How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[slimmouse]

Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?

Clearly- you came to distract too.

Don't want to talk about Israel Shamir, slim?

Why not?

Is there something you're afraid of saying?

You want a personal opinion of mine on Israel Shamir? I could probably do you a reasonable trade off with your own thoughts about Alan Dershowitz or Mason Bilderberger if you like, as one of your own recent prefferred sources. Theres one thing I know for a fact about Shamir . Him and Dershowitz are or were apparently both "Jews".

Or Maybe I should copy and paste the English constitution for you, or perhaps the treason felony act, whereupon we can get more serious than youve ever been about considering that there is an illuminati, let alone how to deal with them, by refferring us all to Barking. Can you supply us with any background on your own sources such as Barkun which we might discuss? It might help us establish why these people are epic failures of the genuinely dangerous kind to your or any right minded persons movement.

I keep having this vision of posting a long detailed and strictly factual analysis of my thinking of why there is an illuminati.

Whereupon , it will probably be described by you as a kernel which needs more work.

Theres lots of things we could talk about in fact, in the context of this thread, which might even get it back on track from the OP., whilst were apparently on the subject of distraction.

[American Dream]

Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?

Clearly- you came to distract too.

Don't want to talk about Israel Shamir, slim?

Why not?

Is there something you're afraid of saying?

You want a personal opinion of mine on Israel Shamir? I could probably do you a reasonable trade off with your own thoughts about Alan Dershowitz or Mason Bilderberger if you like, as one of your own recent prefferred sources. Theres one thing I know for a fact about Shamir . Him and Dershowitz are or were apparently both "Jews".

Or Maybe I should copy and paste the English constitution for you, or perhaps the treason felony act, whereupon we can get more serious than youve ever been about considering that there is an illuminati, by refferring us all to Barking. Can you supply us with any background on your own sources such as Barkun which we might discuss? It might help us establish why these people are epic failures of the genuinely dangerous kind to your movement.



Theres lots of things we could talk about in fact, in the context of this thread, which might even get it back on track from the OP., whilst were apparently on the subject of distraction.

Shamir and his opposition to "The Illuminati" is very much in line with the theme of this thread.

What do you think of "Israel Shamir"- do you see him as a bad guy, a good guy, or what?

And why?

[slimmouse]

Well see, the fact that you'll bite merely confirms to me almost since RI "time immemorial", that youre very good at eating, without any particular desire to share.

Please, be my guest. Dershowitz? It might help to highlight the dangers of his ethnicity to his own ethnic construct, not to mention the rest of civilisation.

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Hi, I just joined this forum so I could see what you think of this pamphlet doing the rounds online, “How to Overthrow the Illuminati”, which debunks the whole idea of the Illuminati. This is not a troll post by the way. I just thought it would be interesting to get some views on it. You might think it is disinformation.

http://overthrowingilluminati.wordpr...he-illuminati/
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No dis info, The problem is that "illuminati" is used by everyone differently. what person A on here sees as the Illuminati, person B sees differently. mostly they are just the 20th and 21st century boogey man that is used to describe the general nasty people who have power amd are out only for themselves.
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There is some truth in that article, but it is wrong to imply there is no hidden elite or agenda at all. Perhaps "Illuminati" just isn't the right way to label them..

"Where Illuminati Theory Came From"

It all goes back to John Robison, a Freemason & General Secretary of Britain's neo-Rosicrucian "Royal Society".

That's it. A British Freemason & neo-Rosicrucian created the "Illuminati" theory, & a Jesuit followed suit.

A copy of Robison's "Proofs of Conspiracy" was sent to George Washington, who agreed that the "Illuminati" (or at least their ideology) had an influence in America. Washington even implicated his political rival, Thomas Jefferson, a known supporter of Adam Weishaupt & his group.

Note, it wasn't the Illuminati-sympathizer, Thomas Jefferson, who centralized America's federalist system & invited the banking cartel into America. He was firmly opposed to such things. No, it was the Federalists who did that, namely Alexander Hamilton & George Washington, whose Presidential inauguration was literally a Masonic ceremony! Anti-Illuminati rhetoric was somewhat prominent among Federalists, & for a reason.

The "New World Order" is not a Bavarian Illuminati plot. The New Order of the Ages is flaunted on the American Great Seal, & the symbolism implies Anglo-Israelism, a type of American "Christian" Zionism carried over from the Puritans.

That's the NWO. Nothing to do with Weishaupt, imho.

To this day, American exceptionalists & "Patriots" single out & scapegoat groups like the Bavarian Illuminati, Marxists, or Muslims to mask the real agenda.

See Glenn Beck.. or the John Birch Society..

[American Dream]

Well see, the fact that you'll bite merely confirms to me almost since RI "time immemorial", that youre very good at eating, without any particular desire to share.

