RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[Penguin]

nothing, actually

[2012 Countdown]

So I'm reading this thread here, and am on page 8-9ish...and I too have no clue as to what is going on.
I tried at first to follow, but personally speaking, I think I'm going to give up. This doesn't seem to concern me, nor can i possibly help in any regard, other than to post this entry stating a question of- WTF is going on in here?

But some have attempted to reveal what is going on...I just am incapable of understanding, or committing the time required to do so. I dunno. Maybe I will continue to read the thread, but so far, I am lost.

[Cordelia]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background

Done. I just posted a general warning announcement in GD.

And be cautious of anyone posing as a kind of 'Welcome Wagon' for new members.

[DoYouEverWonder]

You people have no fucking clue what those guys are like. They would kill this forum in a week if it was targeted.

Fuck you all.

They've already ruined at least 5 or 6 forums that I know about, including PI.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Up to this point, I have references to point members to both here and at UC. This is all backstory and what comes next involves DreamsEnd and his gaslighting. Unfortunately that history is lost although if you read the last few pages of the Abduction thread I've referenced you'll see only remnants of what transpired on his own original blog and forum and ultimately, his own suspicions. And it is at this point that I'd like to propose his reinstatement here because if we are to fully expose what transpired, it will not be complete without his input. I believe DE is a good guy but understand that we may not all be in agreement. I don't even know if he he would agree to this but suspect he would because he has paid as much of a price in this ultimately as anyone (living). I know there is bad blood here but it would ultimately shed an even stronger light on all that happened and will continue to happen. I believe he is owed a voice here and would like to see him given it. That, FWIW, is my proposal.

That said, we continue...

The term "perfect shitstorm" is aptly applied to what transpired next and included a forum three-way for a time, RI, UC and DE's forum. I can only imagine the ecstasy felt by the crew at that moment, playing off the membership at all three forums. It was this that ultimately led to the banning of Patricia Davis, Susano and one other member at UC who was ultimately reinstated and continues to partake in the "When there are Witnesses" thread. That user goes by Second Wind. It may be that this user was found by the Admin there as not connected to the other two but as long as that thread exist, the drama that transpired a few years ago now is brought up from time to time. Call it a legacy if nothing else. We know how that goes don't we.

Hard not to get ahead of myself. So we now have a three way going, with DE's article on Strieber/MC and his creation of his own forum being the next logical place for the crew to mindfuck with. This is one part of the storm. It's also during this time that OSR finally makes an appearance at RI, what with the set-up in place. As ET says, it was a meteoric rise and fall, but quite telling while she shined brightly. Of particular note was her interaction with Joe Hillshoist and, in general, the fairly rapid style with in which she revealed her true self. I think she understood that there were some here onto her already. A careful study of that style reveals much, as she is quite fond of wordplay, hidden references to obscure fortean, MC, SRI personalities and the like. This is also reflected in the styles of ET in Arcadia, Eve, Kid Kenoma, Tina Delgado, TeriLee and several other personalities that have come and gone. Always aggressive to a point, confident, oblique and always referencing at some point, MC/RA, Scientology, SRI and the personalities associated with all of these issues, some well known, many obscure. No one can say that this person hasn't done the research. The supposed ARG "The Last Statue" is filled with these kinds of references and TeriLees recent attempt to direction people to the Jejune Institute website also connects with west coast fuckery from the seventies. It is always what lends this person a certain aura of mystery which is key to keeping those targeted of interest. It also always tends to have a chameleon like nature to it, being the thing that the particular targeted person is most interested in.

This leads to what can only be guessed at with regards to Theresa Duncan. If one examines what was attempted by OSR on Joe Hillshoist and then apply that to what may have been attempted on Theresa Duncan, one can see where a much weaker, fragile and somewhat unbalanced person could really and truly be fucked with. I don't doubt that the period of time between the posting of OSR's essay and the appearance in that thread of many personalities Theresa Duncan may have found sympathetic to her ongoing struggles, and the time of her death less than a year later, that some interaction took place, either by PM or e-mail. There are a few very short but cryptic (again, in OSR style) comments on the Duncan blog that correspond to the time frame between the posting of the essay here and Duncan's taking of her own life. There was also a comment made awhile back by ET in Arcadia Eve to the effect that she was being messed with but that it was a surprise to those doing the messing that she took the final out. And again, what's the common theme? RA/MC, Scientology and at this point RI. This is the nexus. Duncan's suicide became another aspect of the Perfect Shitstorm and much to the detriment to DE and this forum, many of the players were already in place. One could argue that there is separation between these two crews, OSR's and that of ET in Arcadia Eve, but said argument would be tenuous at best. DE somehow didn't seem to connect the two (or maybe he did -DE?) and it was shortly after that that the idea of an ARG of some kind was being played out as a hypothesis was proposed be DE. And sure enough, that's exactly what he got. One created especially for him.

It's also worthwhile to note that at this time, the transition of the players from the use of forum membership, which was still useful, became diminished in importance (especially here) and the increase in the use of blogs and blog comments became the preferred way to lure the marks into the game. But make absolutely no mistake. There is no Alternate Reality to be found here. This is all real time, fuck with yer head reality.

I would really like to hear from others at this point, including DE, because I'm simply guessing here. I think it makes sense but there is much that went on that I simply wasn't privy too or interested in at that point. Others not connected to the crew became players - BrownZeroed for one and for different reasons. It was a very difficult time here.

Now an apology...

Sorry I don't write so good. I wish Compared2What? was here for to inspire me.

[Project Willow]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background

Done. I just posted a general warning announcement in GD.

And be cautious of anyone posing as a kind of 'Welcome Wagon' for new members.

