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barracuda wrote:Also, the existing Google cache no longer shows the Modern Warfare 2 icon.
MacCruiskeen wrote:Harvey wrote:I repeat: Facebook knows the IP of all edits to that page since the account began on the 17th.
Well. OK.
I don't know what to say, except to suggest that you mail this information quickly to as many honest and -- if possible -- influential people as possible. You might start with Norwegian journalists. It's a very small and egalitarian country, and right now they're far less likely than either Brit or Yank hacks to be intimidated by dumb sneers about "conspiracy theories".
There is also a Norwegian Indymedia, where you can certainly get the information out quickly and receive quick feedback in English, no doubt including contact details for journalists worth contacting.
kenoma wrote:MacCruiskeen wrote:kenoma wrote:I think we can safely dismiss the theory that this guy had native-speaking English editors
Ha! I want to emphasise that I wasn't saying he is a good writer. But there are many bad writers of English whose native language is English. And "Andrew Berwick's" screed looks to me like the work of a crap writer whose native language is English and who is trying, occasionally (whenever he remembers), to sound a wee bit foreign.
I get what you're saying, but I just don't think it's possible to distinguish between a learner's proficiency and a native speaker's vernacular fluency from the text we have. This guy chose to write in the studiedly anodyne language of the political manifesto. Given the genre he chose, it was easy for him to closely imitate or directly plagiarize the phraseology of a generic rightwing screed. Had he written a suicide note or something similar in English, it would be easier to pick up on bum notes or telling colloquiallisms. But in the discourse he's writing in, it's very hard to tell the difference between an excellent learner and a mediocre native-speaker.
kenoma wrote:MacCruiskeen wrote:
Why English anyway, especially in a tome the size of Ulysses, if he was such a fanatical Norwegian nationalist and hater of "multiculturalism"?
From a brief scan of the screed, it sounds like pretty standard stuff from a contemporary European neo-fascist with intellectual pretensions. He's a third-positionist fascist, advocating a pan-Europeanist racism that wouldn't be too confined to Norwegian supremacism. People like him would think Europe is too small for petty, antiquated bigotries when Europeans face greater threats from Muslims and Communists. It's very unlikely that he's a holocaust denier, and in fact he's probably a Zionist, even if he doesn't personally like Jews.
stickdog99 wrote:More weirdness
Hobbies: Political analysis, studying new topics, Free Mason, Heraldry, Genealogy, gaming (MMO or Modern Warfare 2), travelling – learning about new cultures, music, friends. I have had the privilege of experiencing the following countries:
Sweden, Denmark, UK, Germany, Poland, Belarus, France, Austria, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Spain, Cyprus, Malta, US, Turkey, Mexico, China, Nigeria, Cote d'Ivoire, Liberia.
2005-2007: Managing director of E-Commerce Group AS (part investment company – 50%, part sales/outsourcing company – 50%). I converted ABB ENK to a corporation (AS). Total of 7 employees: 3 in Norway, 1 in Russia, 1 in Indonesia, 1 in Romania, 1 in the US. Distribution of outsourcing services to foreign companies, sold software/programming solutions. Worked part time with day trading (stocks/options/currency/commodities). This was a front (milking cow) with the purpose of financing resistance/liberation related military operations. The company was successful although most of the funds were channelled through a Caribbean subsidiary (with base in Antigua, a location where European countries do not have access): Brentwood Solutions Limited with bank accounts in other Caribbean nations and Eastern Europe. E-Commerce Group was terminated in 2007 while most of the funds were channelled in an "unorthodox manner" to Norway available to the coming intellectual and subsequent operations phase.
2002-2004: Director of Anders Behring Breivik ENK) (part time from May 02 (shortly after my inclusion in PCCTS) – des. 02, full time from March 03. Same emphasis as E-Commerce Group. This was a front (milking cow) I established and focused on shortly after my inclusion in PCCTS, Knights Templar with the purpose of financing resistance/liberation related military operations.
