, Obama deciding to give Mad King McChrystal what he wants ........ It's getting really ugly.

I like American football, and tonight I decided to watch the game between Denver and Pittsburgh. It was like "Motherland TV" there for a while, with all this bullshit about "the troops, the troops" and a sky-diving moron with an enormous American flag trailing behind him parachuting into the stadium, then a slow motion shot of one of the players running joyfully across the field, giving an exaggerated military SALUTE to ... well I don't even know what to, he was kind of aiming it up into the sky .....

Then I saw a promo for an interview with the ex-girlfriend or wife of "the sniper" where they emphasized his rather Muslim-sounding name (I honestly don't remember him having a Muslim name back when he was originally captured), and more news about THAT guy ......

Sickening!
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Postby American Dream » Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:26 am

Author of Muslim Mafia, Endorsed By Rep. John Shadegg, Uses Fort Hood Tragedy to Rally "Backlash Against the Muslim Community"
By James King
New Times | Nov. 9 2009



The author of the book Muslim Mafia, which received a glowing endorsement from Arizona Congressman John Shadegg, is using the tragedy at Fort Hood, Texas, last week as a battle cry for a "backlash against the Muslim community and its leaders."

Hold on -- that's just the beginning.

In an interview with the group Family Security Matters, one of the book's authors, David Gaubatz, had some choice words for the Muslim community and its leaders.

"Now is the time for a professional and legal backlash against the Muslim community and their leaders. Muslims know what materials are being taught in their mosques, and they know many of the materials instruct young Muslims to kill innocent people who do not adhere to Sharia law. If Muslims do not want a backlash, then I would recommend a "house cleaning." Stack every Saudi, al Qaeda, Pakistani, Taliban, Hamas, and Muslim Brotherhood piece of material from their mosque and have a bonfire."

In the book, Gaubatz and co-author Paul Sperry claim that the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Muslim advocacy group, is conspiring to infiltrate the highest levels of American government via interns strategically placed within important government agencies.

As ridiculous as that may sound, you might remember that just last month, two Arizona congressmen apparently drank the Muslim Mafia Kool-Aid.

Congressmen John Shadegg and Trent Franks -- with the help of conservative pals Representative Sue Myrick, who actually wrote the forward for Muslim Mafia, and Representative Paul Brown, of Georgia -- called for an investigation into Muslim interns working in government agencies after claiming to find an "internal memo" cataloguing CAIR's plan.

Shockingly, Shadegg's office didn't return our call to see if the endorsement still stands.



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Postby American Dream » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:31 am

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.ph ... re/0017722

Posted Nov 9, 2009

Understanding the Fort Hood Massacre

by Richard Silverstein



The nation’s worst peacetime military massacre was perpetrated by a deeply troubled army psychiatrist and devout Muslim. The motives for the crime are a jumble of the personal, psychological, professional, religious and sectarian. As is rarely the case in these circumstances, much is grey, and little is black and white except the huge burden of suffering Maj. Nidal Hassan inflicted on the victims and their families.

Though Maj. Hassan’s family emigrated to the U.S. from Ramallah in the 1960s it does not appear, at least at first glance, that the Arab-Israeli conflict was one of his primary grievances. He had other things troubling him more. First, sharing the searing pain of his patients who were veterans of the Afghan and Iraq wars. Second, his own imminent deployment to the war zone and all the existential fears this must have invoked. Third, his escalating opposition to those two wars on the soil of Muslim nations. Fourth, his conviction that his religion was disrespected in the military ranks.

Let’s be clear. I’m not excusing or defending in any way Hassan’s killing spree. He certainly deserves punishment if found guilty after a fair trial. But I’m not one of those who believes that anything is gained by refusing to examine why things happen and what people think who do bad things. Only by exploring the dark recesses may we ameliorate conditions for the most troubled, so they don’t feel the need to explode and take their anguish out on the rest of us.

