How to Overthrow the Illuminati

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:08 pm

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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:32 pm

American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:08 pm wrote:
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:28 pm

Please refrain from personal attacks, and keep arguments issue-based.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:00 am

Here is another exponent of "Illuminati Theory", but his ideas are not racist , they're not!

And he's not a suspicious character, is he???



http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/inde ... te&story=6

- About Israel Shamir -

Israeli writer is Swedish anti-Semite

A man who claims to be one of Israel’s leading intellectuals is also a Swedish antisemitic writer. Israel Shamir presents himself on his website as a leading Russian-Israeli intellectual and a writer, translator and journalist. But in 2001 he changed his name to Jöran Jermas and has surrounded himself in Sweden and Norway with antisemites and strange conspiracy theorists.

By Tor Bach, Sven Johansen and Lise Apfelblum | Searchlight | May 2004

Shamir also claims to have occupied a string of important positions as a translator of classical works and to have worked as a journalist in several heavyweight media institutions, including for the major Israeli paper, Haaretz. However, when Monitor started investigating Shamir’s past last year, it found no evidence that Shamir had ever held these positions. His supposed job as Moscow correspondent for Haaretz turned out to consist of just a few freelance articles.

The Swedish Census Registry does give a few clues about Shamir and his movements. It shows that his name was entered onto the Registry in October 1984 and he later obtained Swedish citizenship. According to the register he still lives in Dalagatan, Stockholm, not in Jaffa, Israel, as he publicly claims. Shamir’s first wife and two sons also live in Stockholm.

In July 1993, Shamir emigrated to Russia and later to Israel, where he married again in July 1994. He and his new wife returned to Sweden in autumn 1998.

Shamir, who claims to be one of Israel’s leading intellectuals, has concealed the fact that he has lived in Sweden for a long time. Another strange fact is that there are hardly any references to Shamir on the internet before 2001, the same year in which he changed his name. This was a strange time to do this, just as he was being noticed and had started to publish his works under the name of Israel Shamir.

Jermas’s translator in Norway is Hans Olav Brendberg, a teacher, who was recently asked to leave the executive committee of a branch of the Red Electoral Alliance (RV). The left-wing RV, which took 1.2% of the vote in the general election in 2001 and has over 80 local councillors, accused Brendberg of making anti-Jewish statements on the internet and in his work as Jermas’s translator.

Brendberg, 35, stirred up controversy after writing articles for the left-wing daily Klassekampenin which he charged the Jews with killing Christ and hating all non-Jews. But it is through the KK-forum, Klassekampen’s semi-official web-based discussion forum, that Brendberg has gained most notoriety for statements such as: “Millions of nice Germans have always existed but not one of them is mentioned in Anne Frank’s Diaries. As for the broader picture: is not the world bigger than the attic of a Dutch city apartment block?”

On several occasions, Brendberg has referred to Kevin MacDonald, an extreme right-wing American, as an authority on Jewish matters. MacDonald, a professor at an obscure Californian university, is a white racist, antisemitic, anti-black, anti-left apologist for Hitler’s genocide and an inveterate fascist.

MacDonald is perhaps most infamous for his claim that the Jews have effected a breeding programme to conquer other “races”. He appeared in court as a witness on behalf of David Irving, the British quasi-historian and Hitler admirer, in his libel case against Deborah Lipstadt.

In his books MacDonald alleges that Marxism and the Russian revolution of October 1917 are Jewish conspiracies. He also claims that the Jews and Asians are threatening to wrest power from the Europeans in the USA and considers it genetically dangerous to “import Africans”. Brendberg regards MacDonald’s books as classical, academic works worthy of critical debate.

Shamir has found other, even more extreme friends in Sweden. One of his Swedish translators, Lars Adelskog, is not only a leading figure in the Swedish UFO movement but can also be found in the jungle of conspiracy theories where the Illuminati, the Freemasons and lizards in human form are supposedly working together to end civilisation as we know it.

