Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

[Sounder]

Blah, blah, blah, set up job.

Turning good folk into fools. Same as it ever was.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There are pause-worthy details in this account, and I think the mere existence of the rooftop footage is more remarkable than the content.

It is completely possible to put a bullet through a human skull, even from close range, and not draw blood.

I cannot emphasize enough: our conception of violence is Hollywood, not violence. Your brain isn't full of blood.

I agree, most of the time there is around a litre of blood in your brain.

Rooftop footage - if you mean the footage in Ianeye's post @ top of p 18 then i think its shot from inside a building. There is what looks like the side of a window around 22 - 26 seconds in.

[8bitagent]

Since I am basically an idiot for connecting "dots". I find the confluence of "Je suis" and "ISIS" interesting and something to watch out for as we all ride this rollercoaster we didn't get in line to ride. Maybe it's just because I am a speaker of English -- however I sure have noticed both iterations of whatever all this bullshit is.

I think "they" are moving with it.

Looks like "Jesus Charlie" to me.

I just don't get the big deal over this one. Didn't we have deadly Islamist riots over Muhammed cartoons back in 2005? This incident to me is more akin to that Dutch filmmaker getting killed by some nut than FRANCE' SEPTEMBER 11!!1 My god, what would they do if an actual major terror attack happened...and on civilians?

*meanwhile 2000 Nigerians are killed in a Boko Haram attack the same day but never mind that cuz they're poor blacks in Africa*

i like how the guy riding shotgun remembers to pick up his shoe, but then they leave their ID behind.

Them wacky jihadists! It is like a scene out of Four Lions(love that movie, someone posted a clip earlier which reminded me)

[Hunter]

I love how they ALWAYS mention "so so and wasnt too interested in Islam until they met such and such SPIRTUAL LEADER."

Those are the guys I am interested in. I believe many of those radical imams are the assets working for the intel services.

[justdrew]

It seems possible that some small inner part of his mind MADE him leave the ID behind because he wanted to get caught. (or was rebelling against his program)

[alan ford]

Since I am basically an idiot for connecting "dots". I find the confluence of "Je suis" and "ISIS" interesting and something to watch out for as we all ride this rollercoaster we didn't get in line to ride. Maybe it's just because I am a speaker of English -- however I sure have noticed both iterations of whatever all this bullshit is.

I think "they" are moving with it.

Looks like "Jesus Charlie" to me.

I just don't get the big deal over this one. Didn't we have deadly Islamist riots over Muhammed cartoons back in 2005? This incident to me is more akin to that Dutch filmmaker getting killed by some nut than FRANCE' SEPTEMBER 11!!1 My god, what would they do if an actual major terror attack happened...and on civilians?

*meanwhile 2000 Nigerians are killed in a Boko Haram attack the same day but never mind that cuz they're poor blacks in Africa*

i like how the guy riding shotgun remembers to pick up his shoe, but then they leave their ID behind.

Them wacky jihadists! It is like a scene out of Four Lions(love that movie, someone posted a clip earlier which reminded me)

Well I'm repeating myself from before the reaction is so strong because the shooting was into the idea , the idea that we can express ourselves without fear of being killed. Europe had his history of religious wars and killing in the name of one truth or another. It's relatively recent event in history that we got to this point, so every attack like this touches something in either peoples conciousness or sub-conciousness ( archetype of the Fool if I can refer to my previous post ).

You call it incident, I agree with word terrorism - incident is somehow diminishing the event. You are asking about civilians - I'm asking you what about the killed ones - where they not civilians all of them ( except three police persons )?

As for je sius, ISIS from 82_28 I don't know what to say?

For your Jesus I can see it as a fun of martirizing Hebdo killed and I agree that the hypocrisy seeing "world leaders" there and claiming to be Charlie deserves mocking , 99 % of them would probably hate Charlie anyway, still reaction to their hipocrisy shouldn't translate to reaction to killed Charlie people and try to somehow minimize or justify killing.

[Joe Hillshoist]

*meanwhile 2000 Nigerians are killed in a Boko Haram attack the same day but never mind that cuz they're poor blacks in Africa*

I noticed the people who mentioned that here. Its the same thing with Daesh, ISIL or whatever they are. No one gave a shit about towns full of beheaded Muslims, Kurds, Christians or secular lefties from the Middle east, but kill one seppo journo on video and everyone has a wargasm.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I love how they ALWAYS mention "so so and wasnt too interested in Islam until they met such and such SPIRTUAL LEADER."

Those are the guys I am interested in. I believe many of those radical imams are the assets working for the intel services.

