The peoples voice.

[Searcher08]

To clarify,
before that paragraph, I wrote as an intended frame

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my surprise) Icke himself.

This should have been:

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my very great surprise ) Icke himself.

[American Dream]

To clarify,
before that paragraph, I wrote as an intended frame

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my surprise) Icke himself.

This should have been:

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my very great surprise ) Icke himself.

Why such a surprise?

[Searcher08]

To clarify,
before that paragraph, I wrote as an intended frame

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my surprise) Icke himself.

This should have been:

The big Plus point I have seen on TPV so far is (much to my very great surprise ) Icke himself.

Why such a surprise?

Because I was expecting him to be in a kind of full on 'seminar' mode.

Similarly, in some of Alex Jones's most recent videos, he had tuned 'Alex Jones' down to near zero.

[slimmouse]

Searcher,

I agree with much of your critique, and I seriously fear for the future of TPV.

We live in hope.

I do support them, since I cancelled my subscription to C2C

However, If it all fails within 6 months, I would probably want to archive all of the information , in order to refer people to it.

And as an aside, anyone who can turn $ 500k into what they already did, are to me at least a story within themselves,

Determination and courage immediately springs to mind.

[American Dream]

And as an aside, anyone who can turn $ 500k into what they already did, is to me at least a story within themselves,
.

Do you really think it's ok to continue doing fundraising for Icke here?

Seems kinda sketchy to me...

[slimmouse]

And as an aside, anyone who can turn $ 500k into what they already did, is to me at least a story within themselves,
.

Do you really think it's ok to continue doing fundraising for Icke here?

Seems kinda sketchy to me...

Consult the mods AD. Present your evidence.

Does the truth need laws to defend it?

What is Money?

[seemslikeadream]

almost every single link I post here goes back to a page that fundraises for the website

[slimmouse]

Hey AD, hows this for a position to think about the Middle East from?

"The Empire" is currently active in the long term ethnic cleansing of Palestine, for the interests of the architects of Empire.

And if a few Jewish people get psychologically damaged along the way ( the population of Israel), along with their neighbours, who are living in some kind of Emprie created prsion camp, then WTF.

The Empire dont care. Because the empire makes a fortune out of himan suffering.

[Searcher08]

Searcher,

I agree with much of your critique, and I seriously fear for the future of TPV.

We live in hope.

I do support them, since I cancelled my subscription to C2C

However, If it all fails within 6 months, I would probably want to archive all of the information , in order to refer people to it.

And as an aside, anyone who can turn $ 500k into what they already did, are to me at least a story within themselves,

Determination and courage immediately springs to mind.

The single key thing for me around Icke is without doubt the Jimmy Saville thread on the Icke forum It is a huge sprawling clearinghouse of information about the subject and has been the source of enormous pressure on media and police and politicians to keep visibility on child abuse, which *is* happening.

I think that The Peoples Voice should actually have this as a key part - a campaigning programme, not a news programme if you will.

[American Dream]

Hey AD, hows this for a position to think about the Middle East from?

"The Empire" is currently active in the long term ethnic cleansing of Palestine, for the interests of the architects of Empire.

And if a few Jewish people get psychologically damaged along the way ( the population of Israel), along with their neighbours, who are living in some kind of Emprie created prsion camp, then WTF.

The Empire dont care. Because the empire makes a fortune out of himan suffering.

I kinda agree- don't think it's one monolithic Empire, certainly not an ancient ideologically united one. I do think that the U.S., British, Russian, Israeli, Syrian, Egyptian, Chinese statecraft etc. does not stand on putting principles of Human Rights and caring for the interests of the masses first.

[slimmouse]

Searcher,

I agree with much of your critique, and I seriously fear for the future of TPV.

We live in hope.

I do support them, since I cancelled my subscription to C2C

However, If it all fails within 6 months, I would probably want to archive all of the information , in order to refer people to it.

And as an aside, anyone who can turn $ 500k into what they already did, are to me at least a story within themselves,

Determination and courage immediately springs to mind.

The single key thing for me around Icke is without doubt the Jimmy Saville thread on the Icke forum It is a huge sprawling clearinghouse of information about the subject and has been the source of enormous pressure on media and police and politicians to keep visibility on child abuse, which *is* happening.

I think that The Peoples Voice should actually have this as a key part - a campaigning programme, not a news programme if you will.

I cant tell you how much I agree with that, for any number of esoteric reasons.

When the Jimmy Saville story broke, my mind immiediately turned to Ted Heath somehow.

The rest as they say........

[Wombaticus Rex]

Two things:

1. $500k is huge, and unless TPV has a much bigger, more robust IT infrastructure than they're letting on (and if they were...why is DDoS so easy?) I am still unclear as to what, exactly, they're spending it on: hopefully, though, they're saving it with an eye toward longevity and delivering the best value to their donors.

2. Their donors. I find it nearly motherfucking impossible to believe anyone here is donating money to TPV based on Slim's discussion. I have also made it clear in the past I don't think Slim's discussion constitutes fundraising and I have also also made it clear I don't think it's fair for AD to make that accusation.

Now, to be more clear still, "unfair" is just a personal subjective judgement call and "unfair" is not against the rules in any way, shape or digital ebook format.

[American Dream]

Two things:
Their donors. I find it nearly motherfucking impossible to believe anyone here is donating money to TPV based on Slim's discussion. I have also made it clear in the past I don't think Slim's discussion constitutes fundraising and I have also also made it clear I don't think it's fair for AD to make that accusation.

There is water under the bridge, for what it's worth,- it's not just this last incident- it goes back to the earlier phases of this thread and repeated...

[Wombaticus Rex]

Two things:
Their donors. I find it nearly motherfucking impossible to believe anyone here is donating money to TPV based on Slim's discussion. I have also made it clear in the past I don't think Slim's discussion constitutes fundraising and I have also also made it clear I don't think it's fair for AD to make that accusation.

There is water under the bridge, for what it's worth,- it's not just this last incident- it goes back to the earlier phases of this thread and repeated...

Okay, let me make it more clear: I read all this shit because I am a moderator, otherwise I would avoid your snooze-fest thought police actions. I am familiar with the ENTIRE body of posts in question and again, I want to communicate to you that I do not consider ANY of it to be "Fundraising for David Icke" -- especially since we're not exactly his target audience. Your choice of metaphor is also unfortunate because your behavior makes it clear this is ANYTHING BUT "water under the bridge" as far as you are concerned.

I do not appreciate your insinuation I need to do more research in order to form a qualified opinion, AD.

[American Dream]

My sincere apologies if I offended you. I have no idea which parts of which threads you are willing and able to read.

What I'm gleaning from this is that we/I need to give more serious props to the moderators who are willing to wade through all this muck- and maybe differentiate more between the fights worth having and those that are not.