The N.Y. Times’ coverage of this incident earns high marks because it is not focussing only on the superficial facts of the case. The newspaper is delving deeply into root causes and mental health conditions among military personnel. For example, I had no idea there are only 400 psychiatrists for 500,000 active duty troops and that patients seeking help can wait as long as a year for an appointment with a psychiatrist. Also, these vastly overburdened professionals have no organized support system to help them with their own problems brought on by their responsibilities. They are left on their own when it comes to taking care of their own mental health.

Again, though I’m not excusing Hassan’s actions, I’m troubled that he felt trapped by his commitment to serve the army in return for its financing of his medical education. His family says (and I have no way of verifying whether this is true or not) that he tried to discuss this with the army and his requests to end his enlistment were turned down. I understand why the army might not readily wish to allow officers in whom they’ve invested a great deal of time, energy and money to leave the armed services. But by not providing a clearer path for those in Hassan’s circumstances, they led him to feel trapped.

At least part of Hassan’s motivations appear to be mixed up in a sense of religious rage against the Afghan and Iraq wars and America’s role in them. As he grew more and more devout, he appears to have adopted at least some of the rationale of Islamists critical of U.S. Middle East policy. There are many on the right who undoubtedly are attempting to link this crime with Al Qaeda. But it’s more complicated than that. This was a homegrown crime by an American Muslim. It was not a 9/11 act of terror perpetrated by Islamists schooled in Pakistani training camps. Nidal Hassan was born and raised here. His parents struggled and worked themselves up by their own bootstraps in the classic immigrant tradition of the American dream. Once Hassan lost his parents, he appears to have lost some of his bearings, which he attempted to replace by embracing devout Islam. Unfortunately, it led him to this dead end.

We should be clear that this is not the fault of Islam. It is the fault of a man who searched for answers in Islam and found rage and violence. It is the man who is imperfect and not the religion. The man chose violence not the religion. Those who wish to argue that Islam in particular is a religion of violence must also come to terms with the violence in most of the world’s major religions. Because Jewish settler terrorists commit mass murder against Palestinians and even their fellow Jews, do we say it is the Jewish religion that is at fault?

As Pres. Obama contemplates our future troop commitments to Afghanistan, I believe that this crime, no matter how inexcusable, is a warning sign of the price we and our soldiers are paying as a nation. It is too high a price. Afghanistan is a country steeped in corruption, malfeasance and unresolved ethnic and religious conflict. I don’t see our presence there as conducive to resolving any of that country’s festering decades-old problems. And for every Hassan, there are 50 other deeply wounded GIs who may not make us pay a similar price, but whose pain and suffering is no less. Do we really want to send more of our boys there and suffer the pain of the Hassans and his patients?

Thankfully, army commander Gen. George Casey has expressed concern for the impact that this act could have on the 2,000 Arab-Americans serving in the armed forces. He understands that not only do these Americans have the right to serve their country, but they can serve it in unique ways through their linguistic and cultural experiences as American Muslims. Criminalizing all for the crime of a deranged individual does our nation (and Muslims) a deep disservice.

This is precisely what is happening at Ft. Hood and elsewhere in certain cases. Mikey Weinstein, a retired officer and activist for religious freedom in the military, forwards this communication from the wife of an American Muslim serving in the military:

“…I wanted to let you know what life has been like for myself, being an American-Muslim military spouse, over the last few days here at (military installation withheld), since the Ft. Hood incident. When I first learned of this, I was sitting in the PX food court with my best friend whose immediate reaction was, “ No offense to you, but Muslims shouldn’t even be allowed in the U.S. Army”. Wow, this was from my best friend here! I have heard this and similar sentiments repeatedly from various “friends”, as well as people insisting it’s really a terror plot.

Since this happening, my Muslim husband, who is deployed to Afghanistan, has been put on duty to build a chapel on his base, as well as being told not to associate with the Afghan nationals that work there. I went shopping at the commissary and had people mumbling under their breath but loud enough to ensure that I could hear, things like, “get out of our country”, “go back to your country”, “ F-ing Muslims”, “G-Damn Muslims,” and several other expletives you can insert there. Now people don’t just stare at you when they see you go by wearing hijab, they glare. Last time I checked, I was born in this country, this is my country, and my husband is serving it and continues to serve it despite the harassment and racism he encounters. He proudly serves despite the fact that our family pays a higher price for it than many others.”



