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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:31 pm

82_28 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:10 pm wrote:Although this thread is veering off topic, I will warn that when it comes to edibles be very careful. I remember one time I ate some infused popcorn and I sat down and said to myself, so this is what it's like to lose your mind. I was unaware at the time that I was eating it.

It's actually why I am against readily available edibles. Just smoke or vape your weed, I say.


I have smoked pot since I was 13 and do not do edibles.

I first experimented with edibles when was taught the technology of using butter and made what we referred to as "fucker" cookies in the early 70s.

The first time (and my "teacher") brought these green sugar cookies with a carefully painted marijuana leaf when we went to a Zappa concert at Berkeley Community Theatre. The thrill went to active dislike within weeks. We did have one excellent (and full of laughter) party where the young women present painted each other with raw green "fucker" cookie dough when in bathing suits. That might have been lsd influenced.

The only way pot that has ever given me anxiety attacks. Too much pot stays too imbedded in one's system or something like that.

Two things bring up an odd taste in my mouth when near; marijuana butter edibles and 24D herbicide (such as in weed and feed).
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:22 pm

82_28 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:10 pm wrote:Although this thread is veering off topic, I will warn that when it comes to edibles be very careful. I remember one time I ate some infused popcorn and I sat down and said to myself, so this is what it's like to lose your mind. I was unaware at the time that I was eating it.

It's actually why I am against readily available edibles. Just smoke or vape your weed, I say.


I would probably still be a vaper but I threw some very serious pulmonary emboli , on top of years of "bong lung",
I no longer felt safe with smoke in my lungs.
But yes you must be careful with edibles, luckily I know a baker whose type and amounts are very consistent.
I will say the first time I ate an infused peanut butter cup I was stoned all evening Sunday and all day Monday at work!
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:20 am

I pretty much only partake in edible form. Finally getting around to it this weekend in the woods with a bunch of friends after a long hiatus.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:35 am

This has been getting a lot of action on social media lately, I had thrown some weight behind this fight early on so I'm glad to see that it is still on.

Dakota Access Pipeline: Standing Rock Sioux Issue Urgent Appeal to United Nations Human Rights Officials

The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and the International Indian Treaty Council have appealed to the United Nations for help in their fight against construction of the Dakota Access oil pipeline under the Missouri River on Treaty lands a half-mile from the reservation.

“We specifically request that the United States Government impose an immediate moratorium on all pipeline construction until the Treaty Rights and Human Rights of the Standing Rock Tribe can be ensured and their free, prior and informed consent is obtained,” Chairman Dave Archambault and the Treaty Council said in their appeal to top U.N. human rights officials.

As a matter of extreme urgency, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and Treaty Council jointly submitted an urgent action communication to four U.N. human rights Special Rapporteurs citing “ongoing threats and violations to the human rights of the Tribe, its members and its future generations.” The tribe’s water supply is threatened by construction of the Dakota Access pipeline, which was permitted by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in late July, despite the objections of three federal agencies including the federal Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of the Interior and the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation.

“Its proposed route is in close proximity to the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation and the Missouri River, the main source of water for the Tribe,” the appeal said of the $3.8 billion, 1,172-mile-long pipeline, which would wend its way through four states and carry up to half a billion barrels of oil daily from the Bakken oil fields. “This pipeline’s construction is being carried out without the Tribe’s free, prior and informed consent in direct contradiction to their clearly expressed wishes.”

A hearing on the tribe’s request for an injunction is scheduled in Washington, D.C. federal court on Wednesday August 24.

Standing Rock Sioux Chairman David Archambault II and others have emphasized the peaceful nature of the gathering, saying only that they want to protect the water.

They are calling for a halt to construction at least until the court hearing that will examine the tribe’s request for an injunction as part of a lawsuit filed against the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for its lack of a comprehensive review on the project. Construction was officially halted by Energy Transfer, the company building the pipeline, but reports have surfaced of work being done across the Missouri River from the camp, on the South Dakota side.

The Dakota Access pipeline violates tenets of the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, including the “right to health, right to water and subsistence, threats against sacred sites including burial grounds, Treaty Rights, cultural and ceremonial practices, free prior and informed consent, traditional lands and resources including water, productive capacity of the environment, and self-determination,” the appeal said. It cites environmental racism stemming from the Army Corp’s decision not to locate the pipeline north of Bismarck over concerns it would endanger the city’s water supply, while issuing permits to trench through burial grounds and the Tribe’s main water supply. This is a direct violation of the human right to water, the appeal said.

