Project Willow wrote: I've never met an ra/mc survivor online who was completely free, that is, who had successfully uncovered and reconditioned their alter system. So it should always be assumed that some part of a survivor is at least vulnerable to and likely is working for the other side. If you start out in that position it's much easier to erect effective boundaries, (unless you're an idiot like me.)
I understand what you’re saying here Willow, but I wouldn’t want readers to make the mistake of thinking that ALL survivors are vulnerable to being accessed.
Successfully uncovering and deconditioning one's alter system takes tremendous resolve, time and energy, but it is far from impossible. I agree though that it is relatively rare at this point in time.
Short of the complete dismantling of the programmed system, usually after many months or years of committed focus and effort, a survivor can reach a state where they are no longer vulnerable to being accessed, because:
1) they have raised their awareness of self a very high level, and their alters are co-consciousness
2) they have done enough memory work to have a clear picture of who the dangerous people from their family and past are and have cut them out of their life.
3) they have knowledge of many of the cues and triggers that they were programmed to respond to, so that they can recognize when suspicious people are trying to lure them into dangerous situations.
4) they have a developed a support system of truly safe people in their life
I know very few survivors who have completely deactivated and collapsed their programmed system, but I know many more (in the real world of course) who I strongly believe are beyond being vulnerable to being accessed.
On the internet though, you can’t really know someone well enough to be able to know how much you can trust them, but you can get a sense of them. On one hand (unless they are trolls, agents or ARGists) you are safer, because you are not in physical contact with them.
With real world survivors I don’t go beyond my comfort level (safety-wise).
I was a founding member of a support group for survivors that ran for almost a decade, and I’m very familiar with these issues. In our support group, when disruptors were sent from the Cult, they were kicked out. This didn’t happen very often, but the Internet opens up many more avenues for disruption and messing with peoples’ heads.
I want to extend a hand whenever I can to “new” survivors, i.e people who have recently realized that that they have or might have this type of abuse in their history, but I’m very careful. Why? Because there is an extremely high probability that “newbies” could still be being accessed, and I don’t want a blow by blow account of my current life to be reported to local perps. And if they haven’t done the memory work to figure out what happened to them they may be voluntarily in contact with cult perps who are accessing them and not even know it.
On the Internet though, I have much less trepidation about the “new” survivors because I don’t share identifying information and they don’t know who I am.
Many “new” survivors are highly motivated to get free and I don’t want to shun them in any way, on the contrary, as long as they are not attacking people, breaking rules and causing trouble, I would like to offer support and encouragement to them
This is getting long. I hope it makes sense. There is more to be said but it’s getting late and I want to get a good night’s sleep.
I’m very glad that these issues are seeing the light of day. Thanks to Jeff, Et ego and everyone who contributed to this revelation and who care enough about the plight of MC/ EA (extreme abuse) survivors and the world to try to sort out this mess.
