Mass Shooting in California

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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 1:53 pm

Elliot Rodger's views on race, beauty, socio-economic status, and white supremacy in his own words:
"The first frustration of the year, which would remain for the rest of my life, was the fact that I was very short for my age. As Fourth Grade started, it fully dawned on me that I was the shortest kid in my class – even the girls were taller than me. In the past, I rarely gave a thought to it, but at this stage I became extremely annoyed at how everyone was taller than me, and how the tallest boys were automatically respected more. It instilled the first feelings of inferiority in me, and such feelings would only grow more volatile with time."
"I am half White, half Asian, and this made me different from the normal fully-white kids that I was trying to fit in with. "
"My first act was to ask my parents to allow me to bleach my hair blonde. I always envied and admired blonde-haired people, they always seemed so much more beautiful. My parents agreed to let me do it, and father took me to a hair salon on Mulholland Drive in Woodland Hills."
"I considered myself to be very “cool” by now. I had gotten better at skateboarding, I had blonde hair, and I dressed like a skateboarder. I felt great anticipation for what the cool kids would think of me once they saw my transformation."
"One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls."
"He was tall, good looking, blonde-haired, and a skateboarder; the type of person I’ve always envied and wanted to be."
"Everywhere I looked I saw beautiful blonde girls walking around. This college was just right for me. "
"During my masturbation sessions I often built elaborate fantasies in my mind that I had a hot, blonde-haired girlfriend to have passionate sex with; almost like having an imaginary girlfriend. "
"I’m obsessed with blondes."
"I did my usual fantasizing about having sex with a beautiful, tall blonde-haired girl "
"I can only imagine how heavenly it would be to walk with a beautiful girlfriend down that street. My life would be complete if I get to do that. It would be the epitome of gratifying perfection. To have a beautiful blonde girl by my side, to feel her hand clasping my own as we walk everywhere together, to feel her love! That is what I want in life. Instead, I had to watch other men experience my idea of heaven while I rot in bitter loneliness."
"When I read about it online I thought it was too good to be true, but there it was. It was exactly as I expected it to be. There were hot blonde girls walking around everywhere. "
"I talked about all the beautiful blonde girls I saw walking around my college, and my deep wish that I will have one day have one as a girlfriend. "
"I saw a lot of beautiful blonde girls in England, just like there were in California."
"But it would be possible for me to get a tall, blonde, sexy girlfriend if I was a multi-millionaire!"
"That Powerball jackpot was meant for me. Once I won it, I’d be able to have my beautiful blonde girlfriend, I’d be able to show the world that girls consider me worthy, I’d be able to show the world how superior I am. "
"After that long, emotional journey; driving toward the sunrise in the middle of the desert, fighting off sleep just to get there in time, visualizing my whole future before me, with a beautiful blonde girlfriend and the children I would have with her... "
"I kept dreaming of the life I would have once I won; the beautiful blonde girlfriend, the luxurious mansion with a magnificent view, all of the exotic cars I would drive to impress girls. It gave me hope. It gave me something to live for. "
"The children I would have in the future with a beautiful blonde girlfriend ceased to exist, as if they were murdered. There won’t be any beautiful blonde girlfriend for me now. "
"As I watched all of those obnoxious boys walking around with their beautiful blonde girlfriends, I wanted to run them all over with my father’s Mercedes SUV. "
"No one invited me to any parties, and in all the times I went out by myself to Isla Vista, none of the beautiful blonde girls showed any interest in having sex with me. Not one girl. These are crimes than cannot go unpunished. "
"I came across this Asian guy who was talking to a white girl. The sight of that filled me with rage. I always felt as if white girls thought less of me because I was half-Asian, but then I see this white girl at the party talking to a full-blooded Asian. I never had that kind of attention from a white girl! And white girls are the only girls I’m attracted to, especially the blondes. How could an ugly Asian attract the attention of a white girl, while a beautiful Eurasian like myself never had any attention from them? I thought with rage. I glared at them for a bit, and then decided I had been insulted enough. I angrily walked toward them and bumped the Asian guy aside, trying to act cocky and arrogant to both the boy and the girl. My drunken state got the better of me, and I almost fell over to the floor after a few minutes of this. They said something along the lines that I was very drunk and that I needed to get some water, so I angrily left them and went out to the front yard, where the main partying happened. Rage fumed inside me as I realized that I just walked away from that confrontation, so I rushed back into the house and spitefully insulted the Asian before walking outside again. "
"Isla Vista was at its wildest state at that time, and I saw lots of guys walking around with hot blonde girls on their arm. It fueled me with rage, as it always had. I should be one of those guys, but no blonde girls gave me that chance."
"After doing a lot of extensive research within the last year, I found out that the sorority with the most beautiful girls is Alpha Phi Sorority. I know exactly where their house is, and I’ve sat outside it in my car to stalk them many times. Alpha Phi sorority is full of hot, beautiful blonde girls; the kind of girls I’ve always desired but was never able to have because they all look down on me. They are all spoiled, heartless, wicked bitches. They think they are superior to me, and if I ever tried to ask one on a date, they would reject me cruelly."
"And then this black boy named Chance said that he lost his virginity when he was only thirteen! In addition, he said that the girl he lost his virginity to was a blonde white girl! I was so enraged that I almost splashed him with my orange juice. I indignantly told him that I did not believe him, and then I went to my room to cry. I cried and cried and cried, and then I called my mother and cried to her on the phone. "
"How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said, and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice! "
"When we sat down at our table, I saw a young couple sitting a few tables down the row. The sight of them enraged me to no end, especially because it was a dark-skinned Mexican guy dating a hot blonde white girl. I regarded it as a great insult to my dignity. How could an inferior Mexican guy be able to date a white blonde girl, while I was still suffering as a lonely virgin? I was ashamed to be in such an inferior position in front my father. When I saw the two of them kissing, I could barely contain my rage. I stood up in anger, and I was about to walk up to them and pour my glass of soda all over their heads. I probably would have, if father wasn’t there. I was seething with envious rage, and my father was there to watch it all. It was so humiliating. I wasn’t the son I wanted to present to my father. I should be the one with the hot blonde girl, making my father proud. Instead, my father had to watch me suffer in a pathetic position. Life is so cruel to me. When I said my farewell to father before he drove home, I felt absolutely miserable. I then went back to my room and sulked for hours. "