2002-2003: Supervisor/internal advisor for Bankia Bank ASA (Apr. 02 – March 03)
2002: Founding member (national representative) of the PCCTS, Knights Templar, in London (April).
2002: Member of the board of directors of the control authority for Majorstuen Eldresenter (Majorstuen Retirement home), political position for the Norwegian Progress Party.
2002: Member of the board of directors for Uranienborg Elementary and Secondary School, political position for the Norwegian Progress Party.
2001: Development of the financial prospectus for Hypertec AS in cooperation with NB Partner AS and PriceWaterhouseCoopers DA (Jan 01-May 01)
2000-2003: Board member in Progress Party Frogner and Vice Chairman in the Progress Party Youth – Oslo West.
DrVolin wrote:I am not Scandinavian, but I spend a fair chunk of my time over there. Many of my Scandinavian colleagues have great facility with English, both written and spoken. Of them all, the Norwegians often have the easiest time. In conversation, it is sometimes difficult to tell whether they are British or Norwegian, and impossible in writing. Just as a matter of record, English is my second language also.
DrVolin wrote:Mac, you would be hard pressed to find any of my writing online in my own language, under any name or alias. There is one thing, but it is in an academic journal.
A Most EnGaging Show of Evidence in Ireland: An Attendee's Perspective
Written by Doug Lowe, Laytown, Ireland
Friday, 22 July 2011 11:17
Dublin, Ireland was the location for the latest international presentation of Richard Gage, AIA on the demolitions at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Appearing as the keynote speaker on "The Masterplan" event organized by Ireland's only truth movement publication, The Sovereign Independent, Gage delivered his well-honed case to an audience of about 150 people. As usual, he managed to convince almost everyone to the point of view that the Twin Towers and also Building 7 were all brought down by controlled demolition. Of all the people polled at the start of his presentation who either believed the official story or weren't sure what really happened, there was only one person left unsure at the end.
I've lived in Ireland for the last five years, and I've come to know the Irish people as a "no-nonsense" sort; they don't have time for slick stories or hot-air hyperbole. So to watch how intently they followed Gage as he spoke, and to hear the questions they had for him at the end, I was impressed with the amount of dignity he engendered during his 2-hour talk. He was truly put to the test, as it were, and he passed the test with flying colors.
Gage had spent the day prior to the event visiting scenery and midevil castles in Northern Ireland. Many towns in this country have their own castle, or remnants of them, to boast about. I'm sure seeing the ancient constructions tickled his architectural "fancy". His Irish hosts, Ian Crilly and Jim Corr, surely tickled his thirst as well with a pint or two on his way around the island.
Ireland is a small island with many varying environments and histories. At the same time all these smaller parts come together in a sense of community that pervades the island as a whole. Even the divisions that existed so dramatically in past decades between Northern Ireland and the Republic (the name used in the southern part) have softened a bit. It still remains chiefly a Catholic country, so things tend to go at a much slower pace on Sunday – perhaps accounting for the limited attendance of less than a hundred the next day in Dundalk. The rest of the week, however, is filled with the buzz of a very active people who are proud of their heritage and strive to live to the highest of standards.
I believe this quality endeared them to Gage, since it is so evident that he is proud of his heritage as an American, and is showing by example what it's like to live to the highest of standards. As an ambassador for the truth about 9/11 he qualifies to be a leader in the movement to bring illumination to the sordid events of that tragic day. I was very proud of him, both in his efforts to spread the word and also in his ability to connect so powerfully with the Irish people.
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The Nightmare in Norway and the Threat of Fundamentalist Christian, Blonde, Blue-eyed Terrorists in Our Midst
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Sat, 07/23/2011 - 4:27pm
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Anders Breivik, the arrested suspect of the horrendous murder spree in Norway, "opposed multiculturalism and Muslim immigrants in Norway" and "championed opposition to 'Cultural Marxism,' a right-wing anti-Semitic concept developed primarily by William Lind of the US-based Free Congress Foundation, but also the Lyndon LaRouche network," says Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Political Research Associates.
