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Postby vanlose kid » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:09 pm

Egypt in crisis: Business collapse piles pressure on Mubarak
Factories are closed, cash machines running dry, and food and petrol shortages feared, but some say it is a price worth paying


Peter Beaumont in Cairo
guardian.co.uk, Monday 31 January 2011 20.47 GMT

The industrial city of Abu Rawash sits in the desert beyond the pyramids. You reach it down a dusty road that seems to lead to nowhere. Then the factories and warehouses begin: Toyota, Hyundai, Mazda and Jeep deserted save for a handful of security guards sitting in front of a vacant parking lot for absent staff.

Outside the gates of the Toyota warehouse Ayman Ibrahim is talking to the gatekeeper. The factories are closed, the man tells Ibrahim, who owns a window business on the same site. They won't reopen until at least mid-week. Perhaps even Friday. No one really knows.

The closures in places such as Abu Rawash have been accompanied by calls from unions for an indefinite general strike. "I'm losing £10,000 pounds a week," says Ibrahim. "But it's worth it, I've been to the protest in Tahrir Square for the past three days with my kids. Mubarak is costing me money, but he has been costing Egypt money for 30 years."

It is not only Ibrahim whose business is being hurt financially by the crisis. All of Egypt is hurting. On the main road close to the factories the large Carrefour-Dandy mall is as deserted as the car plants. Egypt's stock market, the bourse, is closed after losing 16% in value last week. Moody's and Fitch – the debt rating companies – have revised their outlook for the country's bonds to negative. The country's banks have been closed for the past two days in fear of a run on the county's bank system.

It is damaging Egypt at all levels. Already some bank machines have run out of money. Some petrol stations have begun running out of fuel. Economists are warning of the risks of shortages of staples, such as bread and water.

Elsewhere shops are shuttered. Those not shut, like some in the paved streets in the financial district close to the epicenter of Egypt's uprising in Tahrir Square, are empty. The owners sit on plastic chairs. "This is very, very bad," says Ah Mahmoud, who owns a clothes shop called Polo. "The problems between the people and president Hosni Mubarak are bad for business. Bad for work. With no money coming in how will we eat?"

The increasingly idle factories in industrial cities like Abu Rawash, 6th October and Sadat City are Hosni Mubarak's achilles heel in a country where unemployment is running at 25%. At the ports – like Alexandria – that depend heavily on the internet to distribute cargo, shipping containers are piling up on the dockside since last Friday's Day of Fury, when the government shut the country off from the world.

All of which has a growing political significance in Cairo's deepening crisis. For while Mubarak may believe he is able to ignore the massive swelling of public sentiment against him, bolstered by his formidable armed forces and police, what he cannot survive in the long run is an Egypt closed for business. Not least in a country where under his rule the centre of political power and economic interest have become so intertwined.

It is Mubarak, say an increasing number of the country's business community, not the people who is costing them money.

Among those who appear to be distancing themselves from Mubarak is Naguib Sawiris, head of the Orascom international telecoms empire and one of Egypt's most high-profile business figures, who said that he supported the ambitions of the protest movement, adding that a transition to democracy would be good for the Egyptian economy.

Foreign investors, on whom the economy depends, are also quick to retreat and, according to assessment by Credit Suisse, are not likely to return, at least until the crisis ends, which it believes is now most likely to happen with the departure of Mubarak. Instead, it warns, foreign and private investment risks collapsing even if Mubarak manages to cling on to power.

Tourism, which along with remittances from Egyptians living abroad is the biggest source of foreign currency, looks most vulnerable of all.

Not far from Cairo's Central Bank Mohammed Rajaa, Ahmed Aggag and Amr Anwar – three young tour operators for NTS – were loading files into a car near their office. "It's an absolute disaster," says Rajaa. "We've had so many cancellations. Flights have not come and we've had to move people to safer locations. We are losing so much money."

But Aggag agrees with Ibrahim. Even though they are facing the prospect of ruin within a month, and the loss of their jobs – he believes the price is worth paying if they see Mubarak go. "We don't care about the business. We care what happens to the Egyptian people."

"But we can't last much longer if all of this continues" warns Rajaa. "Maybe a few weeks. Everything is going down …"

"The price is worth it," interrupts Aggag, "if we get change."