“This submission calls attention to the urgent and worsening threats and violations of the human rights and ways of life of Standing Rock Sioux Tribe who depend greatly for their means of subsistence and their physical and cultural health upon the Missouri River,” the appeal said, citing a myriad of oil spills and leakages.

“The Dakota Access Pipeline poses an imminent threat to the Missouri River due to potential contamination by oil spills directly impacting the Tribe’s drinking water,” the appeal continued. “Based on data from a large number of oil pipelines, spills of toxic oil are a near certainty. Most experts believe it is not a matter of if but when such a spill will contaminate the ground and river water upon which the Tribe depends.”

The appeal was addressed directly to Michel Forst, U.N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights defenders; Victoria Tauli-Corpuz, Special Rapporteur on the rights of Indigenous Peoples; Léo Heller, Special Rapporteur on the human right to safe drinking water and sanitation, and John Knox, Special Rapporteur on human rights and the environment. Others alerted include the High Commissioner on Human Rights; the U.S. Department of State, the Ambassador of the United States to the United Nations Human Rights Council, the office of Multi-Lateral and Global Affairs/Democracy Human Rights and Labor, and the White House.

ND Gov. Declares Emergency

Meanwhile, as peaceful protests continued on the site and at the state capitol for the second week, North Dakota Gov. Jack Dalrymple declared a state of emergency in several counties as construction was halted on site as thousands of water protectors arrived and camped along the river.

Declaring a state of emergency paves the way for more funding for public safety and other resources to be mobilized “for the purpose of protecting the health, safety and well-being of the general public and those involved in the protest,” the governor’s office stated in a press release, noting that it does not activate the National Guard. “The executive order can help the state and local agencies manage costs associated with providing a heightened law enforcement presence and activates the State Emergency Operations Plan to coordinate the efficient flow of resources.”

Some North Dakota residents are questioning why taxpayers are footing the bill for law enforcement manpower to protect a wealthy billionaire who owns Energy Transfer Partners, the owner of Dakota Access Pipeline LLC.

In Iowa, residents are also suing the government, saying that Dakota Access LLC illegally wielded eminent domain to obtain rights of way on their land. That right rests solely with utility companies, they have argued in court. A ruling is pending on that as well, according to The DesMoines Register. Construction has begun in all four states.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby DrEvil » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:56 pm



Didn't say you do, but an acknowledgment that you completely misunderstood my previous post would be nice.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby NeonLX » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:53 pm

I loves me dat weed.

I want so badly to hop in the rusty old minivan and head west to be part of the resistance in the face of that pipeline. I have many native friends, including my girlfriend. I did contribute some money to the cause...
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:33 pm

PufPuf93 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:31 pm wrote:
Two things bring up an odd taste in my mouth when near; marijuana butter edibles and 24D herbicide (such as in weed and feed).


Maybe its the concentrated terpenes in both?
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:42 pm

Burnt Hill » Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:33 pm wrote:
PufPuf93 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:31 pm wrote:
Two things bring up an odd taste in my mouth when near; marijuana butter edibles and 24D herbicide (such as in weed and feed).


Maybe its the concentrated terpenes in both?


Alas that is probably so, terpenes being the compounds that often impart odor.

Those two "odd taste" are unpleasant tastes for me. :grumpy
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Sep 12, 2016 5:22 pm

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:46 am

El niño abating has done nothing that they promised it would. It's going to be a weird winter.

Record-smashing August means long-awaited ‘jump’ in global warming is here
Every month of 2016 has set a temperature record.

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We appear to be in the midst of the long-awaited jump in global temperatures.

And that means “The kinds of extreme weather we have seen over the past year or so will be routine all too soon, but then even worse records will be set,” as Kevin Trenberth, one of the world’s leading climatologists, told me.

NASA has reported that last month was not merely “the warmest August in 136 years of modern record-keeping,” it tied with this July 2016 for the “warmest month ever recorded.” And for 11 straight months (starting October 2015), the world has set a new monthly record for high temperature.
So even though 2014 set the record at the time for the hottest year — and then 2015 crushed that record, NASA says there is a greater than 99 percent chance 2016 will top 2015. And it probably won’t be close according to this projection tweeted out by NASA’s Gavin Schmidt:
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Why does this string of record-setting months and years matter? As I reported last year, climatologists have been expecting a “jump” in global temperatures. There is “a vast and growing body of research,” as Climate Central explained in February 2015 that “humanity is about to experience a historically unprecedented spike in temperatures.”