Friday, July 22 was an unimaginable dark day for the people of Norway. A horrible bombing in Oslo was followed later in the day by a murderous shooting spree at a Labor Party youth camp on the island of Utoya. All told, the death toll may reach as high as 100. The bombing was an apparent attempt on the life of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg.
Initially, few dared speculate who might be responsible for the attacks, but there is no doubt that many thought it was the work of Al Qaeda or an Al Qaeda-related organization. Apparently, according to Benjamin Doherty writing at The Electronic Intifada, such respected news outlets as BBC, the New York Times, The Guardian and The Washington Post were using information supplied to them by so-called terrorism expert Will McCants, whose posts early on insisted that there very well could be an Islamist connection to the atrocities (http://electronicintifada.net/blog/benj ... slo-horror).
As more information rolled in, however, it soon became apparent that the terrorist appeared to be a homegrown right-wing extremist.
This didn't stop Ryan Mauro, the founder of WorldThreats.com, the national security director for the decidedly homophobic Christian Action Network and a leading figure in the Islamophobic community (http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributor/3601), from posting a piece on David Horowitz's frontpagemag.com saying that while "It is unclear if Islamists were involved in the attacks, ... Norway now undoubtedly knows the horrors that terrorism can bring." No matter who was responsible, Mauro concluded, Norway should be vigilant against the threat of Islamic extremists.
Shortly before midnight, police arrested a man identified as Anders Behring Breivik, who is described by Time magazine as "a handsome 32-yuear-old Norwegian with blue eyes and a short crop of blond hair." According to a Reuters report, "The gunman gave up without a fight with police after a massacre near Oslo that lasted almost 1.5 hours, acting police chief Sveinung Sponheim told a news conference." The Reuters report pointed out that "Deputy Police Chief Roger Andresen would not speculate on the motives for what was believed to be the deadliest attack by a lone gunman anywhere in modern times.
'He describes himself as a Christian, leaning toward right-wing Christianity, on his Facebook page,' Mr. Andresen said."
Sources in Norway told the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights (IREHR), "that Breivik has been known to write posts in right-wing internet forums in Norway, where he has described himself as a 'nationalist' and has also written numerous screeds critical of Muslims."
IREHR reported late Friday evening that "New evidence has surfaced indicating that Breivik appears to be a fan of the Tea Party's favorite Islamophobe, Pamela Geller. The website Little Green Footballs reports that he's been posting links to Geller's website Atlas Shrugged since at least 2009."
Reuters noted that Breivik's "Facebook page was blocked, but a cached version describes a conservative Christian from Oslo who owned his own organic farming company, called Breivik Geofarm.
"The profile veers between references to lofty political philosophers and gory popular films, television shows and video games. The Facebook account appears to have been set up on 17 July. The site lists no 'friends' or social connections."
According to Reuters, "Breivik had also set up a Twitter account recently, with a single post on July 17, a citation from 19th century thinker John Stuart Mill: 'One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.'"
Time magazine reported that "Norwegian police describe Breivik as a conservative, right-wing extremist and a Christian fundamentalist. Norwegian media have reported that he attended the Oslo Commerce School and describe him as a conservative and nationalist. His views are hard to characterize. He appears to hate communists and Muslims and harbors right-wing views. But he is not a neo-Nazi. Breivik was a regular reader of right-wing Web sites and blogs such as the Gates of Vienna, and a follower of the blogger Fjordman. On a Facebook page that Breivik set up days before the attacks, he cites an eclectic group of heroes that include Winston Churchill, Dutch right-wing populist Geert Wilders, and Norwegian anti-Nazi resistance fighter Max Manus. Breivik appears to see himself as a mercenary in a war against the spread of Islam in Europe as well as against Socialism and foreign domination of Norway. Like the contributors to Gates of Vienna, Breivik appears to be an adherent of the right-wing conspiracy theories about Eurabia, the idea that Muslims are infiltrating European society with the goal of domination. The Gates of Vienna website, for example, carries a picture of old Vienna with the caption: 'At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are now in a new phase of a very old war'" (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... -2,00.html).