This is some sort of serious mental illness at work here, mentally healthy people just dont think like this. A mental illness doesnt excuse of any it, I do believe he may have refused to take meds but I cant confirm I have only heard various reports that he was given meds and refused to take them. But at the very least, in trying to understand this tragic event, a mental illness may help answer some questions.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby brekin » Wed May 28, 2014 1:58 pm

JackRiddler » Wed May 28, 2014 9:17 am wrote:
In fact, she's showing such a strong prejudice against "fat/out of shape/nerd/'loser' type guys" that she can't even perceive that Rodger is not that type of guy at all! Confronted with his statements, she projects her societally conditioned image of the "loser" on him (poor Seth Rogen) and misses the point, spectacularly, that she shares this image of the "loser" with Rodger, and that Rodger is exactly the asshole "winner" type he affects to hate. He's good looking, in shape, educated, owns a BMW, successful in consumerist terms. His problem is that he hasn't gotten his share of available women, probably because he's too obviously a time-bomb. He was just a few adjustments away from being an admired member of his society, at least for a time.


Agreed. Rodger's is more in the mad prince mold then anything approaching Harold and Kumar.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 2:29 pm

So what is it called when someone seems to believe that they are beautiful, perfect, superior to others etc but clearly you can see deep down this same person feels horribly inadequate and not beautiful, perfect or superior to anyone at all.

I guess it is just a simple matter of low self esteem trying to convince itself?
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Wed May 28, 2014 2:38 pm

Is it known whether he ever worked anywhere? Seems like he never worked a day in his life. Did he volunteer? Did he ever do anything other than perpetually think about himself with dad's bankroll.

A responsible father would have made it clear that he needed to learn how the "real world" works. At least for a time. The kid wasn't ugly. He obviously wasn't stupid. He was just psycho with absolutely no grasp of responsibilty.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 2:43 pm

I have not seen anything to indicate he ever had a job, he was in college but apparently dropped out this semester. I seen a person post on reddit who claims that he went to HS with Rodger and he says nobody liked the guy and every one was creeped out by him and he tried very hard to fit in with certain groups. Also said he was a terrible student and barely graduated. He also mentioned that he definitely never had a GF or went on any dates in HS and that Rodger believed girls should be lining up to ask him out, he would go to places were there were girls and just sit by himself waiting for one to come up and hit on him, he never once took the initiative himself to talk to a girl first or ask them out and his definition of being rejected by girls they simply didnt come up and talk to him, not that he went up to them and was rejected or asked them out on a date and was shot down. If there were girls around him and they didnt automatically come up to him and take an interest then he saw that as a rejection, what he calls a "crime and injustice that cannot go unpunished."
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby norton ash » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 pm