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Project Willow » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:06 am

Watching AJ until bt, what do you think Vanlose, will this be the big day?
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:33 am

The Al J Eng live blog for 1 feb 2011.

It looks to be building for a big day.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby stefano » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:40 am

vanlose kid wrote:Among those who appear to be distancing themselves from Mubarak is Naguib Sawiris, head of the Orascom international telecoms empire and one of Egypt's most high-profile business figures, who said that he supported the ambitions of the protest movement, adding that a transition to democracy would be good for the Egyptian economy.
Ha, what a snake. He gave Mubarak's family members Orascom shares and was happy until now to have the old man put in a word at summit meetings when he ran into trouble abroad.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:33 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby wintler2 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:47 am


As a headline, and as a reality unimaginable a decade ago, thats beautiful.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:30 am

Project Willow wrote:Watching AJ until bt, what do you think Vanlose, will this be the big day?


yep, how the army and police act re the demo which is to end in front of the pres. palace. (there are pro-gov protesters being assembled, probably paid to be there.)

i think this is it. moment of truth.

(but then again, Tunisia took four weeks and we're only in week two. maybe it'll take longer, or maybe there's some sort of evolutionary shortening/intensity effect.)

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edit: agree with joe and jeff: Mubarak is gone. he was gone the moment he named a veep. they were trying to skirt with as few losses as possible. but the entire system is still in place, and the people recognize that.

they're demanding a total reset. that's what bothers hillary and co., the most.

it's the regime that needs to be gone.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:35 am

AJ: ElBaredei not in the square. warning people against marching to the pres palace.

bad move, ElB.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:52 am

MSM working up the fear.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:59 am

more of the same fearmongering: o no, we need a dictator!

the Chris Hedges "we" line of argument.

the kind of argument that put the Saddams, the Pahlavis, the Mubaraks, the Ben Alis in power in the first place.]

democracy? sure, but only for people with the" democratic gene" [so, until they evolve one dictators are a necessity].

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A democratic Egypt or a state of hate?

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, February 1, 2011

Things are about to go from bad to worse in the Middle East. An Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement is nowhere in sight. Lebanon just became a Hezbollah state, which is to say that Iran has become an even more important regional power, and Egypt, once stable if tenuously so, has been pitched into chaos. This is the most dire prospect of them all. The dream of a democratic Egypt is sure to produce a nightmare.

Egypt's problems are immense. It has a population it cannot support, a standard of living that is stagnant and a self-image as leader of the (Sunni) Arab world that does not, really, correspond to reality. It also lacks the civic and political institutions that are necessary for democracy. The next Egyptian government - or the one after - might well be composed of Islamists. In that case, the peace with Israel will be abrogated and the mob currently in the streets will roar its approval.

My take on all this is relentlessly gloomy. I care about Israel. I care about Egypt, too, but its survival is hardly at stake. I care about democratic values, but they are worse than useless in societies that have no tradition of tolerance or respect for minority rights. What we want for Egypt is what we have ourselves. This, though, is an identity crisis. We are not them.

It's impossible now to get a fix on what is happening in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be lying low. Is this a reflection of weakness or canniness? The Brotherhood remains the only well-organized institution in Egypt other than the military. It has been underground for generations - jailed, tortured, infiltrated, but still, somehow, flourishing. Its moment may be approaching.

Under a different name (Hamas), the Muslim Brotherhood runs the Gaza Strip. Hamas's charter states unequivocally that it wants to eradicate Israel. It mentions the 1978 Camp David accords, and not with admiration. ("Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle through the treacherous Camp David Agreement.") No doubt that in an Egyptian election, the call to repudiate the treaty will prove popular - as popular as the peace with Israel has not been.

The Muslim Brotherhood's most influential thinker was the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb. He was hanged in 1966, but not before he had managed to turn out a vast amount of writings. He showed almost superhuman courage and was, in many respects, a formidable man. But he was also a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, an anti-Semite and a fervent hater of most things American. As if to prove that familiarity breeds contempt, he had spent about two years in the United States.