A March 2015 study, “Near-term acceleration in the rate of temperature change,” makes clear that an actual acceleration in the rate of global warming is imminent — with Arctic warming rising a stunning 1°F per decade by the 2020s.

More than 90 percent of global heating goes into the oceans (see excellent article here) — and ocean warming has accelerated in recent years. Climatologist Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research explained here in 2013 that “a global temperature increase occurs in the latter stages of an El Niño event, as heat comes out of the ocean and warms the atmosphere.”

Well, we are indeed at the end of an El Niño event, and we have indeed seen a big global temperature increase. In April 2015, Trenberth told me thought “a jump is imminent.” Previously he had explained that this jump could be 0.2°C or 0.3°C, which is to say up to 0.5°F! That change would happen “relatively abruptly,” but last for 5 or 10 years before it jumped again.

It looks like Trenberth was right (though it will take a few years to know for sure). When I asked him to comment on the stunning jump in global temperatures we’ve seen in the last 18 months, he said:
“The increase in carbon dioxide and other heat trapping gases from human activities is relentless. The effects on global mean surface temperatures can be masked by natural variability for a decade or a bit more, but as the natural variability goes in the other direction, suddenly it is quite a different story and record after record gets broken.”

That’s where we are. Global temperatures often jump over a couple years, then they rise more slowly, like a staircase (or ladder) where the steps are sloped up. The climate science deniers make a lot of noise during the short periods of slower warming, and stay strangely quiet during the jumps. Go figure!

Trenberth explains that “the nature of the changes going on now suggest that we have made another step up the ladder to another rung, and we won’t go down again.” That means the recent bouts of extreme weather “will be routine all too soon, but then even worse records will be set. It is not something to welcome and it is hard to plan for.”

It is time to slash carbon pollution so we can stop climbing this stairway of ever-worsening extreme weather and climate change.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby backtoiam » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:21 pm

Gov. Jerry Brown Signs Law Regulating Cow Farts, Landfills


SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) – Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Monday that regulates for the first time greenhouse-gas emissions tied to dairy cows and landfills, an escalation of California’s efforts to fight climate change beyond carbon-based gases to include methane and other pollutants.

The move by the Democratic governor targets a category of gases known as short-lived climate pollutants, which have an outsize effect on global warming despite their relatively short life in the atmosphere. Environmentalists hope that tackling short-lived pollutants now would buy time to develop new and more affordable technology to reduce carbon emissions.

The legislation will require steep reductions in a variety of pollutants, including methane; HFC gases used in aerosols and air conditioning refrigerants; and soot, known as black carbon. It’s tied to $90 million in funding for the dairy industry and garbage collectors.

“This bill curbs these dangerous pollutants and thereby protects public health and slows climate change,” Brown said in a statement.

Republicans said the strict regulations will hurt agricultural businesses, despite concessions made to dairy farmers.

They will be required to reduce methane emissions from manure to 40 percent below their 2013 levels by 2030, with the help of $50 million from the state’s fee charged to polluters, known as cap-and-trade.

The money will help a handful of them buy dairy digesters, which use methane from manure to generate energy that’s sold to electrical utilities.

The legislation also allows the Air Resources Board to regulate cow flatulence if there’s viable technology to reduce it.

Lawmakers approved the measure on the last day of the legislative session after Brown negotiated a compromise with dairy farmers, some environmental groups and the bill’s author, Democratic Sen. Ricardo Lara of Bell Gardens, almost exclusively with Democratic support.

“With these bold and ambitious goals, we’ll continue to set the standard for climate policy worldwide,” Lara said in a statement.

While some environmental groups supported the legislation, others were angry that Brown and Lara made concessions to ease the transition for the dairy industry, including postponing mandates until 2024.

The new law also pushes for a significant increase in composting to reduce organic waste, which emits methane when it breaks down in landfills. It calls for a boost of 50 percent within four years.



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This belongs in the Onion thread. You just can't make this "shit" up, and you don't have to, because the architects of these scams provide plenty of this, uh, manure on their own.

