TRUMP is seriously dangerous

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:01 am

.

So not a surprise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... ntestants/

Former Miss Arizona: Trump ‘just came strolling right in’ on naked contestants

Tasha Dixon, Miss Arizona in 2001, told the TV station that Trump just came “waltzing in” while contestants were nude or half-nude as they changed into bikinis.

Separately, BuzzFeed reported Wednesday that four women in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Trump walked into their dressing room while they were changing. Some were as young as 15, BuzzFeed reported.

Three spoke anonymously, and one allowed her name to be used. “I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,'” Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, told BuzzFeed.

Trump, she told BuzzFeed, said “something like ‘Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.'”

The Trump campaign, BuzzFeed said, did not respond to requests for comment. And BuzzFeed reported that 11 more women who had been contestants in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant said they “did not recall seeing Trump in the dressing room. Some said they do not believe he could have been there.”

As for Tasha Dixon, she only confirmed what Trump told Howard Stern, except with detail. She described to the Los Angeles TV station her experience with Trump as a contestant in 2001 in a dressing room where she and others were changing into bikinis:

He just came strolling right in. There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked.

Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half naked changing into our bikinis.

To have the owner come waltzing in, when we’re naked, or half naked, in a very physically vulnerable position and then to have the pressure of the people that worked for him telling us to go fawn all over him, go walk up to him, talk to him, get his attention.

She suggested that such opportunities were among the reasons Trump owned beauty pageants.


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dada » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:08 am wrote:It seems to me that there's a desire to explain Donald's behavior away for the sake of 'social cohesion,' or whatever.

You know, 'Donald is just acting like a rich guy.' 'All guys in the locker room don't talk this way.'

Yeah, no shit. So?

We just want it to go away, for things to get back to the dysfunctional normal. As long as it isn't on the screen right in front of us, it's all good.


me wrote:It's a conundrum. You can't say his expressions or the actual behaviors he is bragging about are unique. They do reflect a kind of male mentality that is widespread, and they explicitly reflect the power and impunity of rich men, since after all he says one can do these things and fear no consequences "when you are a star." It's hard to find the proper weighting between condemning it as individually repulsive (and possibly indicating actionable criminal acts), recognizing that there is something systemic in it and that this also must be addressed, yet not falling into the trap of those who would accept it as normal because so many do it. That is Trump's own excuse, it's just a normal kind of "talk" in certain contexts that can be seen as exclusive from others.

That this comes from an operator whose career largely consisted at the time in getting ratings and accolades for slagging on women in reality TV and running beauty pageants is also part of the context. There's a market out there, and there is an effort to compatmentalize between the significance and effect of industrialized beauty pageants, which are kept acceptable and unrelated to the rape culture that obviously surrounds them and is attracted to them.

The Republicans abandoning Trump want to turn it into a purge ritual, as though their own culture and attitudes and policies toward women are completely unrelated. The Democrats want full otherization, as though nothing of the sort could happen in their ranks, or as though the future chief economic advisor to the Clinton White House is not himself accused of the same behavior, and may have done it alongside Trump on the same Epstein plane. The Trump supporters seek to completely trivialize it as harmless, or even healthy, or else to acknowledge it as unacceptable but reduce it by comparison to some other, unrelated, greater atrocity elsewhere. That is also his strategy: "Why you grabbing pussy?" "What about ISIS!"


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:11 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:09 am

When I say that I've heard other men talk like this, I'm not saying it to normalize it, I'm saying it as a horrifying warning because it's definitely hidden most of the time (as evidenced by this week). I get what Joe Amaechi is trying to say about it not being "locker room talk" out of a need to make Trump look like as much of a monster as he is, but I have such a hard time believing he hasn't heard other sexual aggressors bragging about it in the company of other men.

And these men will come to blows if another man challenges their right to talk about it or do it. One kid on the block growing up was like this and I was in probably hundreds of fistfights with him in my younger years. And you know what, I probably failed! Despite probably "winning" more than half those fights, I guarantee that guy still grew up assaulting women and that I didn't do enough. I do believe that it's up to men to stop this as I've read countless times this week, but other than chemical castration I'm not sure what else I could have done to hinder sexual assault.

I have no answers, other than the standard "keep society progressing" and "better mental healthcare."
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:33 pm

Society must progressively identify and eliminate societal causes of mental illness.

We could start with the elimination of 2-party politics.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:49 pm

one down one to go

it only took 160 years for one to collapse ....patience :D
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:08 pm

Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:33 am wrote:Society must progressively identify and eliminate societal causes of mental illness.

We could start with the elimination of 2-party politics.


We're getting that in spades.

No one will be elected.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:15 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:18 pm




No one is getting elected.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:19 pm

does that mean my town won't have a mayor?



The Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov in a recent interview with CNN's Amanpour:

Amanpour: Russia had its own Pussy Riot moment. What do you think of Donald Trump's pussy riot moment?
Lavrov: Well, I don't know whether this would ... English is not my mother's tongue and I don't know whether - I don't know - whether I would sound - I mean - decent. There are so many pussies around your presidential campaigns on both sides that I prefer not to comment.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:27 pm




Link please?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby norton ash » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:34 pm

Hush, now. Nobodaddy hath decreed that no-one is getting elected.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:03 pm

I'm laughing out loud.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:42 pm



Vinay Gupta has his short analysis up, I've been saying such in private since before May.

https://twitter.com/leashless/status/785447056353726465
https://twitter.com/leashless/status/785474340678696961

But yeah, no election.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:50 pm

General Patton » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:42 pm wrote:


Vinay Gupta has his short analysis up, I've been saying such in private since before May.

https://twitter.com/leashless/status/785447056353726465
https://twitter.com/leashless/status/785474340678696961

But yeah, no election.


Not satire? You and Vinay Gupta (whoever he is) actually believe that?

One more question: are you a betting man?
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