The Egyptian crisis has produced the usual blather about the role of America. The United States remains powerful and important, but it has already lost control of events - not that it ever really had it. Moreover, it hardly matters what Washington now says. The Islamists of the Brotherhood do not despise America for what it does but for what it is. Read Qutb's purplish alarm at the dress and appearance of American women. Read his racist remarks about blacks. The Islamic state Qutb envisioned would be racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian as well. It would treat women as the Taliban now does - if only because the Taliban, too, reveres Qutb. He rejected a clemency offer, saying his words would matter more if he was dead. He was right.

Majority rule is a worthwhile idea. But so, too, are respect for minorities, freedom of religion, the equality of women and adherence to treaties, such as the one with Israel, the only democracy in the region. It's possible that the contemporary Islamists of Egypt think differently about these matters than did Qutb. If that's the case, then there is no cause for concern. But Hamas in the Gaza Strip, although recently moderating its message, suggests otherwise. So does Iran.

Those Americans and others who cheer the mobs in the streets of Cairo and other Egyptian cities, who clamor for more robust anti-Mubarak statements from the Obama administration, would be wise to let Washington proceed slowly. Hosni Mubarak is history. He has stayed too long, been too recalcitrant - and, for good reason, let his fear of the future ossify the present. Egypt and the entire Middle East are on the verge of convulsing. America needs to be on the right side of human rights. But it also needs to be on the right side of history. This time, the two may not be the same.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05710.html

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:26 am

a little moment of madcap optimism and levity – at least for me. i hope hope hope that the people win out.

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Opposition demands Mubarak’s monument be demolished near Baku

2011 January 31 ( Monday ) 13:59:02

The heads and activists of Musavat, Popular Front and other political organizations represented in the Public Chamber Civil Movement for Democracy visited the monument to Mammad Emin Rasulzadeh, one of the founders of the Azerbaijan People’s Republic (APR) in 1918-1920, in the Novkhana settlement in the Baku suburbs on the occasion of Rasulzadeh’s 126th birthday.

Addressing the rally, a Public Chamber Movement member, Panah Hussein criticized Azerbaijan’s authorities for forgetting the APR leaders, dismantling their monuments and excluding their names from the names of Azerbaijani universities.

Hussein also demanded the monument to the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in the Khirdalan town near Baku be demolished and the decision to name a school in Azerbaijan after Mubarak’s wife be canceled.

Hussein called on the officials to stop their idolatry policy.

The Liberal Party’s leader, Lala Shovkat also called on to dismantle the monument to Mubarak in Khirdalan.

http://www.contact.az/topics_en.asp?id= ... 2011&mdn=1

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:38 am

some tweets:


RT @bencnn: Pres. Mubarak has closed down internet, sms, banks, schools, universities, courts, now the trains in all of #Egypt. "Stability?" #Jan25

RT @Greytdog Interactive map of Cairo uses satellite images & photos frm ground to track #Egypt protests since Friday. http://nyti.ms/gQXYWo

RT @ymansur: Mubarak may cut off trains to cairo but the people of #Egypt, young, old, rich and poor are walking to Liberty Square

RT @JohnBSheldon: #Egypt unrest impacts emerging markets: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/de0795ee-2d68 ... ab49a.html #BRICS

RT @SarahBethLynch: Unbelievable scene: "March of a million" the latest picture from #Tahriri Square here: http://bit.ly/hVCVtj #Egypt #Jan25 #Feb1

RT @bencnn: Many of men heading to Tahrir along Corniche look like baltagiya (plainclothed police heavies). Another Tienanmen Sq? #Jan25 #Egypt

RT @manal: ♻ @bencnn How would Americans feel if #Obama shut down internet, cell phones, banks, trains, schools, etc.? Think about that. #Egypt #Jan25

RT @bencnn: I've seen enough plainclothed #Egypt police in my face, and been roughed up by them, to know what they look like. #Jan25

RT @justimage: Oh wow, the streets of downtown next to Tahrir are also flooded. Must be way over a million here. #Egypt

RT @EgyptFreedomNow: In Cairo at Tahrir Square people are chanting about our motivation behind uprising: “Not religious nor military but civilian!" #Jan25 #Egypt

RT @manal: ♻ @RiverDryFilm: A priest and an imam stand, hands together, aloft, as the crowd chants "WE ARE AS ONE HAND" #Jan25 #Egypt