Maybe directly, maybe not, but I think its definitely something that needs to be sussed out. Its a fact that the most despised people in the west these days are muslims. its a cultural element of western societies these days. In this country people who aren't arseholes often make the comparison between the portrayal of Muslims today and Jews in the 20s and 30s in eurpoe and specifically Germany. Racist marginalisation and rejection by the place that's sposed to be your home is a very powerful thing, i know cos i've experienced it, and it does radicalise a person.

Whether the presence of radical clerics and leaders is a form of honey pot for useful idiots, an organic thing or some combination of both is really worth examining imo.

[Joe Hillshoist]

For your Jesus I can see it as a fun of martirizing Hebdo killed and I agree that the hypocrisy seeing "world leaders" there and claiming to be Charlie deserves mocking , 99 % of them would probably hate Charlie anyway, still reaction to their hipocrisy shouldn't translate to reaction to killed Charlie people and try to somehow minimize or justify killing.

How many non white people have been killed by radical, extremist Muslims outside Europe? How many of those were killed for expressing ideas? Any clues Alan?

Why are the deaths of those charlie hebdo staff more important than anyone else? And how much of the reaction is being driven or exploited by arseholes like Cory Bernadi.

[8bitagent]

*meanwhile 2000 Nigerians are killed in a Boko Haram attack the same day but never mind that cuz they're poor blacks in Africa*

I noticed the people who mentioned that here. Its the same thing with Daesh, ISIL or whatever they are. No one gave a shit about towns full of beheaded Muslims, Kurds, Christians or secular lefties from the Middle east, but kill one seppo journo on video and everyone has a wargasm.

Because people don't want to talk about hundreds of thousands of dead Syrians thanks to Bashir Assad or the Saudi/Qatar/Turkish/Western intel frankenstein jihadi machine or the now tens of thousands of dead/enslaved/harmed
innocents by the hands of I$I$. It's easier to talk about 12 dead French people. When brown people die, it's just an abstract figure. Like the Rwandan genocide. Or even from natural disasters, the countless killed 2009 Haiti or 2004 Indonesia. It's why you will never see the media or tabloid world devote one line to a missing young black girl.

Like you said...even "post racial" Obama didn't commit to war against ISIS til a few white dudes got their heads lopped off. 1 white life = 1 million Arab or non white lives in the media and public consciousness(***unless it's a black celebrity) Of course you wont see CNN or even Huffpo make a commentary on this elephant in the room.

But shit, even when it was white Muslim being massacred(Serbia), noone cared. Hell half the conspiracy crowd thinks it's all a holocaust hoax.

[alan ford]

For your Jesus I can see it as a fun of martirizing Hebdo killed and I agree that the hypocrisy seeing "world leaders" there and claiming to be Charlie deserves mocking , 99 % of them would probably hate Charlie anyway, still reaction to their hipocrisy shouldn't translate to reaction to killed Charlie people and try to somehow minimize or justify killing.

How many non white people have been killed by radical, extremist Muslims outside Europe? How many of those were killed for expressing ideas? Any clues Alan?

Why are the deaths of those charlie hebdo staff more important than anyone else? And how much of the reaction is being driven or exploited by arseholes like Cory Bernadi.

Joe,

Look first thing is that I don't have anything against you, for some reason I was accused of being a dick here, I would like to tell you that I'm going to point to inconsistencies in your way of thinking, same as I would do with everyone I talk, this is not attack to you or your ideas, I hope that you understand that. As a matter of fact both of us being here probably would have lots of things in common, I'm just observing some logical holes in there.

First question I don't know the answer how many were killed by as you say radical, extremist Muslims . Look I have to point to you that in one of your previous posts you said that "if 3 people go crazy out of 1.6 billion Muslims" something in that affect, so apparently now there is more than 3 to do all that killing . If there is a big number of radical, extrem Muslims involved in the actions of killing than Charlie Hebdo was doing the right thing to mock them , but somehow there is an impression developing that Charlie Hebdo was mocking "all the Muslims" . No , no , no. They are not. I said this already, they mock everyone around, there is no specific target. Except that they have their aim to hipocrisy, lies, rigidity of the thoughts.

I tried to explain in one of my previous posts why this is so schoking to the people. I believe that majority of people saying Je suis Charlie either on conciousness or sub-conciousness level recognize that this was killing of one of strong achetypes of human race. ( to repaet myself the Fool )
This is like trying to kill humanity itself in all of us. That's why so strong.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Alan my comments have nothing to do with our previous discussion and everything to do with the way that atrocity is framed and the world wide context.

[Joe Hillshoist]

*meanwhile 2000 Nigerians are killed in a Boko Haram attack the same day but never mind that cuz they're poor blacks in Africa*

I noticed the people who mentioned that here. Its the same thing with Daesh, ISIL or whatever they are. No one gave a shit about towns full of beheaded Muslims, Kurds, Christians or secular lefties from the Middle east, but kill one seppo journo on video and everyone has a wargasm.

