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Hello. We don't want people from the army or the airforce or the navy to rule the country. We only want civilians to rule the country. We are sick of this problem. We have learned our lesson and have woken up, really woken up. This is our country and we are free to do what we want. We don't want Americans to discuss [this issue] with us or anyone. This is an Egyptian issue, only. Not Israeli or American or any European country or any Jewish countries'. This is an Egyptian matter. When another country elects someone, we don't get involved. Why are they getting involved with us? They are in the black list. In the black list and they should not enter Egypt, ever.
Jeff wrote:"'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need,' this is something that is being played out in real time on the streets of Cairo today." (AJ just now)
This is an Egyptian matter. When another country elects someone, we don't get involved. Why are they getting involved with us? They are in the black list. In the black list and they should not enter Egypt, ever.
Looters included undercover Egyptian police, hospitals tell Human Rights Watch
By Leila Fadel
Tuesday, February 1, 2011; 8:36 AM
CAIRO - Human Rights Watch confirmed several cases of undercover police loyal to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's regime committing acts of violence and looting in an attempt to stoke fear of instability as demonstrations grew stronger Tuesday against the autocratic leader.
Peter Bouckaert, the emergency director at Human Rights Watch, said hospitals confirmed that they received several wounded looters shot by the army carrying police identification cards. They also found several cases of looters and vandals in Cairo and Alexandria with police identification cards. He added that it was "unexplainable" that thousands of prisoners escaped from prisons over the weekend.
"Mubarak's mantra to his own people was that he was the guarantor of the nation's stability. It would make sense that he would want to send the message that without him, there is no safety," Bouckaert said.
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"Every morning I have anxiety about what it will look like, whether we can keep up the numbers," he remarked, standing with his 12-year-old son who wore an Egyptian flag as a cape.
"But the people are leading with utmost efficiency. This is a real people's movement.
"You see them with smiles on their faces. They are discovering their own strength."
In the past, taking part in political rallies meant risking the attention of the security services and possibly being placed on a watchlist. Now, ordinary Egyptians are expressing their views more freely.
Many want to convey messages to the outside world and carry signs written in English.
They declare: "I'm free" and "Game over" but also demand policy changes from Western countries that have supported the Mubarak government.
"US: we hate your hypocrisy" read one banner, referring to the disparity between American calls for human rights and democracy and its support of their president.
"Listen to the Egyptian people," another demanded.
Despite an official curfew, the numbers in the square swell in early evening and the chants increase in volume.
Protesters are only too aware of the government's hope that by delaying its response to their demands it will drain their energy.
But they say they are determined to prove otherwise.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-africa-12328506
cceia Egyptian heard on NPR:
"#Mubarak is our Berlin Wall. Once he goes, they all go, like Eastern Europe."
Twitter - 1 minute ago
MacCruiskeen wrote:It is a joy to behold, not least because it's come so suddenly and unexpectedly. But sooner or later those demonstrators are going to have to decide how far they will go to eject, not just Mubarak, but the whole pack. It remains to be seen what chance they will have - what chance they will be "allowed" - to institute real (rather than cosmetic) political reforms and achieve real justice, i.e. socialism.
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