RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[nathan28]

Given the nature and quality of the best content at this junction, and the intersection with numerous agencies party to said content, I have a hard time accepting in my paranoid little mind that this is all merely the work of bored, avant garde situationalists.

There is nothing remotely avant garde about what these people are up to. I'd place a work such as TLS in the category of incomplete grad school hijinks circa 1989. And I can only imagine that a man like Guy Debord would have less than ten seconds to devote his interest to these so-called situationists. This is not art, it is bathroom wall scribbling.

Compared2what, I hope you'll be back after your rest and continue setting an example for us all of what the finer points of online discourse can look like. I know I'd be extremely disappointed if you felt you had to stay away after such a monumental effort to keep us all together.

Their quality sucks. They can't hit the fucking shift key. They can't afford hosting or domain names, though one of them may have ran a Lexis search on someone--but that's not fancy nor expensive, really, and was probably snuck in on someone else's dime, and by that, I mean a legit employer who billed a legit client in the course of normal business (no one notices an extra $50-$200 on a six-figure bill). They've gotten to the point that they're recycling material (oooh, Aleister Crowley, never heard that one before). They're not avant garde, they're not situationalists, but they do make ham-fisted attempts to ape that whole bit. There's a massive amount of inertia behind it. In an interview, when pressed, one of the proponents of "metafiction" simply couldn't articulate a reason, theory or goal behind it. From what I gather this isn't a "nerd fight" or government action or art--it's some kid scribbling in his notebook in class.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Take care, everyone. Be good.

I sincerely hope that I'm not reading to much into that. Because if it means what I think it means, not only have they been doing it right, this would be a significant win for them, the bad guys. And they've had too many wins around here lately, up to and including this thread. So I will try to do what I can to mitigate this.

It is extremely important to step back, and I mean way, way back and understand a bit of the history of the mindgames being played here. There has always been, and continues to be, an underlying continuity to the games and it lends itself directly to one of the reasons for the formation of the board to begin with. This in turn made all of this somewhat inevitable. I'm speaking of the MC/RA/UFO connections. It has been the common thread in all of this.

There is a small group of extremely intelligent, but unfortunately psychopathic, group of individuals perpetuating these games for years. It's possible they are survivors of there own MC involvement but that will probably remain a mystery. They target discussion boards dedicated to the discussion of MC/RA issues, oftentimes including it's tenuous relationship to Ufological issues. I believe they began back in the early days of Godlke Productions. I doubt that many here remember what it used to be, but it was a magnet for the craziest shit on the interwebs at the time. At one point, that board was overhauled , a lot of the bad characters (including those who are with us today in some form or another) were banned. The small group in questioned then simply rejoined using Proxy IP addresses and accounts and continued doing what they did best, simply fucking around. At that point, the jig was up at GLP and Whitley Striebers "Unknown Country" (UC) forum was targeted. What better group of people to fuck with than UFO Abductees. You'll see how this connection plays out with where we are today shortly. So the main players there were "One Smart Rat", and "Susano" (our member known as 11:11). Another member at UC was Patricia Davis (our LilyPatToo). It was at this point, around 2004 that she was targeted (it's usually a prolific advocate and/or well respected member of a forum that is specifically targeted) and so began her transformation from "Alien Abductee" to "MC Victim" (this is self admitted). She will also admit that it was One Smart Rat who was responsible for opening her eyes.

Most of this is documented at UC in the subforum "UFOs, Ufology and the Unexplained and the thread "When there are Witnesses to an Abduction". It started out as a discussion of exactly that and then was infiltrated by OSR and became the defacto "MC" discussion through the manipulations of OSR. The thread still stands six years later and there is most likely a reason for that. There was also involved a group of sock puppets, all created by OSR and her (his?) small group that continually expressed fascination and an appreciation for all that OSR had to offer. This is part of the pattern, which again, you will see shortly. They act very much like a "mentalist", teasing info out of people like Patricia Davis (an admitted MPD sufferer) and then later concocting leads and similar stories, explanations etc to lead the unsuspecting into the web of mindfuckery.

