Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Sounder]

Also, why would the curtains even be closed?

Paddock sure seems to be actively involved here. As to his role, who knows.

[DrEvil]

Could be the wind, or to prevent anyone from snooping with a drone.

[stickdog99]

There is a crime scene photo posted at the Daily-Mail that shows very few bullet casings.

This seems odd, for a room where 200 shots were allegedly fired at a security guard and many hundreds more shot at the crowd outside.

Maybe they are all behind the curtain, or maybe the operators are mocking us by showing glaring inconsistencies, knowing that it will all remain behind the curtain because people do not really want to know what is going on.

If you hit 500+ people from that distance, you would have to have shot at least several thousand rounds.

[stickdog99]

So, sampling the above: Shooters in the crowd, 30,000 people there, many of them taking footage even as others are shot right next to them; shooters at the Mandalay Bay, shooters at other casinos, broken glass and presumably bodies at the front of the Bellagio, hundreds of thousands of people on the strip, everyone's got a camera, footage of none of that from any distance; cops, security, instant glass repairmen, reporters, anchors, feds, EMTs, coroners, hospital personnel, everyone who saw something is conforming to the cover-up. Somehow all this killed only 59 people at the concert site, bodies scattered at all the other locations successfully passed off as dead at the concert. Full cover-up, everyone with concrete evidence goes with it and uploads nothing because Vegas needs tourists. Luckily there's a few sites with purported accounts that sound credible to someone, the truth will out. And none of you taking this seriously wants to suggest a motive or a responsible group. Don't get pinned down now. All because one guy with money and means planning this for months is just inconceivable, psychos like that don't exist but a hidden army of them and their fellow-travelers does.

It's not inconceivable that Paddock did this all alone and everything else can be explained by the total incompetence of all responders (as always) and the "fog of panic".

On the other hand, it would be more rigorous if we were to demand of our puppet masters just a smidge of hard evidence and the answers to some obvious questions before convicting their proffered corpse du jour.

Why are you so inclined to believe some old rich dude did this for no discernible reason? He doesn't fit the profile of a mass shooter. In fact, he breaks the mold. And you have attributed no motive to his actions whatsoever other than mass shooting shit happens. So don't get pinned down now.

[JackRiddler]

I'm pinned down? That's funny.

[Grizzly]

Michael Chertoff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Chertoff

Welcome to New World Next Week - the video series from Corbett Report and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source intelligence news. This week:

Story #1: 4chan Warned About Vegas 3 Weeks Early
http://bit.ly/2wwcUee

"Steve was an arms dealer". Set up by arms dealers doing a real life demonstration of their new drone toys
http://bit.ly/2fTFT8G

Users on /pol/ have discovered flight records and a plane that belonged to the Las Vegas Shooter. It is connected to an intelligence contractor who's owner previously worked for the Obama administration.
http://bit.ly/2y2UGoc

The Killers Interviewed By Jimmy Kimmel
http://bit.ly/2knaDAl

Trump, Sheldon Adelson Talked Las Vegas Shooting, Policy At White House Meeting Monday
http://washex.am/2kmlA5j

Complete 9/11 Timeline: Nellis Air Force Base
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“The News” is a Social Construct. It is Used to Program You.
http://bit.ly/2klMw4Y

Story #2: Tech Experts Propose Reserving Stretch Of I-5 For Driverless Cars
http://bit.ly/2knaUTT

Benedict Evans on the Future of Cars
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The "Possible Problems" with #V2X, Vehicle-to-Vehicle Communication
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Story #3: US, Russia Planning To Build Moon Base Together (So Are China, Europe)
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NWNW Flashback: US to Create ‘Space Corps’ in Radical Air Force Overhaul (Jul. 6, 2017)
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[elfismiles]

Explosive possessed by Stephen Paddock may have been used in NYC bombing
In this Sunday, Sept. 18, 2016 file photo, members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) carry on investigations at the scene of an explosion on West 23rd Street and Sixth Avenue in Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood, in New York. (AP Photo/Andres Kudacki, File)
By Mike Brunker Las Vegas Review-Journal
October 5, 2017 - 5:54 pm
Updated October 5, 2017 - 7:10 pm
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... c-bombing/

[elfismiles]

October 5, 2017
Did ‘Mystery Woman’ Help Stephen Paddock In Las Vegas Mass Shooting? ‘Loner’ Paddock Spotted With Companion
by Jonathan Vankin
Shortly after Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo revealed that he found it “hard to believe” that mass shooter Stephen Paddock had no help in planning and setting up the horrific massacre of 58 people — with more than 500 more wounded — on Sunday, a report emerged that investigators were searching for a “mystery woman” who may have some connection to Paddock, and to the deadly machine gun attack on a crowd of concertgoers.
https://www.inquisitr.com/4538749/myste ... las-vegas/

[DrEvil]

@Grizzly: Can you pretty please not use bit.ly links? They're pointless on a forum, and it's really annoying not knowing where a link leads before clicking it. Personally I just ignore them.