Please visit Richard Silverstein’s site Tikkun Olam at http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:43 am

There's a lot of very interesting and disturbing material in this thread (thanks AD and others), but this point of Jeff's really shouldn't get submerged:

Jeff wrote:
justdrew wrote:
[url=http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873]Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda
Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with Terrorists[/url]
By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS

Nov. 9, 2009 —

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.


Yet he was about to be deployed to Afghanistan?


(Large-type emphasis added.)

As things stand, with the little evidence currently available to us, I can only see one way this makes any sense at all: the guy was being groomed (in some manner and for some purpose) by US intelligence.

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Postby Crow » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:01 am

Nordic wrote:Then I saw a promo for an interview with the ex-girlfriend or wife of "the sniper" where they emphasized his rather Muslim-sounding name (I honestly don't remember him having a Muslim name back when he was originally captured), and more news about THAT guy ......
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Ex-wife, I think. And he has had the last name "Mohammed" since his conversion in the 1980s. But she has been trotted out recently to provide a motive for the killing spree. You see, he was after her all along but was just killing the other people so that when she was killed (which, obviously, she never was), it would look random.

(Usually matters like motive are settled during the trial, not shortly before the execution.)
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Postby Nordic » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:51 pm

The plot thickens. I'm starting to wonder if they can successfully keep a lid on this thing:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=12047
Hasan Known to U.S. Intelligence Agencies; Congressional Requests for Information Refused

November 10th, 2009
Via: ABC News:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan’s contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.
In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).

Hoekstra said he is “absolutely furious” that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan’s attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.
“This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies—not the CIA—have the lead,” CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC News. ” Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect.”


Sounds like Hoekstra needs a little talking to. How much you want to bet he completely changes his tune in the next 24 hours or so?
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:57 pm

ABC News wrote:
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.


Jeff wrote:Yet he was about to be deployed to Afghanistan?


The bizarreness continues. From the BBC, less than two hours ago:

US intelligence authorities have said they knew Maj Hasan had been in contact with a cleric sympathetic to al-Qaeda. An FBI-led task force monitoring the e-mail of Yemen-based Anwar al-Awlaki said he had communicated with Maj Hasan - a US-born Muslim and army psychiatrist - on 10 to 20 occasions.


"10 to 20 occasions"? Well, how many occasions, exactly? 10 occasions? 20 occasions? 14 1/2 occasions? Don't they know?

However, it was decided that further investigation was not needed, as the content of the messages did not advocate or threaten violence.


Well, I hate to say "WTF?!", but WTF?!

Meanwhile, the Senate Homeland Security Committee has confirmed it will hold an inquiry into the shootings.


How convenient. That "inquiry" will be headed by that tireless worker for peace, justice, integrity and open government, Sen. Joe Lieberman. No doubt he'll insist on knowing "the content of the messages" and then he'll share it immediately with the fungible mass otherwise known as the American people.

Maj Hasan is recovering from gunshot wounds at a military hospital and will be charged in a military court over the Fort Hood shootings - he has declined to be interviewed by investigators. .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8353248.stm


What on earth does that mean? How can the main suspect in a multiple homicide at a US Army base possibly decline "to be interviewed by investigators"? Since when has the FBI become so passive in the face of alleged Muslim assassins?

Jeff wrote: Yet he was about to be deployed to Afghanistan?


ABC video about Maj. Nadal Hussein- beyond belief, like everything else about this case.

(BTW, ABC say he was about to be deployed to Iraq, not Afghanistan.)
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Postby lightningBugout » Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:58 pm

This guy is the poster boy for more extensive Homeland Security. I mean, come now we lacked appropriate funding to ensure the Army and the intel agencies even knew what each other were doing....
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Postby beeline » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:02 pm

What on earth does that mean? How can the main suspect in a mutiple homicide possibly decline "to be interviewed by investigators"?


For a civilian, he would be invoking his 5th Amendment right to refuse self-incrimination. However, I am unsure of his rights as an active duty officer. Probably much different.
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