Writing at Talk2Action (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2011/7/23/8287/32273/), Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Political Research Associates, pointed out that Breivik "opposed multiculturalism and Muslim immigrants in Norway" and that he "championed opposition to 'Cultural Marxism,' a right-wing antisemitic concept developed primarily by William Lind of the US-based Free Congress Foundation, but also the Lyndon LaRouche network." (For more on "cultural Marxism," see "Reframing the enemy" http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... -the-enemy.)
At frontpage.com, despite contrary information, Ryan Mauro pointed out that while the attacker "is a Norwegian ... the overall plot may have an international component." He wrote: "Simultaneous attacks like these are the staple of the Al-Qaeda and its affiliates, but the arrest of Breivik is leading authorities to downplay an Islamist connection. One anonymous police official told the Associated Press that 'it seems like that this is not linked to any international terrorist organizations at all' and 'is probably more Norway's Oklahoma City than it is Norway's World Trade Center.'" According to Mauro, "The fact that Breivik did not choose to become a 'martyr' does indicate a non-Islamist motivation. A key question will be how Breivik obtained the expertise and materials for the attacks, and whether Islamic extremists played some role despite their ideological differences."
Perhaps the most measured response to the senseless crime came from Norway's Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg who said at a press conference that those responsible for the atrocities would be brought to justice and that would bring "more openness and more democracy" to the country. "No one will bomb us to silence. No one will shoot us to silence. No one will ever scare us away from being Norway," Stoltenberg said.
"You will not destroy us. You will not destroy our democracy or our ideals for a better world," he added.
Judging from past responses to these kinds of rampages by right-wing extremists, you can expect conservative politicians, columnists, bloggers, pundits and the Ryan Mauros' of the world to respond to these horrendous crimes by claiming that it was the work of a lone mentally ill gunman.
Whether Breivik was connected to any neo-Nazi or right-wing group remains to be seen. "There is an Oklahoma comparison," Hagai M. Segal, a terrorism expert with New York University in London, told TIME.com. "That could be an incredibly serious development. I am skeptical that there is a larger right-wing group connected to this, but it wouldn't surprise me if you had a small cell. It is extremely hard to do something like this by yourself."
MacCruiskeen wrote:jesus christ, Hugh. Yes Ireland is indeed an island, and there are islands in Norway too. Well spotted.
Exclusive: ATF Director’s 'Eyes Nearly Popped Out of (His) Head' When he Learned ATF Might Have Been Selling Guns to FBI in 'Fast and Furious'
July 18, 2011 3:01 PM
Interviewed by congressional investigators earlier this month, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Ken Melson agreed that the allegations that federal agencies weren’t sharing information regarding the Fast & Furious program were “eye-popping,” according to transcripts of the interview exclusively obtained by ABC News.
In the controversial Fast & Furious program, the ATF trafficked assault weapons across the Mexican border in order to try to locate criminals. But many of the guns have since shown up at crime scenes in the US, and one theory investigators are exploring is that the ATF agents were unknowingly selling weapons to straw purchasers created by the FBI using informants and maybe even taxpayer money.
Melson was asked about this – politely called an “interagency communication issue” -- when he testified behind closed doors to congressional investigators over 4th of July weekend. In the below excerpt from that testimony, Melson describes a conversation with the deputy attorney general (DAG) Jim Cole on July 16, the day after the ATF hearing on the Hill. “IG” is a reference to the inspector general who is investigating the Fast & Furious case internally at the Justice Department.