[82_28]

I am not saying there is anything to this, but this just occurred to me this morning. I was watching football on CBS on Sunday and there were a lot of teaser ads for the series premier of "Wisdom of the Crowd" to air later that night. I didn't watch it. However, the coincidence is somewhat interesting having happened on the same night of the massacre, as it does appear many are piecing together all that they can come up with to explain and understand what happened on the wisdom of the crowd itself.

Will ‘Wisdom of the Crowd’ become an artificially intelligent CBS crime series?

Any show with the title “Wisdom of the Crowd” better expect a little snark.

Because the wisdom of the crowd didn’t exactly work out with the mobs during the French Revolution, for one example.

In the new CBS show, Jeremy Piven plays billionaire tech innovator Jeffrey Tanner. It’s been a year since his daughter, Mia, was murdered, and he has decided to pursue justice in his own way. Not believing the man who was convicted of the crime is the real killer, Tanner has started an innovative company called Sophe that uses Internet crowdsourcing to find guilty people.

His first order of business is to identify his daughter’s killer. While local police aren’t happy about possibly reopening the case, Tanner is so rich and influential that they assign a detective, Tommy Cavanaugh (Richard T. Jones), to work with him. Though Cavanaugh doesn’t believe they got the right man in Mia’s killing either, he is equally skeptical about Tanner’s sophisticated software and, more importantly, about people’s Constitutional rights being violated.

Not long into the first episode, Sophe begins to have a mind of its own – something that could be dealt with in the future – latching onto a different case, one of a killer and serial rapist.

“Wisdom of the Crowd,” which will bring to mind CBS’s tech procedural “Person of Interest,” gets a pass for now. The first episode addresses a number of interesting issues, although never going too deeply into them.

At one point, the crowd – millions of people online – are shown the face of a man who might provide a lead in a case. Instead of merely finding him, they decide he is the guilty party and put him in the hospital. The lynch-mob mentality is especially disturbing, because he is an immigrant.

While that issue becomes a sticking point with Cavanaugh, the plot doesn’t linger too long on it and soon moves forward. That is expected. After all, this is a mystery, but you hope the show explores subjects like this in more depth in the future.

Otherwise, “Wisdom of the Crowd’s” pilot is a bit buggy in the first episode. At one point, Mr-State-of-the-Art Tanner shows up with a laptop that looks a couple generations too old. Then when the crowd identifies a suspect at a busy train station, of course, they don’t listen to warnings not to get close, and even more puzzling is why there are no police or security around and they have to wait for Cavanaugh to arrive?

Still, Piven and Jones offer a strong presence for this type of show, and Natalia Tena (“Harry Potter,” “Game of Thrones”) works nicely as Sara Morton, Tanner’s head of the project, who gives him some balance and as something of a love interest. Monica Potter plays Tanner’s ex-wife, and in the pilot seems mostly there to provide moments where Tanner can express regret about his life.

“Wisdom of the Crowd” has cleverly tapped into some timely topics to explore in the series, including questions of privacy and ethics in the tech age. On one of the better cable channels, this could be a fairly provocative show, but I suspect on CBS we will settle for an old-fashioned case of the week, with a few interesting moments thrown in.

http://www.dailynews.com/2017/09/29/is- ... me-series/



Anyhow, you got me. Just tossing that out there.

[Brentos]

I hear where JR is coming from. You would think that more ER/Police people, if there were more shooters, would speak up. Though as far as taking video/photos of someone who is shooting an automatic weapon at them, I dont think that is likely. It would not surprise me if it was just Paddock, but on the other hand, it would not surprise me that it was something far more elaborate and esoteric.

[82_28]

Las Vegas shooting: Conspiracy theorists spread rumours about gunman Stephen Paddock amid pictures and rumoured note

Police still have no idea about Paddock's motive – and rumours and conjecture are rushing to fill that gap

Conspiracy theories are continuing to swirl around the Las Vegas shooting, amid the revelation of new pictures and rumours of a note from the killer.

The motives and actions of Stephen Paddock, who killed 59 people who were attending a rock concert, still remain entirely mysterious. It appears to be that near complete lack of information that is helping the falsehoods and theories to spread, as people try desperately to understand what happened that night.

It has now been three days since the attack and those theories are showing no signs of abating, despite there being no meaningful signs that any of them have any basis, and they are perhaps becoming more prevalent. Police are still struggling just as hard to understand why the attack took place, they say.