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:07 am

more tweets:


RT @Arabzy | Breaking: The Prime Minister of Turkey has canceled his visit to Cairo on February 8th. #Jan25 #Egypt #AJE

RT @manal: ♻ @RiverDryFilm: KFC in the middle of Tahrir Sq without a scratch on it. Just a massive sign saying ''We want the internet'' #Jan25 #Egypt

RT @SarahBethLynch: Volunteers are searching pple at every entrance to Tahrir sq. Volunteer Zeina told me: "I'm doing this to protect my country." #Egypt #Feb1

RT @Elizrael: RT @hamish6PM: Just had our camera and discs taken by Egyptian soldiers leaving Tahrir sq. #Egypt #feb1

People here are talking about potential food and gas shortages. One man told me: "we wont be worse off than we already were. " #Egypt

RT @abdu: Yesterday Islamic clerics joined the protesters today there are reports Coptic priests are out too #Egypt #Jan25

RT @lisang: Hamas prevents demo in solidarity with #jan25 protesters in #egypt. http://bit.ly/dRfNAD

RT @SarahBethLynch: Egyptian man - Ayad, 24 yrs old, told me: “the freedom they can never take away from us is the freedom to starve.” #Egypt #Feb1

RT @SarahBethLynch: Man holding a sign today: "we cleaned our street, we can clean #Egypt from trash and corruption." #Jan25

protesters moving to the presidential palace #egypt

RT @bencnn: Protestor in #Tahrir square says " Mubarak may have thick skin but we have sharper nails" #jan25 #Egypt

RT @Meir_Javedanfar: Guardian - Hamas has prevented some 20 people from demonstrating in solidarity with #Egypt http://goo.gl/VeURC @KevinFlowerCNN @octavianasr

Military Police to install wired fence around #Mubarak's Presidential Palace. #Egypt #Tahrir #Jan25 #1M #Feb1

RT @justimage: Army is throwing flyers to crowd that say they will protect people #Egypt #jan25

RT @acarvin: RT @khadijapatel: These images of Tahrir are resonant of the Haj. Unity in humanity. #Egypt #Jan25

RT @bencnn: Taken unaware by #Egypt uprising, clueless "experts" think talking about Islamic role in Egypt they actually make sense. They don't #Jan25

RT @HeeshAssi: “RT @jonathanfryer: 'We are with you!' army officers shouting at protestors still entering #Cairo's Tahrir Square #Egypt #Jan25”

#Egypt television they are insulting Qatar and saying that they are a "Small Israel" how pathetic is this? Respect to Qatar and @AJEnglish

'300 killed' so far in Egypt protests:'300 killed' so far in Egypt protests: News24: Africa: News. Unit #Egypt: http://bit.ly/gxhV8i

RT @SarahBethLynch: A man in crowd said: "I am from the Muslim Brotherhood. We are not trying to take over the people. We are with the people. " #Egypt #Feb1

RT @LSal92: Is the Middle East falling apart or finally getting on it's feet? #Jan25 #Egypt #Lebanon #Tunisia #Yemen #Jordan

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:39 am

Jordan's King Abdullah II ousts his prime minister, cabinet; despite anti-government protests, respect for monarchy remains

February 1, 2011

AMMAN, JORDAN - Jordan's King Abdullah II on Tuesday dismissed Prime Minister Samir Rifai and his cabinet, news services reported, after several days of widespread protests by crowds of people inspired by demonstrations in Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere.

Abdullah asked ex-general Marouf Bakhit to form a new cabinet, the Associated Press reported.

Abdullah, a key U.S. ally, has come under pressure in recent weeks from protests by a coalition of Islamists, secular opposition groups and a group of retired army generals who have called for sweeping political and economic reforms.

The demonstrations, which have drawn momentum from the unrest in the region and were joined Friday by thousands across Jordan, reflect growing discontent stoked by the most serious domestic economic crisis in years and accusations of rampant government corruption.

Demonstrators have protested rising prices and demanded the dismissal of Rifai and his government. But they have not directly challenged the king, criticism of whom is banned in Jordan. The demonstrators have been peaceful and have not been confronted by the police.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013103692.html
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