Adelskog’s last book bore the profound title En tom säck kan inte stå (An empty bag cannot stand) and was published by the openly nazi publisher Nordiska Förlaget. This organisation also sells books by MacDonald, Hitler and Irving. In his latest book, Adelskog tries in typical nazi style to “prove” that the Nazi genocide of the Jews never took place.

Adelskog was previously the editor of the Swedish “alternative” magazine Nexus, where he also spread his pet conspiracy theories. The Nationalsocialistisk Front later touted unsold issues of Nexus through its website.

Jermas/Shamir himself is no stranger to conspiracy theories. When he visited Norway in 2001, he made the laughable claim in the mainstream newspaper Adresseavisa that many Jews received text messages warning them to get out of the World Trade Centre in New York before the terror attacks of 11 September.

Another outlet that eagerly promotes antisemitic conspiracy theories is the Russian magazine Zavtra and its editor Alexander Prokhanov. While in Moscow, Jermas worked as a journalist for Zavtra, which has been described as Russia’s most antisemitic rag. When the notorious racist and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke went to Russia to promote his new book,Jewish Supremacism, and his National Association for the Advancement of White People, it was on Prokhanov’s invitation.

Despite the dogs with which he is willing to lie down, Jermas does not seem afraid of catching fleas. In the USA, Alex Linder of Kirksville, Missouri, who has seemingly fallen from grace in the nazi National Alliance (NA), has set up his own outfit called the Vanguard News Network. Lindner is eagerly promoting a forthcoming congress of Holocaust liars in Sacramento this year and published parts of a peculiar email correspondence with Jermas, posing under his old name of Shamir.

According to Lindner, Bob White the NA leader had told Jermas that the conference had been called off. Then Jermas told Lindner in an email that if the conference were to go ahead he would be interested in taking part as a speaker, “provided:

“1) There will be no leak about my coming until the day of my coming, and

“2) You can pay for trip for me and my wife including flexible return flight tickets, hotels and two hundred dollars a day for food and similar expenses, plus 1,000 dollars speaker’s fee.

“If you can’t afford it, I shall supply you with my talk and you may read it or distribute it the way you like.

“In any case, I would advise to keep this exchange entres [sic] nous, as premature publicity would severely undermine our ability to communicate freely.”

Jermas’s demands must have confirmed all Lindner’s beliefs about “greedy Jews”. As he put it: “Who does he think he is? Not even Horst Mahler has made demands like this.”

Jermas is also a keen propagandist. He poses as a friend of the Palestinian people and claims to be promoting systematic criticism of the state of Israel. Because of this several of his writings have been quoted in international debates on the Middle East.

However, leading Palestinian representatives do not share this view. Ali Abunimah, a prominent media critic on the Electronic Intifada website, and Hussein Ibish, press spokesman of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), warned as early as 2001 that Shamir was an antisemite and not just against Israel. They claimed that his opposition to Israel was no less than a rehash of the classical elements of the European antisemitic tradition.

Brendberg has consciously chosen to convey Shamir’s views and other politically toxic material to the Norwegian public. Questions are being asked whether a person who spreads such views on Jews should be allowed to work as a religious education teacher in the state school system. Christine Mohn, the leader of the Norwegian Association against Antisemitism, left no doubt about her view: “No, definitely not!”
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Hammer of Los » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:18 am

...

We are the Illuminati.

Well, I am, at least.

...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:21 am

Why dont you start a thread or set-up a sub-Forum called

Anti-Semitic People Organisations and Theories

and post away?

Or do you prefer to do that by default in every thread that has a post you take an issue with?

http://www.adl.org/12Home/search-results.html?cx=011346335056800985113%3Alqqt2atnvmk&ie=UTF-8&q=israel%20shamir&sa.x=0&sa.y=0
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby brainpanhandler » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:53 am

Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:21 am wrote:Why dont you start a thread or set-up a sub-Forum called

Anti-Semitic People Organisations and Theories

and post away?

Or do you prefer to do that by default in every thread that has a post you take an issue with?

http://www.adl.org/12Home/search-results.html?cx=011346335056800985113%3Alqqt2atnvmk&ie=UTF-8&q=israel%20shamir&sa.x=0&sa.y=0


It's his fucking thread! Holy crap.