First off bovines have been farting into the atmosphere longer than anybody can probably accurately calculate. It is termed as a "short-lived climate pollutant" which is a multi million dollar phrase to complicate the reality that cow farts dissipate harmlessly into the atmosphere. Not to mention that cow manure is one of the best land fertilizers in existence as it nurtures and feeds the soil. Bovines eat the plants and their manure makes it grow back again.

It’s tied to $90 million in funding for the dairy industry and garbage collectors.


No kidding, of course it is. It is called "squeeze money" to drive the smaller players out of the industry. While the medium and smaller sized dairy farmer and garbage collection players are driven out of business the large dairy and garbage operations connected to crony capitalism will reap millions of windfall dollars as they seize total control of the dairy and garbage industries. This will put the citizens of the U.S. at the mercy of a greedy and ruthless monopoly.

The notoriously corrupt garbage collection industry will now squeeze out the medium and small players while the big players connected to the "big boys" will continue to do business as usual. The same amount of garbage will be processed in more or less the same ways and the reduction in pollution will basically amount to nothing or actually increase to the abusive effects of monopolies.

The legislation also allows the Air Resources Board to regulate cow flatulence if there’s viable technology to reduce it.
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Its those cows!

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Really? And how will nationwide cow fart gases in the atmosphere be measured? It cannot be measured. It is impossible to measure this. They cannot even measure it but are already regulating it. "bring out the measuring instruments guys I think there is cow farts in this here air." Milk will become a more polluted product and a perceived luxury for those that can afford to poison themselves with it.

Lawmakers approved the measure on the last day of the legislative session after Brown negotiated a compromise with dairy farmers, some environmental groups and the bill’s author, Democratic Sen. Ricardo Lara of Bell Gardens, almost exclusively with Democratic support.


Last day. Of course it was done on the last day to stifle debate because it is so ridiculous. "Compromise with dairy farmers" read as helping Big Ag drive the smaller players out of business. Go Democratic Party you have been so kind to the little folk!

"Cap and Trade", cap the smaller businesses ability to operate while the super corperations trade with each other.


“With these bold and ambitious goals, we’ll continue to set the standard for climate policy worldwide,” Lara said in a statement.

That is probably the only accurate piece of information in this legislation. Bold with hubris and ridiculous claims. Worldwide cow fart management. Hooray we have been saved from the evil cow farts and meaningless and hollow promise of better garbage management. What a farce. I guess fluoride really does make people stupid.

Next our school curriculum will have pictures of cows shitting with a big red X on it labeled "cow doo doo bad!", if it isn't already in there. :wallhead:

It is too bad that God is not real so that he could bless the American public with some God Damn intelligence before it becomes illegal to recognize this religion. This is on par with the religion of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:35 pm

Just two charts will explain that for you. Keep in mind with this first chart that we are already at 7.4 billion people in global population today and that we only just passed the 7 billion mark in late 2011 (6 billion in 1999).

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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby backtoiam » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:44 pm

I have seen that sort of information and I still think regulating cow farts is a scam. The dairy industry started the assault on small dairy years ago and this is just a furthering of it. It started with labeling raw milk as dangerous. Pasteurizing milk kills off good probiotics and people became aware of this. Raw milk sales were on the rise. Big dairy couldn't allow that so they attacked. Regardless of methane studies I see this as an attempt to attack small organic dairy.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:54 pm

All of the corporate farms should be scattered to the wind and replaced with small independent (and especially vertical) farms, and I don't give a hoot about legislation. It should be done so by the people. It also doesn't negate the fact that methane is an insanely dangerous greenhouse gas to be pumping into the atmosphere at the rate that we are - from livestock, fracking, livestock, melting permafrost, humans, coal, oil, landfills, etc. We have already entered a cycle of positive feedback loops related just to methane alone, especially in melting permafrost and from warming at the sea floor caused by industrial pollutants and fed by already-released greenhouse gases.

Livestock makes up 27% of human-caused methane release which is a huge chunk proportional to the other factors.
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Re: How Bad Is Global Warming?

Postby backtoiam » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:00 pm

Livestock makes up 27% of human-caused methane release which is a huge chunk proportional to the other factors.


Millions of buffalo didn't crash mother nature. If these buffoons want to do something about methane then they should do it instead of devising corporate scams. I appreciate that you believe it and support it but I don't. That doesn't make either of us a bad person, just a difference in opinion.

I agree with you that the dairy monopolies should be shuttered and managed by smaller local independent operations tied to the needs and benefits of the locals. Everybody would benefit.
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