What, he wanted to win the Powerball Lotto so he could be rich? Crazy boy really didn't understand that he was born on third base (rich already and Hollywood-connected) if all he wanted was money, material status, trophy women and attention-- in a place where toxic, entitled, cruel narcissists have the time of their lives.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby 82_28 » Wed May 28, 2014 3:40 pm

It seems as though most of these "mass shootings" all come from spoiled rich kids. Even going back to Columbine. Sure it's always fun to speculate away on the .mil CIA connections. But I cannot think of a poor kid going on one of these notable sprees.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 4:14 pm

norton ash » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 pm wrote:What, he wanted to win the Powerball Lotto so he could be rich? Crazy boy really didn't understand that he was born on third base (rich already and Hollywood-connected) if all he wanted was money, material status, trophy women and attention-- in a place where toxic, entitled, cruel narcissists have the time of their lives.

Yea he says in the manifesto he spent 7000 bucks once on the lotto, lost and went in to a rage. He certainly wasnt hurting for money.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby jlaw172364 » Wed May 28, 2014 4:15 pm

I once had an extended conversation with a relatively high-functioning person with mental illness. But only relatively. I talked with the guy for 3 hours because I found the errors in his association patterns fascinating. The conversation was provoked when this couple, students, got up and left from a table with disturbed expressions on their faces after he yelled at them. Why did he yell at them? Because one of them had a book "Learn X Subject for Dummies." Apparently, he thought the word "Dummies" was directed at him. He then related about how one time he smashed a glass window at a bank because of a sign inside that he thought was directed at him as an insult. About halfway in through the conversation, I perceived that he could be a threat to my person, but I kept the conversation going. The threat was that he stated that I reminded him of a type of person that he believed was trying to "control" him. But I digress, the main thing I noticed with him was that he could formulate a grievous insult out of pretty much any word through a corrupted association process. The manifesto of ER reminded me of my conversation with him; the guy had corrupted association patterns and took relatively innocuous events to be grievous insults and persisted with this pattern until it became a vicious cycle.

@82_28

He was handed everything on a silver platter, never had to work for anything, and thus never learned how to build a better version of himself. He expected women to come to him the way the games and toys came to him for years.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Wed May 28, 2014 4:29 pm

Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 4:14 pm wrote:
norton ash » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 pm wrote:What, he wanted to win the Powerball Lotto so he could be rich? Crazy boy really didn't understand that he was born on third base (rich already and Hollywood-connected) if all he wanted was money, material status, trophy women and attention-- in a place where toxic, entitled, cruel narcissists have the time of their lives.

Yea he says in the manifesto he spent 7000 bucks once on the lotto, lost and went in to a rage. He certainly wasnt hurting for money.



Not only that but he used "the law of attraction" to visualize his win and was convinced this would work.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby brekin » Wed May 28, 2014 4:54 pm

82_28 » Wed May 28, 2014 1:38 pm wrote:Is it known whether he ever worked anywhere? Seems like he never worked a day in his life. Did he volunteer? Did he ever do anything other than perpetually think about himself with dad's bankroll.

A responsible father would have made it clear that he needed to learn how the "real world" works. At least for a time. The kid wasn't ugly. He obviously wasn't stupid. He was just psycho with absolutely no grasp of responsibilty.


I do remember reading that his father who was the AD on Hunger Games did employ him on the shoot. I don't have the link handy, but I remember it seemed mid-level, something someone without any experience would be pretty jazzed (and lucky in a nepotistic way) to have. I know he railed about not being talented in a pro-athlete or artist way or smart enough in a Zuckerberg next big thing sense, but it seems via his father (and mother who was a film set nurse for a long while and dated George Lucas among other people) he could have found work in that field. That industry (from an outsiders perspective, Nordic any thoughts?) seems pretty forgiving of social quirks and moral failings, as long as you deliver. I get the sense he idealized his father and felt he couldn't live up to his fathers accomplishments. Since he had Howard Hughes foibles and aspirations, but without Hughes bank account or film acumen, he didn't want to do his time. He wanted the world, he wanted it now, and the world said tough. Cue music:

"I Want It All"
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Adventure seeker on an empty street,
Just an alley creeper, light on his feet
A young fighter screaming, with no time for doubt
With the pain and anger can't see a way out,
It ain't much I'm asking, I heard him say,
Gotta find me a future move out of my way,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,