New pictures leaked from inside the hotel room where Paddock carried out the attack have led to even more fervent speculation. Some claim that one shows a note left on a table inside the room –

Conspiracy theories are continuing to swirl around the Las Vegas shooting, amid the revelation of new pictures and rumours of a note from the killer.

Some who believe the picture show a note suggest that its contents are being hidden from the public. There is not simply no information found, they suggest, but in fact information has been discovered that is being intentionally kept secret – but there is no indication of any coverup, and police appear instead to simply be struggling to put together why Paddock decided to carry out the deadliest mass shooting in recent US history.

Police haven't mentioned the discovery of any note, and the piece of paper in the picture looks just as likely to be a bill or other unimportant document. Authorities have said they have no indication of the motive for the attack, and there has been no suggestion they have read any message from him.

It appears to be that mystery that is leading to the huge amounts of conjecture surrounding the attack. While some details have emerged of Paddock's whereabouts and behaviour on the night, they are incredibly sparse.

What details there have tended to be unexplained and added further mystery to what happened the night of the attack. Police have said that Paddock had an array of cameras inside and outside the room, for instance – and have admitted they do not know what they were being used for, and haven't said if any footage was collected.

Other strange details have led to extra speculation. The local sheriff said that Paddock may have been "radicalised" for instance, but he did not elaborate any further on why he said that or whether police had any concrete indication of his views.

Other unfounded rumours have spread in the aftermath of the attack. Some have suggested that there was actually more than one person shooting out of the hotel, for instance – but that appears to simply be a consequence of the confusion on the night, and police have said that Paddock is the only man they think was involved in the attack.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 83766.html

[JackRiddler]

Speak up? Those taking video at the concert took it despite the bullets and it was online right away. Where is video of the Bellagio and other claimed incidents, or the aftermath?

Why are you so inclined to believe some old rich dude did this for no discernible reason? He doesn't fit the profile of a mass shooter. In fact, he breaks the mold. And you have attributed no motive to his actions whatsoever other than mass shooting shit happens. So don't get pinned down now.

I've listed discernible reasons.

A rich guy deciding to commit mass murder on the multitude? That's like half of history. There is no reason why one out of many would not go the mass shooter route, and use his resources and competencies to innovate and perfect the form. Why, why, you ask, when you know exactly that there have been so many incidents in the past. There are many possible whys and they all add up to some version of sick violent asshole with the means to do it gets into the idea - a large if minority group. There need be no why. But you can't come up with a credible why for staging this - I mean a motive for an actual group doing it, not that Gladio has existed in other cases. Why the hell would a false-flag for political reasons set up some rich white dude? Where's the war or the martial law or the pogrom out of that?
Notwithstanding scenarios wherein Paddock had helpers, by the way, the scenarios of a staged attack are all predicated on the existence somewhere at the back of the plot of rich guys willing to orchestrate mass murder! You just prefer usual suspects. Hello!

[barracuda]

... none of you taking this seriously wants to suggest a motive or a responsible group.

The Strategy of Tension covers a lot of ground around here, doesn't it? Even though any decent implementation of such a strategy might be expected to arouse exactly this sort of spasmic, violent response from an ever critically paranoid, psycho-medicated, alienated population.

Also:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/v ... -news&_r=0

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[Karmamatterz]

Wombat touched on this earlier. Here is more followup on the airplane and who owns it now. This seems to really smell of spooky connections.

http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=51749

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CONTRACTOR SHARES NAME WITH COMPANY THAT BOUGHT PADDOCK’S PLANE IN 2013

October 5th, 2017
Update: Volant, LLC, Volant Associates, LLC, Volant Associates?
Look at the domain contact. Hmm. If they’re different organizations, this is a spectacular coincidence.
Whois volant-associates.com:






http://www.volant-associates.com/

"Volant Associates proudly serves the current needs of our customers while helping address the future challenges for the nation’s defense and intelligence communities. Volant’s mission is to provide the industry’s preeminent professionals to discriminating U.S. government and intelligence-and-defense-industry customers.

Recruitment and retention of top-tier professional talent is the priority at Volant. Our firm is composed of individuals with security clearances at the highest levels of the United States government. Because our associates are dedicated, driven, educated, and experienced, customers rely on our associates to address the most complex challenges—in locations around the globe.

Volant Associates is a Service-Disabled, Veteran-Owned, Small Business based in northern Virginia.
CAGE Code: 4ZTT6
DUNS Number: 006077738"

And from a teabagger site: http://ussanews.com/News1/2017/10/04/th ... ce-agency/