Because people don't want to talk about hundreds of thousands of dead Syrians thanks to Bashir Assad or the Saudi/Qatar/Turkish/Western intel frankenstein jihadi machine or the now tens of thousands of dead/enslaved/harmed
innocents by the hands of I$I$. It's easier to talk about 12 dead French people. When brown people die, it's just an abstract figure. Like the Rwandan genocide. Or even from natural disasters, the countless killed 2009 Haiti or 2004 Indonesia. It's why you will never see the media or tabloid world devote one line to a missing young black girl.

Like you said...even "post racial" Obama didn't commit to war against ISIS til a few white dudes got their heads lopped off. 1 white life = 1 million Arab or non white lives in the media and public consciousness(***unless it's a black celebrity) Of course you wont see CNN or even Huffpo make a commentary on this elephant in the room.

But shit, even when it was white Muslim being massacred(Serbia), noone cared. Hell half the conspiracy crowd thinks it's all a holocaust hoax.

I dunno who made this image but i use it regularly. Normally its on another site.



We are the 1%* and the lives of lives of the rest don't matter.

*99% of the worlds population live on less than $34, 000 Aust dollars. (Quoting from memory last year when Aussie and US dollars were at or around parity. I really dunno if its an accurate statement.)

[Nordic]

Just caught a video which alleges that the cop was not shot in the head on the sidewalk. The narrator makes an interesting point. It doesn't seem like there was a headshot, but I don't know enough about how bullets work, so....

Anyway, apologies if it's already been mentioned, as I didn't notice it.

Sorry but this is bullshit.

I will admit that my very first reaction to the footage, which I just happened to see very soon after the news of this went out, and before there was any censoring, was the same as these guys (and there are more of these videos floating around the internet, although I've seen this particular one the most), and that it sure sorta looked like the bullet missed the cop's head and that the cop then either played dead, or passed out, or something.

Ironically, when the footage is played back slowly, it's clear what is going on:

What they call a "bullet hit" on the sidewalk is in fact not a bullet hit at all. If you look, the gun is actually pointing right at the cop's head when you see this blast onto the sidewalk, and the blast itself is not a bullet, but is air. It is the shock wave of air that makes the BANG that hits your eardrum. When a bullet exits a gun barrel, there is a tremendous burst of air with it, that is why there is such a noise. That is what you are seeing at the ground, and in fact it is a partial arc of a circle that would be from the circular pattern of the blast of air. (this is how silencers work, but sucking up all that blast of air so that the shock wave of air disappears into the silencer and doesn't make it out into the world).

As far as caliber of the gun, it DOES matter. A small bullet makes a small entry wound. In fact, an entry would is usually the same size as the bullet. It's the exit wound where things get nasty. And from this angle, and because we don't know exactly where in the head or neck the cop got hit, it makes plenty of sense that we don't see the exit wound, or its affects. The affects of an exit wound are unpredictable, as anyone who has hunted and killed animals knows.

We're all conditioned by movies to see a tremendous splatter of blood and/or gore when somebody gets shot in the head. That's not necessarily how things work. If you look at a lot of bodies from war zones, or from terrorist strikes (and I include "terrorist" strikes as those used in, say, Ukraine by the Kiev government) sometimes a body is just lying there with no visible signs of death, or sometimes just a trickle of blood pooling under the body.

So watching this video, and studying it, it becomes clear that there is absolutely no reason to assume that the killing is fake, or staged, or that the bullet missed the cop's head, or all the things that are claimed. In fact, it's pretty silly once you study the video.

But it sure seems that this is turning into disinformation, whether intentional or not, as I've seen this video posted a LOT on Facebook today.

And again, as so many people have mentioned, like WR, who the fuck shot this video, why haven't they been identified and all over the news (even anonymously, it would be a hell of a feature story on the "news", right?) and why were they there???

[Nordic]

One thing I'm trying to figure out is this: exactly when did CNN and Anderson Cooper (the CIA's very own) get to Paris? How did they get there so fast? Were they already there, waiting for this to happen?

I'm not sure yet, but it seems they got there damn quick:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-coo ... -american/

As the multiple hostage situations were unfolding in France just before 12 noon ET hour earlier today, CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Chris Cuomo were on the ground in Paris, giving viewers live updates with the relatively little concrete information they had to dispense. Cuomo was talking about one of the suspects holding hostages in the Paris kosher supermarket and referred to him as an “African-American man.”

I'm having a hard time finding corroborating evidence of this, but I'm not that great of a googler. Anyone know a way to see when exactly Anderson Cooper started reporting from Paris?