Listen all you people, come gather round
I gotta get me a game plan, gotta shake you to the ground
Just give me what I know is mine,
People do you hear me, just give me the sign,
It ain't much I'm asking, if you want the truth
Here's to the future for the dreams of youth,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,

I'm a man with a one track mind,
So much to do in one life time (people do you hear me)
Not a man for compromise and where's and why's and living lies
So I'm living it all, yes I'm living it all,
And I'm giving it all, and I'm giving it all,
It ain't much I'm asking, if you want the truth,
Here's to the future, hear the cry of youth,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,
I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now,
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby BrandonD » Wed May 28, 2014 5:00 pm

Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 1:29 pm wrote:So what is it called when someone seems to believe that they are beautiful, perfect, superior to others etc but clearly you can see deep down this same person feels horribly inadequate and not beautiful, perfect or superior to anyone at all.

I guess it is just a simple matter of low self esteem trying to convince itself?


I definitely picked up that impression as well.

I also noticed someone on my fb posted up a video of him dancing in his car to Whitney Houston or something like that. My weekend job is as a DJ and it occurred to me at the time that the song he was filming in his car is requested only by girls and gay guys. This is only a personal observation and means nothing really, but of course I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps he was gay but lived under one of those monstrous right-wing fathers who hates gays.

So he shut the idea out of his mind entirely, but still of course he never "hooked up" with a girl - in his self-created delusion it was because they didn't want him but in reality he had no interest in sexual intimacy with a girl. I would think that living in such a self-imposed exile and self-hatred might drive one to do something crazy.

Just a bunch of idle speculation, I'm a skinny guy who dresses "metrosexual" and have been mistaken as gay a few times, so I know that these sort of generalizations often aren't valid. But I can't help trying to discern what drives someone who is just a person like anyone else to do something terrible and extreme like this.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 5:29 pm

Zombie Glenn Beck » Wed May 28, 2014 4:29 pm wrote:
Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 4:14 pm wrote:
norton ash » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 pm wrote:What, he wanted to win the Powerball Lotto so he could be rich? Crazy boy really didn't understand that he was born on third base (rich already and Hollywood-connected) if all he wanted was money, material status, trophy women and attention-- in a place where toxic, entitled, cruel narcissists have the time of their lives.

Yea he says in the manifesto he spent 7000 bucks once on the lotto, lost and went in to a rage. He certainly wasnt hurting for money.



Not only that but he used "the law of attraction" to visualize his win and was convinced this would work.

LOL yea forgot about that juicy detail.

@Jlaw, yeap, ER took every little thing as a personal slight against him. That is real sickness when youre thinking like that.
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 5:36 pm

BrandonD » Wed May 28, 2014 5:00 pm wrote:
Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 1:29 pm wrote:So what is it called when someone seems to believe that they are beautiful, perfect, superior to others etc but clearly you can see deep down this same person feels horribly inadequate and not beautiful, perfect or superior to anyone at all.

I guess it is just a simple matter of low self esteem trying to convince itself?


I definitely picked up that impression as well.

I also noticed someone on my fb posted up a video of him dancing in his car to Whitney Houston or something like that. My weekend job is as a DJ and it occurred to me at the time that the song he was filming in his car is requested only by girls and gay guys. This is only a personal observation and means nothing really, but of course I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps he was gay but lived under one of those monstrous right-wing fathers who hates gays.

So he shut the idea out of his mind entirely, but still of course he never "hooked up" with a girl - in his self-created delusion it was because they didn't want him but in reality he had no interest in sexual intimacy with a girl. I would think that living in such a self-imposed exile and self-hatred might drive one to do something crazy.

Just a bunch of idle speculation, I'm a skinny guy who dresses "metrosexual" and have been mistaken as gay a few times, so I know that these sort of generalizations often aren't valid. But I can't help trying to discern what drives someone who is just a person like anyone else to do something terrible and extreme like this.

I am seriously wondering if he was impotent, from meds or psychological issues. Kid was 100% convinced no girl would ever want to have sex with him, where the hell does that come from?
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Re: Mass Shooting in California

Postby Hunter » Wed May 28, 2014 5:42 pm

I get the impression IF he did ever talk to any girls it went EXACTLY like this "Hey Im Elliot, my dad worked on Hunger Games, see that car over there, that is my BMW, this sweater I am wearing is Prada cost me five hundred bucks, see these sunglasses....etc etc"


Of course girls are gonna be creeped out and people will mock him and I think that is exactly how he did it.
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