So at one point, as is always inevitable, they go over the top by design to create board drama. The drama will normally include a passionate defense of the perps by those they have led into there cause, again the MC/RA issue (it's always ultimately that issue) because that is simply the murkiest, most indefensible black hole one can find. It becomes about "Controllers" and "Agents" and turns honest members against one another. Not all of it is done in daylight. Much of it, the mindfuckery, occurs through PMs, e-mails, more false IDs etc etc. THIS IS THE PATTERN.

So, One Smart Rat was banned after months of infiltration, mindfuckery and then board explosion. At UC, it was based on a perceived death threat made by OSR or one of her many ID's. If you want the history of all this, you will simply have to read that "Witness" thread. What's important is the pattern. What's also important to note is that "Susano" (OSR or her familiar) was allowed to remain. And so the drama continued with impassioned pleas by her and those who had been sucked in, Patricia Davis for one, at how unfairly OSR had been treated, how her revelations re: MC had opened eyes, how she was simply misunderstood and a victim of MC herself and on and on. This continued throughout 2005 and into 2006 sporadically in that thread and even continues to this day (by design).

We are now into 2006 and it was in July that Patricia Davis found RI. Still a member at UC, she posted recommendations to RI, mainly due to the fact that we too discussed MC/RA and UFO's. This then put RI on the radar of OSR and crew. It must be understood that board infiltrations are done by these people over months, creating accounts with Proxy IPs and member names that are designed to be used by the crew. They are always used to be supportive of OSR when she shows up and oftentimes are considered members in good standing by the board in having provided useful links/support to MC/RA survivors already on the board that are unaware of the their true motives. Again, see the UC board and that specific thread for the definitive example of this. I hope everyone is still with me and at this point and I will shortly move on to RI/DE/TD business. This will include discussion of the posting of OSR's infamous "Alien Abduction and the Monarch Project" at RI in late November 2006 by Trifecta (then known as "Osculum Infamy"). This occurred just a few months after Patricia Davis (LilyPatToo) discovered and joined RI.

If there are serious questions regarding what I've already posted that will add to the clarity of it, I will answer them. I will not address anything not specific to what I have posted. If it can wait, let it wait.

C2W? - I have taken your advice to heart and am trying to be good. I, like many here, love you very much.

~C

[IanEye]

I've had it with you all. As far as I can see, you do not have a valid cause. Apart from which, on an on-again-off-again basis, your pretensions are profoundly offensive to me personally. Because, hello? I'm a politically serious intellectual who finds something close to godliness in transgressive art.

c2w, I admire your tenacity and diligence. This lameness just seems to crop up again and again. Thank you for standing up to it:


why can't you all stand up?
stand up! stand up!! stand up!!!
Fight for your rights.

I took a look around, because I knew there were times when I tried to grapple with this myself, and most of the time I just ended up feeling like a jerk. But that is part of growing up I guess, so here we go:

10-20-07
viewtopic.php?p=138330#138330
viewtopic.php?p=138359#138359

11-15-07
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 813#146813

11-29-07
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 111#150111

01-18-08
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 259#161259

03-28-08
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 791#175791

It is indeed ironic that a scene from the film 'Punch Drunk Love' would sum up how I feel, but "that's that."


i have so much strength in me, you have no idea.
i have a love in my life.
it makes me stronger than anything you can imagine.

I think there are mindfuckers out there who have no idea how strong you are.
I love that you stand up to them.

[nathan28]

Cowbell, thanks for that account and archives, I want to see the latter half too.

[Stephen Morgan]

Well, I'm still baffled. Although I've picked up the idea that this is probably a good, and common, thing. So, to get this straight, a group of about three individuals have been using sock puppets to disrupt the group, apparently aiming at some particular level of disruption this month, and they are ARGers. Still not entirely sure what one of those is, I'll have to look it up. Some sort of treasure hunt by the looks of it. And 8bitagent, who I had believed to be a popular and respected poster, was one of them or their sock puppets or something along those lines. And for several years now this has all been going on behind the scenes while the rest of us have mostly failed to notice.