And read the responses on the first page.

Who's trolling who?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:11 am

brainpanhandler » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:53 am wrote:
Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:21 am wrote:Why dont you start a thread or set-up a sub-Forum called

Anti-Semitic People Organisations and Theories

and post away?

Or do you prefer to do that by default in every thread that has a post you take an issue with?

http://www.adl.org/12Home/search-results.html?cx=011346335056800985113%3Alqqt2atnvmk&ie=UTF-8&q=israel%20shamir&sa.x=0&sa.y=0


It's his fucking thread! Holy crap.

And read the responses on the first page.

Who's trolling who?


It's not just the responses on the first page either...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:07 am

I'll take that as a 'No'.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:18 am

brainpanhandler » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:53 am wrote:
It's his fucking thread! Holy crap.

And read the responses on the first page.

Who's trolling who?



[emphasis added
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:44 am

Yes, a great enemy of "The Illuminati":



http://www.nigelparry.com/issues/shamir ... etter.html

E-mail: SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIR

Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:53:12 -0500
Title: SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT ISRAEL SHAMIR

From Ali Abunimah & Hussein Ibish (acting solely in his private capacity)

Dear Friends:

In recent months, many people have been reading the writings of Israel Shamir, who describes himself as a Russian-Israeli journalist. Many have been impressed by these writings, and Shamir has been embraced in many places in the US on his current speaking tour. From early on, some of Shamir's writings struck us as straying beyond criticism of Israel and Zionism, and crossing into the territory of implicit anti-Semitism. We have discussed this with many people privately, but now feel compelled to raise some of these objections publicly. While there are many passages in Shamir's rhetoric that cause serious concern, it is sufficient to cite these three:

1) Yesterday we received an "Easter Message" from Shamir in which he repeats the most odious characterizations of Jews as "Christ killers," the staple of classic European Christian anti-Semitism. In the message, which originates from Shamir's own email address, he writes:

"Jesus taught, love your neighbour as yourself, even if he is a traditional enemy of Jews, a Samaritan. That is why he was hated by the Jewish supremacists of his time. He said: you can not worship God and Mammon, the god of greed, you have to choose. That is why he was hated by supply-side economists and bankers of his day. They sentenced him to death and the Empire obliged and carried out the execution, in order to keep peace with these all-important forces. Our fathers did not dare to speak against their leaders. The spirit of domination scored a victory, but the spirit of brotherhood did not vanish."

Shamir continues: "The Jewish supremacy forces and the greed worshippers united again to crucify Christ. The US, this New Rome, again gives hand and agrees to become the executioner. Now it is our turn to decide."

Palestinians, Shamir argues, are today's Christ, and history has given the Jews a "second chance" i.e. a chance to redeem their earlier crucifixion of Jesus by not crucifying the Palestinians. "If we keep our mouth shut," Shamir writes, "we deserve to be called 'Christ killers.' If we stop it, we shall change history. The scarlet as blood sins of past will become white as snow. [sic]"

We cannot agree that Jews "deserve" to be called "Christ killers," or that this kind of rhetoric has anything whatever to offer of value to the movement for Palestinian liberation and human rights. All this sort of rhetoric does, no matter who it comes from, is paint the Palestinian movement as one which includes, requires, or embraces a discourse which vilifies, or threatens to vilify, Jews as "Christ killers." What could be more counterproductive to building the community of conscience, the powerful moral stance, which is and must be the goal of those of us in the United States who support Palestinian rights, than the introduction of this kind of rhetoric into our conversation? How could we do more to discredit ourselves than by allowing such ideas to proliferate in behalf of a movement that has no need whatever to stoop to vilifying others to justify itself?

2) Shamir recently gave a speech at Tufts University. He is quoted as saying at that speech: "Palestinians are perfect mammals; their life is deeply rooted in the ground...Israeli people represent a virus form of a human being because they can live anywhere." ("Israel at fault for Middle East violence, Jewish journalist says," The Tufts Daily, April 10, 2001) The quote appears to be verified and accurate.