Below is the relevant exchange:
Q: Do you have any concerns that because you raised the interagency communication issue with the DAG and also with the IG that you might be viewed as speaking out of turn.
MELSON: Well, I guess I have -- I have got concerns about talking with you about it, as well as pushing it as I have in the Department, because it could be a very sensitive issue. I don't know. Better communication with them would have helped me understand how sensitive it is, if it is, or what the ramifications of its disclosure is. I mentioned it to the DAG's office in good faith to try and avoid further damage to the Department or the government if this thing is as you have laid it out and it unravels and the American public sees ATF investigating straw purchasers and another agency working the money angle and the ordering of the weapons. I mean, that would make us look pretty silly, I think. So my mention of it to the DAG's office was simply to let them know, to give them a head's up so if this was occurring, they could figure out what to do with it. And we weren't getting any responses. I'm still concerned about it. I'm still concerned about not just what was done, but what could be ongoing as well.
Q: When I first heard about the information sharing issues, my eyes nearly popped out of my head.
MELSON: Well, so did mine.
Q: I'm curious when you communicated that to the DAG, did his eyes pop out of his head, did he think this was a big problem.
MELSON: I can't tell you what he thought or how he thought. But he simply said, "We will have to look into it."
MacCruiskeen wrote:
Is there any writing, anywhere online, by the fanatical Norwegian nationalist (TM) Anders Behring Breivik in Norwegian? Surely there is, but where is it?
MacCruiskeen wrote:I really don't want to make a meal of this, kenoma, but I'm reluctant (and not for no reason) to take any of this stuff at face value. I'd rather look silly next week for having "questioned everything" and got most of it wrong than watch the media yarn solidify while all the anomalies & weirdnesses are forgotten, dismissed, or craftily assimilated.
MacCruiskeen wrote:Harvey wrote:I repeat: Facebook knows the IP of all edits to that page since the account began on the 17th.
Well. OK.
I don't know what to say, except to suggest that you mail this information quickly to as many honest and -- if possible -- influential people as possible. You might start with Norwegian journalists. It's a very small and egalitarian country, and right now they're far less likely than either Brit or Yank hacks to be intimidated by dumb sneers about "conspiracy theories".
There is also a Norwegian Indymedia, where you can certainly get the information out quickly and receive quick feedback in English, no doubt including contact details for journalists worth contacting.
MacCruiskeen wrote:kenoma wrote:MacCruiskeen wrote:kenoma wrote:I think we can safely dismiss the theory that this guy had native-speaking English editors
Ha! I want to emphasise that I wasn't saying he is a good writer. But there are many bad writers of English whose native language is English. And "Andrew Berwick's" screed looks to me like the work of a crap writer whose native language is English and who is trying, occasionally (whenever he remembers), to sound a wee bit foreign.
I get what you're saying, but I just don't think it's possible to distinguish between a learner's proficiency and a native speaker's vernacular fluency from the text we have. This guy chose to write in the studiedly anodyne language of the political manifesto. Given the genre he chose, it was easy for him to closely imitate or directly plagiarize the phraseology of a generic rightwing screed. Had he written a suicide note or something similar in English, it would be easier to pick up on bum notes or telling colloquiallisms. But in the discourse he's writing in, it's very hard to tell the difference between an excellent learner and a mediocre native-speaker.
Is there any writing, anywhere online, by the fanatical Norwegian nationalist (TM) Anders Behring Breivik in Norwegian? Surely there is, but where is it?
Has anyone yet demonstrated that Anders Behring Breivik and "Andrew Berwick" are indeed one and the same man? It's quite possible somebody did, but if anyone did, then I missed it.
I really don't want to make a meal of this, kenoma, but I'm reluctant (and not for no reason) to take any of this stuff at face value. I'd rather look silly next week for having "questioned everything" and got most of it wrong than watch the media yarn solidify while all the anomalies & weirdnesses are forgotten, dismissed, or craftily assimilated.
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