And people say I'm paranoid for seeing shadowy cabals behind everything. Still, thanks would seem to be in order to the covert forces of light, although at this stage I'm still not entirely sure what for.

[sunny]

I like this thread, it needed to happen. Let the sun shine in!

But I think it's much worse than trolling. I think it's a deliberate effort to shut us down because there IS no place else on the internet to get the kind of information dissimenated here, all in one place, accompanied by so much thoughtful and useful commentary.

Maybe I'm too paranoid myself, but doesn't this all fit in with Obama's thoughtcrime dude that we have a thread about already?

Oh yes, and don't we think Bush was doing the same thing?

Not that there are not childish trolls about the place, acting out churlish personal vendetta's, but I would put such ones in the 'ignore' category unless you have just cause for legal action. A troll only has as much power as you give him/her/it.

I'm talking about literal agents here. Let's just say it: we know they're here and working hard for the money. Rules prevent us from calling them out so what do we do? I have no idea.

fwiw et: I am so sorry that horrible woman opened what must be a painful wound. I know you've butted heads with quite a few folks here but I just want to take a moment to let the whole board know that you have always been a wonderful, generous, and kind friend to me, even to the point of inviting me and my entire family into your home to ride out a hurricane and I will never forget your willingness to do that, nor what it said about you.

[Trifecta]

Correction CC Osculum Infame

[seemslikeadream]

I like this thread, it needed to happen. Let the sun shine in!

But I think it's much worse than trolling. I think it's a deliberate effort to shut us down because there IS no place else on the internet to get the kind of information dissimenated here, all in one place, accompanied by so much thoughtful and useful commentary.

Maybe I'm too paranoid myself, but doesn't this all fit in with Obama's thoughtcrime dude that we have a thread about already?

Oh yes, and don't we think Bush was doing the same thing?

Not that there are not childish trolls about the place, acting out churlish personal vendetta's, but I would put such ones in the 'ignore' category unless you have just cause for legal action. A troll only has as much power as you give him/her/it.

I'm talking about literal agents here. Let's just say it: we know they're here and working hard for the money. Rules prevent us from calling them out so what do we do? I have no idea.

fwiw et: I am so sorry that horrible woman opened what must be a painful wound. I know you've butted heads with quite a few folks here but I just want to take a moment to let the whole board know that you have always been a wonderful, generous, and kind friend to me, even to the point of inviting me and my entire family into your home to ride out a hurricane and I will never forget your willingness to do that, nor what it said about you.

oh my how could I have not seen it right away? Thanks sunny for posting

[Et in Arcadia ego]

It must be understood that board infiltrations are done by these people over months, creating accounts with Proxy IPs and member names that are designed to be used by the crew.

Cheers, CC. I have to credit you for my real-time crash course in OSR which unfolded not only during the first round of the Duncan saga, but while Socrates was repeatedly infiltrating the forum as well, so it was like a three=pronged attack I was working against.

One problem here: OSR and the techniques used are employed by at least one other serious(by that I mean committed to LONG term damage) group to the point where they almost completely overlap. OSR was here and showed her hand fast enough to let people paying attention know what she was/is about. There was a period where she was ranting for days on end in a sub-forum thread, and Jeff allowed her to remain and continue her activity. It gave a lot of insight into OSR, and provided a context to show others why she and her various incarnations are not allowed here.

These other guys I know from the chemtrail boards. The MO is nearly identical, and matched in willingness to prolong the attack. You do not know for a LONG time who's the Thing in your midst, and its nerve racking having knowledge that one is almost certainly in your midst, but who is it, who is it..?

So far, I have almost always been right about this shit. And I don't mean right once or twice, I mean right dozens of times. It drives me nuts because I'm not really here to provide backstage security, but that's what I spend most of my time doing here; working with Jeff, figuring shit out, and doing something about it.

I hate these people, I hate their actions. I do not think they are 'agents', I think they are, pardon my directness, Useful Idiots of the Republican Persuasion. There is no better tool to use against a body than one of its own cells. Twist a 'normal' US citizen's brain inside out, and turn em loose on the rest of the neighborhood.