Please, be my guest. Dershowitz? It might help to highlight the dangers of his ethnicity to his own ethnic construct, not to mention the rest of civilisation.

So you basically came here to distract then?

[American Dream]

James von Brunn was fighting "The Illuminati", too:


http://historymike.blogspot.com/2009/06 ... cists.html

JUN 10, 2009

On James von Brunn, White Supremacists, and Holocaust Denial


James von Brunn,
photo from his website

It was with great sadness that I learned of the act of racist terror perpetrated today at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum by James von Brunn. The neo-Nazi activist, once jailed for attempting to arrest governors of the Federal Reserve Board, entered the Washington, DC building this afternoon with a rifle and shot museum security guard Stephen Tyrone Johns.

Johns was pronounced dead at George Washington University Hospital a few moments ago, while von Brunn remains in critical condition after other museum guards returned fire.

I have studied at great length the racist right for several years now, and while I am shocked and disturbed by the shooting, it does not surprise me that a neo-Nazi would perpetrate an act like this. Over the past year I have written less on the subject, in part because of my efforts to finish my dissertation.

Yet part of me simply grew tired of writing about the same dysfunctional loons who populate the racist right. I also grew weary of the real-life harassment and cyber-terror these clowns perpetrate, including death threats and employment disruptions carried out by some of the racist vermin who lurk in our midst. However, from time to time I am compelled to weigh in on the various movements that can be lumped together under the catch-all term "white nationalism."

Or maybe my urge to write about white supremacists is more akin to picking a scab over and over again. Who knows?


Screen shot of von Brunn's favorite websites

Von Brunn's writings on his website, Holy Western Empire.org, are the usual hodgepodge of whacked-out conspiracy theorists. His magnum opus, a book entitled Tob Shebbe Goyim Harog, contains a blend of diatribes against the Illuminati, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, and the latest doctrine in the racist canon: Holocaust denial. I read a few chapters looking for some insight into the mind of von Brunn, but essentially this is a cut-and-paste collection of quotes interspersed with von Brunn's delusional ramblings. Here is a typical passage, taken from von Brunn's Foreword:

The Rules of Navigation tell us that to set a new course we first must know where we are; to know where we are we must know where we have been. Therefore, we intend to briefly examine the history of the CONSPIRACY; followed by a description of the CONSPIRACY in action: LIBERALISM/MARXISM/JEWRY; and finally we will offer a plan to remove the cancer from our Cultural Organism. If it is not removed we die.

REMEMBER: White genes cannot be created, they can only be transmitted. We Aryans can always build another State upon the ruins of the old; but once the White genepool is polluted YOU CAN KISS THE BLONDES, REDHEADS AND FAIR SKINNED BRUNETTES GOODBYE FOREVER!

There is little hope in having a reasoned discussion with misguided people who eagerly swallow such tripe, as I have learned over the years. The true believers of the racist right begin with fraudulent pieces of disinformation such as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and theirs is a worldview sustained by the writings of a handful of influential zealots who distort history in their pursuit of goals such as white homelands, forced migration of non-whites, or genocide.

Von Brunn's despicable act today might serve as a temporary wake up call to the world of the dangers posed by the unstable elements among the racist right, but unfortunately I suspect that the shock value of the killing of Stephen Tyrone Johns will only last a few days. The racist thugs who are convinced of a Jewish conspiracy to exterminate whites will continue to spew their idiocy, and occasionally the more demented in their lot will continue to kill.

And most of the rest of us will pretend that the racist right is harmless and should be ignored.

[slimmouse]

Given the nature of response to my request for a quid pro quo vis a vi Shamir and Dershowitz, Ill keep this brief.

I have one real question for Israel Shamir.

HTF does anyone in their right mind convert from "Judaism" to "Christianity"?

. Frying pan and fire immediately springs to mind.

[American Dream]

Given the nature of response to my request for a quid pro quo vis a vi Shamir and Dershowitz, Ill keep this brief.

I have one real question for Israel Shamir.

HTF does anyone in their right mind convert from "Judaism" to "Christianity"?

. Frying pan and fire immediately springs to mind.

So you think Israel Shamir is a messed up character, spewing bullshit?

I do...

[Searcher08]

Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?

Clearly- you came to distract too.

Don't want to talk about Israel Shamir, slim?

Why not?

Is there something you're afraid of saying?

You want a personal opinion of mine on Israel Shamir? I could probably do you a reasonable trade off with your own thoughts about Alan Dershowitz or Mason Bilderberger if you like, as one of your own recent prefferred sources. Theres one thing I know for a fact about Shamir . Him and Dershowitz are or were apparently both "Jews".

Or Maybe I should copy and paste the English constitution for you, or perhaps the treason felony act, whereupon we can get more serious than youve ever been about considering that there is an illuminati, by refferring us all to Barking. Can you supply us with any background on your own sources such as Barkun which we might discuss? It might help us establish why these people are epic failures of the genuinely dangerous kind to your movement.