This is, if anything, even worse than the "Christ killers" language drawn from traditional European Christian anti-Semitism. The "Jew-as-parasite" analysis recalls the even more vicious political and racial, rather than folkloric and religious, anti-Semitism which emerged during the 19th century in Europe and culminated in the Nazi genocide of World War II. This description of Jews as 'parasites' or "viruses" cast them as immutably alien to all societies in which they lived, and contrasted the 'international Jew' with the supposedly 'authentic' volkish people, who have deep connections to the land of the nation and who are the creators of social and economic value. The 'inauthentic' Jews were always 'foreigners' and "viruses" because, as Shamir puts it, "they can live anywhere," and are not rooted to the land as the non-Jewish population supposedly is. They are cast as parasites and diseases that feed off of the productivity and creativity of the authentic people, without ever contributing anything themselves.

It is disturbing to see the Palestinian people cast as the 'honest volkish people' of what is, in effect, racist rhetoric about why Jews are a fundamentally different and dangerous type of human being. Palestinians are not "perfect mammals," they are human beings like everyone else. No better, and no worse. Israeli Jews are not "a virus form of a human being," they are a human form of a human being, whose government and state is engaged in a brutal oppression and dispossession of another group of human beings. Our battle is for human rights and human dignity, and against racism, colonialism and oppression. It should be obvious to everyone that this statement by Shamir crosses all lines of decency, and could not be better designed to damage, denigrate and bring into disrepute the movement for Palestinian human rights.

3) On March 30, the Jerusalem Post published an op/ed that reported: "Two weeks ago, Russian-language journalist Israel Shamir told a largely Jewish audience: 'Jews only exist to drip the blood of Palestinian children into their matzas.'" ("The Jewish student - a minnow among sharks," March 30, 2001)

If this is an accurate quote, it is another example of the repetition of the worst kind of anti-Semitism. Shamir has privately denied saying this, but does not appear to have taken any action to correct the record publicly or to be in any way upset about the attribution. Obviously, we have no trouble believing that the Jerusalem Post might have mischaracterized someone's words. However, if the report is not accurate, one has to ask why Shamir has allowed such a gross misquotation to stand unchallenged. If he is indeed working in the interests of Palestinian liberation, surely he has an obligation not to let such a mischaracterization go uncorrected. Moreover, given the "Christ-killers" and "Jews-as-viruses" statements, the Jerusalem Post quote seems increasingly less out of character.

Many people have welcomed the contributions of Israel Shamir in good faith, but we feel they may not be paying close enough attention to what he is saying. Perhaps this is because many of us welcome criticism of Israel from someone who appears to be an "insider," that our hunger for validation from Jewish Israelis sometimes allows us to proceed without the requisite skepticism or overlook excesses we otherwise would not tolerate. Perhaps some are ready to overlook statements that appeal to anti-Semitic sentiments because the person making them identifies himself as a Jew. But the identity of the speaker makes such statements no less odious and harmful. We do not have any need for some of what Israel Shamir is introducing into the discourse on behalf of Palestinian rights, which increasingly includes elements of traditional European anti-Semitic rhetoric. Such sentiments will harm, not help, the cause. We urge all our friends in the movement for Palestinian rights to seriously consider the long-term effects this rhetoric will have on the cause, and act accordingly.

Ali Abunimah (http://www.abunimah.org)
Hussein Ibish (acting solely in his private capacity)

April 16, 2001

Source: The above e-mail was circulated widely on the Internet.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:07 am

American Dream » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:08 pm wrote:
Thank you for your civil and thoughtful contributions, and your cooperation in helping to generate more light than heat.


Thank you for refraining in the future from posting excerpts from the board rules, multiple times.
I find it patronising in the extreme.
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:49 am

Searcher, did you come here to distract?

Because a reasonable person would call that trolling...
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby slimmouse » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:55 am

Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?
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Re: How to Overthrow the Illuminati

Postby American Dream » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:58 am

slimmouse » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:55 am wrote:Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?


Clearly- you came to distract too.

Don't want to talk about Israel Shamir, slim?

Why not?

Is there something you're afraid of saying?
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