I think that's very much what's been happening the last five/six years, going back even further. People that can't reach the grapes eventually turn in their bitterness and reach for what they can, which is usually each other.

Its an inherent character flaw thing we just have to work against.

Until our society changes, I do not believe these kinds of things will ever truly go away, but manifest in like manners across different, unconnected groups. I've seen enough to suspect there's some kind of Troll Bible, or Field Guide being read by these assholes, but sadly, I'm beginning to think I know where they source it: Their DNA.

Our DNA..

[Sweejak]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background--particularly, mentioning that there have been and are sponges active here, who not only gather various bits of flim-flam about people to use against them but have also hacked personal emails and accounts and used these to datamine/capture personal information; that this information has been used in a way that is slanderous, and that this slander largely seems to have been used for the sake of someone's demented art project or pastime of cyberstalking. "Cyberstalking" might sound like a phantom, but EiAE had his nose rubbed in something from his personal life in a way that is really, really out-of-line--probably not enough to constitute legally actionable libel (*
**I am not a lawyer) but pretty fucked up. I think this sticky post, if it ever comes forth, should be detailed enough that people understand that for whatever reason, there's an active but largely invisible group that bullies a small number of people here both in this forum and across the broader internet, for the sake of disruption.

Maybe there should be more background and particulars given, but I'm worried that doing so only ends up maintaining continuity in the narrative that these goons seek to create; at the same time, having transparency, like EiAE's disclosure about the "perfect troll shit storm," helped me understand more than I knew previously about all this.

I second this.

What worries me, even though I'm barely getting a handle on what is happening here is the way this spreads paranoia and suspicion. Having to ask when is a disagreement just a disagreement and when is it part of a design poisons the atmosphere. I don't know what to do about this and I don't blame anyone for getting word out to the members.

With all the talented writers here, maybe something could be written up as a message when joining the forum, not unlike the terms of membership a kind of synopsis with enough detail -maybe even a reference to a sample where this stuff has actually destroyed a forum.

[Jeff]

One more note about the troll socrates. I've received an email from the former poster proldic categorically denying that he and socrates are the same, or that he has posted under any other identity here. I think Socrates has run enough confirmed socks that we should set aside further speculation, and on behalf of the board I apologize to Proldic for involving his name in this.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I know you've butted heads with quite a few folks here but I just want to take a moment to let the whole board know that you have always been a wonderful, generous, and kind friend to me, even to the point of inviting me and my entire family into your home to ride out a hurricane and I will never forget your willingness to do that, nor what it said about you.

You're welcome Sunny. It was a standing offer if ever needed, by the way, but I'm sure you know that.

[elfismiles]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background--particularly, mentioning that there have been and are sponges active here, who not only gather various bits of flim-flam about people to use against them but have also hacked personal emails and accounts and used these to datamine/capture personal information; that this information has been used in a way that is slanderous, and that this slander largely seems to have been used for the sake of someone's demented art project or pastime of cyberstalking. "Cyberstalking" might sound like a phantom, but EiAE had his nose rubbed in something from his personal life in a way that is really, really out-of-line--probably not enough to constitute legally actionable libel (*
**I am not a lawyer) but pretty fucked up. I think this sticky post, if it ever comes forth, should be detailed enough that people understand that for whatever reason, there's an active but largely invisible group that bullies a small number of people here both in this forum and across the broader internet, for the sake of disruption.

Maybe there should be more background and particulars given, but I'm worried that doing so only ends up maintaining continuity in the narrative that these goons seek to create; at the same time, having transparency, like EiAE's disclosure about the "perfect troll shit storm," helped me understand more than I knew previously about all this.

I second this.

What worries me, even though I'm barely getting a handle on what is happening here is the way this spreads paranoia and suspicion. Having to ask when is a disagreement just a disagreement and when is it part of a design poisons the atmosphere. I don't know what to do about this and I don't blame anyone for getting word out to the members.

With all the talented writers here, maybe something could be written up as a message when joining the forum, not unlike the terms of membership a kind of synopsis with enough detail -maybe even a reference to a sample where this stuff has actually destroyed a forum.