Theres lots of things we could talk about in fact, in the context of this thread, which might even get it back on track from the OP., whilst were apparently on the subject of distraction.

Shamir and his opposition to "The Illuminati" is very much in line with the theme of this thread.
What do you think of "Israel Shamir"- do you see him as a bad guy, a good guy, or what?
And why?

I think of Israel Shamir the way you probably think about local Northern Irish politics.
In other words, not at all. Why? Not relevant.

I gave as examples two organisations: very highly connected, transnational, extremely powerful, resource rich and occult influenced groups namely the 'Skull and Bones' and the Rothschilds. I have no doubt there are others for example in the Far East, as alluded to by Peter Dale Scott.

If you want to see a distraction in action, try telling the young people in the hood 'there is nothing to see here' and 'read Marx' - when there is a real live Skull&Bones warhawk doing his best to get the US into war. Right here, right now.

And Israel Shamir has Sweet F.A. to do with that.

[minime]

Hello...

The Illuminati is a work in progress, so to speak, its humble roots in antiquity, born of cataclysm and madness and genetics, its monolithic structure still in the planning stages, largely unconscious, waiting for technology to catch up. When the time comes, only the chosen few, still unborn, will be necessary for its implementation.

To the extent that it is possible, it is necessary.

[American Dream]

The fact that Searcher and slim really don't want to own up to having any clear opinions at all regarding Israel Shamir or James von Brunn really says a lot, I feel.

After all, it's kind of a no-brainer, isn't it?

If this is what fighting "The Illuminati" means, then I want nothing to do with that!

[slimmouse]

Hows the rules commitee coming along anyone ? And where can I make a bet on the (r)evolution?

Clearly- you came to distract too.

Don't want to talk about Israel Shamir, slim?

Why not?

Is there something you're afraid of saying?

You want a personal opinion of mine on Israel Shamir? I could probably do you a reasonable trade off with your own thoughts about Alan Dershowitz or Mason Bilderberger if you like, as one of your own recent prefferred sources. Theres one thing I know for a fact about Shamir . Him and Dershowitz are or were apparently both "Jews".

Or Maybe I should copy and paste the English constitution for you, or perhaps the treason felony act, whereupon we can get more serious than youve ever been about considering that there is an illuminati, by refferring us all to Barking. Can you supply us with any background on your own sources such as Barkun which we might discuss? It might help us establish why these people are epic failures of the genuinely dangerous kind to your movement.



Theres lots of things we could talk about in fact, in the context of this thread, which might even get it back on track from the OP., whilst were apparently on the subject of distraction.

Shamir and his opposition to "The Illuminati" is very much in line with the theme of this thread.
What do you think of "Israel Shamir"- do you see him as a bad guy, a good guy, or what?
And why?

I think of Israel Shamir the way you probably think about local Northern Irish politics.
In other words, not at all. Why? Not relevant.

I gave as examples two organisations: very highly connected, transnational, extremely powerful, resource rich and occult influenced groups namely the 'Skull and Bones' and the Rothschilds. I have no doubt there are others for example in the Far East, as alluded to by Peter Dale Scott.

If you want to see a distraction in action, try telling the young people in the hood 'there is nothing to see here' and 'read Marx' - when there is a real live Skull&Bones warhawk doing his best to get the US into war. Right here, right now.

And Israel Shamir has Sweet F.A. to do with that.

Shhh searcher, lets see who comes up next. I'll bet its not Alan Dershowitz. In fact, if I hadnt told anyone in advance, My odds of criticisms of the more immediate and dangeous affrontaries to humanity would be be at least 500000/1

You see, without wishing to offend anyone I know real hard laws of probability more than the best of em

[American Dream]

In other words, slim and Searcher will never say what they really think but they desperately want to derail this thread...

[slimmouse]

In other words, slim and Searcher will never say what they really think but they desperately want to derail this thread...

Serious apologies AD.

In an effort to get this thread back on topic, I would truly appreciate it if you would give me your own defintion of what the point of this thread is?

A few bullet points will be fine. They wont form any kind of kernel, so long as its not like 3 words in total, or another copy pasta.

If its gonna be either of the latter, then you need to be badgering youre particular circles of activism about writing a few emails, or phoning a few radio stations about the upcoming vote on the war with Syria.

Although given your own expressed experience within the field, Im reasonably confident that you will be on with this already?

[coffin_dodger]

Can we have some mod input here, pls?

Is it possible that we can come to some agreement to have a thread entitled 'Investigating the claims of the existence of the Illuminati' or somesuch, which is to be free of accusations of anti-semitism, NAZIism or holocaust denial?

I'm interested in looking into all potential power structures, be they real or imagined. Constant inferrence that anyone interested in this subject is a NAZI because it interests them smacks of a control of speech/thought that I've railed against since 9/11.