If you are referring to your own unwelcome welcome here, or to me specifically, then have straight out with it, and now please, so that it doesn't pop up unexpectedly in an unrelated thread. If you're reacting to my statement about survivors, make no mistake, I include my self in that caution also.

I would have thought the length and intensity of this thread would have enhanced your understanding of the reactivity you first encountered here, rather than the opposite. What a shame.

[2012 Countdown]

Well, I'm still baffled. Although I've picked up the idea that this is probably a good, and common, thing. So, to get this straight, a group of about three individuals have been using sock puppets to disrupt the group, apparently aiming at some particular level of disruption this month, and they are ARGers. Still not entirely sure what one of those is, I'll have to look it up. Some sort of treasure hunt by the looks of it. And 8bitagent, who I had believed to be a popular and respected poster, was one of them or their sock puppets or something along those lines. And for several years now this has all been going on behind the scenes while the rest of us have mostly failed to notice.

And people say I'm paranoid for seeing shadowy cabals behind everything. Still, thanks would seem to be in order to the covert forces of light, although at this stage I'm still not entirely sure what for.

DITTO.

Okay, just a minor point of clarification on this 8bit handle, as i read that as you, but it was only inferred. So... 8bit is/was a sock puppet?

[Cordelia]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background

Done. I just posted a general warning announcement in GD.

And be cautious of anyone posing as a kind of 'Welcome Wagon' for new members.

If you are referring to your own unwelcome welcome here, or to me specifically, then have straight out with it, and now please, so that it doesn't pop up unexpectedly in an unrelated thread. If you're reacting to my statement about survivors, make no mistake, I include my self in that caution also.

I would have thought the length and intensity of this thread would have enhanced your understanding of the reactivity you first encountered here, rather than the opposite. What a shame.

Whoa. As best as I've been able to understand it, this thread has been enlightening, but more so sobering.

If I'd been referring to my own clumsy (at best) entry onto the board, this would be a very sarcastic comment made by me. But, I meant, be cautious of PM's posing as a personal 'Welcome Wagon'. The effort might be sincere, and it might not.

I'm sorry that wasn't clear. Please let me know, PM, if there's continued misunderstanding.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Now an apology...

Sorry I don't write so good.

Nonsense. Outstanding breakdown, CC. I have some things to add to it, but it will have to wait until I am off work.

Bravo.

I also agree that Dream's End should be given the opportunity to tell his side of things. I think he has been viciously manipulated over a protracted period by some very crafty, nasty fucking people and has a right to speak.

[Jeff]

I also agree that Dream's End should be given the opportunity to tell his side of things. I think he has been viciously manipulated over a protracted period by some very crafty, nasty fucking people and has a right to speak.

He's forfeited his right to speak here, and I caution every member against permitting him the cultivatation of your trust.

[DeltaDawn]

Wow, I've followed this thread from beginning to end. At first I was just plain confused but still that scary feeling wouldn't leave.

Then thank you very, very much (too many to name) but Ego & Cosmic for finally explaining what the thread was about.

Somewhere through the thread I kinda felt like, wow, I came on as a survivor, guess they think I might be a part of this 'mindtrick' game.

Now the last few pages, I'm just scared for myself. Victims are committing suicide, being stalked, harrassed, forced to go in hiding and I'm left anxious and afraid. I know from my own life, that these things happen, victims are NOT to talk, and when you do, bad things can happen, and unfortunately usually do.

Please keep informing the ignorant such as myself, this has been such an enlightening thread, and the reason I came to RI in the first place.

[sunny]

I'm glad you cleared that up Cordelia because at one time I tried to welcome new members to the best of my ability. Didn't want anyone thinking I had a nefarious agenda.


I do agree with Cosmic Cowbell--it all started with the Monarch/Alien abduction thread.

[Telexx]

Now an apology...

Sorry I don't write so good.

Nonsense. Outstanding breakdown, CC. I have some things to add to it, but it will have to wait until I am off work.

Bravo..

I agree with this assessment 1000% CC - thanks.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

I would like to clarify something for the record. I have referred to Patricia Davis/LilypatToo several times throughout my post. We've tangled a bit over the years but I don't believe that in this case LPT has knowingly contributed in the harming of anyone. Rather, I suspect she was one of the first targets of those behind this all. I also don't wish to speculate about her claims. They are hers, and I do not know her. She has, for the record as well, admitted to having MPD. Make of that what you will. I do wish I could say she has been completely upfront regarding her relationship with OSR and friends, but that is simply my wish and shouldn't necessarily reflect on LPT.

Whatever be the case with her, she has my sympathy wrt to her experiences, both as an admitted RA/MC/MPD sufferer, and for having an association with the entities that are most likely behind the cause of suffering of many other people.

Again, much of what I've written regarding this issue is speculation on my part, some with decent but circumstantial evidence to back it up, some not. It is this fact that causes me to request others to add or correct me if I've gone astray. The fact remains however, that there is bad, bad acting afoot here, and has been for awhile. That is not speculation.

FWIW,

~C

ETA - I'm am understanding but disappointed on Jeff's position wrt DE and allowing him to contribute to the clarity here. I don't pretend to know what the issues are between them and I have never spoken to DE other then our interaction on the thread I've referenced. I am not his ally, nor do I think ET is. If it's Jeff's opinion that he's not trustworthy, I will respect the fact that he has his own reasons to make that recommendation. I do appreciate the fact that ETiAE agrees with my proposal as I suspect many others here do. Perhaps SMiles will afford DE the opportunity in his own house. Perhaps not.

[Col. Quisp]

wow..19 pages already....and I can't make any sense of it. Granted, I haven't been able to read the whole thing. someone tell me, is it worth my time to try to read this?

Quispy is cornfuzzled.