Thirded ... though I had already privately voiced this desire to Jeff after the perps started posting at my place and at the time LBO was describing harrassment and leaving.

And while I was taking my time formulating a reaction to the perps at my place, Jeff nor another mod ever asked me to take action regarding the perps over at my forum. Nor was I contacted by Et.

I'm sorry I took so long to deal with the perps at my forum but I was never given an indication that it was expected of me to remove that material. Not before this thread and Et's "impassioned pleas". I do not want my sites used in that way but I do not have the years of forum managing experience that Et or even Jeff has. And I have a life and had expressed to both Jeff and another forum mod that I hadn't yet gotten around to dealing with the situation and neither of them implored me to take the material down nor told me that Et really wanted it removed. In some ways I appreciated their not trying to influence my lonely little forum but I would have been more quick to do something directly had someone just simply contacted me and asked - instead I feel like I've been smoked out by C2W for the simple act of listening to a-holes, some of whom were saying just what CosmicCowbell most eloquently just explicated. In fact the Sticky Warning and such for the forum was changed for very similar reasons back during the first wave of TD/JB related stuff.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

So to continue...I referenced the Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project thread, which I hope many will find instructive as to the overall scope of the issue at hand.

So the thread was posted, and surprise, LilypatToo was the first to comment. However she failed to be forthright and at that point disclose her relationship-AND- the credit she gave OSR. You'll notice reading the first ten pages or so, that I gave her many pieces of my mind. She was unaware at that point that I had followed closely her involvement with OSR, Susano and those I suspected of being in league with them (including the puppets) for some time. I let her continue to think that up until she accused me of stalking her around several other forums. At that point, I put her straight and also began to poke her a bit about her relationship w/OSR. As I said, infiltration of boards happens over months and I was keenly aware of where it was going. Sure enough, it did. I mentioned before how one could tell a member of the crew, in that, they tend to lend support to the others through "I've been there to", "She tells the truth" type post. These begin fairly quickly with "Jewels1", a member that joined the Forum Dec 1st, 3 days after the initial post. You'll also notice on the first page how willow noticed the "triggers" that were being used. Several others noticed this as well. And chigs noticed the proliferation of views on that first page as well, which is understandable as the thread was, shall we say, being monitored.

Guess who.

Bear with me as this all leads to DE/TD and further mindfuckery. It is an important thread to understand if you want to see the "Big Picture".

So anyways, on page 9, Feb 5th, I accuse LPT of being OSR. Several days later (Page 11, Dec 9th), Jingo posted a reference to DE and his article regarding Whitley Strieber and his connection to MC. This is DE's first appearance in the saga and as you can read, LPT picked up on this article and ran with it back to UC. A few days later in the thread (page 12, dec 9th) we see another supportive member enter the thread. This was KristineRosemary, who joined the forum November 8th. Of course, she was described as a "trooper" by LPT and it was not twelve hours later that we see the appearance of the user "SoulSurvivor" who joined the forum only two days (Nov. 6th) prior to "KristineRosemary", and is an "Abductee" who hasn't seen aliens but remembers " camo pants and military-issue high-top black leather boots."

This begins the perfect shitstorm as it's been described. DE is in the picture with his Strieber article and the sock puppets begin to be supportive. It's interesting that at least these two joined only weeks prior to the posting of OSR's article. Were there others who joined during that time frame? There was one other who joined after the initial post but before those two began their work. That was the member 11:11 (Susano/OSR at UC). OSR doesn't make her appearance officially until March 12th, exclaiming "I didn't even know this was here". At this point...anyone reading this can surmise that was BS.

I hope I've laid out the preliminaries to what happens next, which is the infiltration of DreamEnd and the beginning of his downfall. It should also be noted that at this time, Theresa Duncan is alive and an admirer of RI. Not sure if she had an account but remember, many things happen behind the scenes and through PMs and e-mails. DE, ET and many many others will attest to this.

Again, I will answer question related to what I have posted specifically. I do not pretend to know all and would appreciate help if anyone has observation related to this to add.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Big thanks to everyone for their contributions. Pretty much everything is making more sense now. I'm glad we stuck with this.