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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:32 pm

Speaking of Dennis K does anyone remember HR 2477?
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:38 pm

HR 2477 and 2478 were VERY important bills:

HR 2477 -- the Voter Freedom Act of 1997 -- would require states to establish "fair and uniform ballot-access standards" for candidates seeking federal office. At the presidential level, the bill would reduce ballot access requirements by approximately 85%.

HR 2478 -- the Debate Freedom Act of 1997 -- would prohibit presidential candidates who accept taxpayer-provided matching funds from participating in debates that exclude candidates qualified for the ballot in at least 40 states. Candidates who take part in such debates would be forced to return the money to the Treasury.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:39 pm

Shit it must have been 2744 then.

Sorry.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:45 pm

The voice of history chimes in with "No Dickhead it was 2977"

Oh well I got it right eventually....
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:15 pm

Sorry, but Dennis has just pegged himself as the candidate of New Age pagan wannabes.

While this letter plays well to everybody who works a booth at the Oregon Country Fair, please consider Joe Sixpack's reaction.

Kucinich worked with Edwards, kamikaze candidate Gephardt and S&B Kerry to ensure that the 2004 election would not be a referendum on the disasterous direction that Bush was leading our country with our corporate media's approbation. He is now positioned as the perennial favorite Democratic Presidential candidate of New Age Greenies and quixotic left activists in order to keep them on the Democratic "team" while disabling their potential to join forces with any more viable, less establishment co-opted populist options.

Kucinich is quite possibly a great guy who means well. However, this is the role he is playing with our Demopublican political establishment's full blessing.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:38 pm

An important point to consider Stick. Well said.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:41 pm

Did Dennis have a change of heart?



Rep Kucinich Rewrites HR 2977 -
'Chemtrails' Disappear
By Lorie Kramer
seektress@ev1.net
1-27-2

The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written.

The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was introduced January 23, 2002.

Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR 3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there.

By its conspicuous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a form of credibiity within the official government process never seen before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had finally had the fortitude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of Congressional scrutiny long overdue.

Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range, and not the 60 mile altitude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years.

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mention whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.

In fact, 'Exotic Weapons' - as boldly-stated in HR 2977 - are not even mentioned in HR 3616. So, what happened here? Did someone have a 'friendly chat' with Rep. Kucinich? Did the Congressman inhale a bit too much aluminum during his morning job? Did he look up one day and find himself standing under a big 'X' and feel his knees get a little wobbly?

As stated in Kucinich's first version of his "Space Preservation Act of 2001" -

"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."

Apparently Rep. Kucinich is no longer concerned about the effects of the testing and use of exotic weapons systems on natural ecosystems and living organisms on the planet.

Although chemtrails are no longer stated as a weapons system, or even mentioned in HR3616, the question of the components of the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system is raised.

HR 3616 states -

"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes."

The intent of this passage remains fuzzy. Example: Are Imaging satellites used with the RFMP / VTRPE system broadly defined as part of a weapons system ?

HR 3616 further states -

"The terms 'space-based weapon' and 'space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person by directing a source of energy against that object or person."

The word "directing" is clearly the key. Strictly speaking, the RFMP system does, by imaging, provide information to direct a source of energy against that particular object or person

HR3616 also says -

"4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems."

They could say the RFMP is not a weapon - it does not "fire a bullet," but it is part of a weapons system. There are clearly serious issues of definition in Kucinich's new Bill. It is conceivable that the RFMP / VTRPE weapons system may fall in the area covered by HR3616.

It remains a mystery as to how the word 'chemtrails' appeared in HR 2977 to begin with. Investigation into that point is ongoing. Who actually is authoring the text of these bills? Why such an emphasis on "exotic weapons" in HR 2977 but then nothing mentioned about them in HR 3616?

My call to Rep. Kucinich's Washington office last week was brief. I was told there had been "quite a few" calls regarding HR 2977. I was then told my questions should be directed to the person on the congressman's staff who handled that bill. I was then transfered to that person and received...big surprise...their voice mail service. I left a message with my contact information. No reply has been received to date. I will place a follow-up call again this week. We suggest others do the same.

Even though the term 'chemtrails' has been removed from the revised bill, efforts to continue to educate and alert others about the chemtrail issue go on. Many thanks to those who have taken the time to contact their Congressional Representatives, keep it up.

We still know what we see. We still didn't consent. We still want it stopped.

Lorie Kramer Chem Trail Tracking USA

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Space Preservation Act of 2002
(Introduced in the House)
HR 3616 IH
107th CONGRESS
2nd Session
H.R. 3616

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 23, 2002

Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the 'Space Preservation Act of 2002'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.

The President shall-- (1) implement a ban on space-based weapons of the United States and the use of weapons of the United States to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit; and (2) immediately order the termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States.

SEC. 4. INTERNATIONAL TREATY BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing an international treaty banning space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 6 months thereafter, a report on--
(1) the implementation of the ban on space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit required by section 3; and
(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the treaty described in section 4.

SEC. 6. SPACE-BASED NONWEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--
(1) space exploration;
(2) space research and development;
(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or
(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:
(1) The term 'space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.
(2) The terms `space-based weapon' and `space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(A) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object or person;
(B) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object or person;
(C) directing a source of energy against that object or person; or
(D) any other undeveloped means.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:52 pm

Not living in the US that was the first I ever thought of him MP.

He seems interesting as far as politicians go, he's obviously got some knack for publicity, but I dunno.

I find it hard to see how any "2 Party System" is gonna do anything other than continue the status quo. I agree with what Stickydog was getting at. Political Parties are entities that protect their own interests first, and the people who will vote for them, they are somewhere down the priority list near the bottom.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:23 pm

I have had that debate with this entire board for a while now, Joe. I tried to tell them that every november they vote for tweedledee or tweedledum, that their choice is criminal scumbag A or criminal thug B, but they all came down on me as some sort of deluded anarchist. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, aint happenin. If everyone stopped voting then we could possibly see some real change but as long as they keep voting for either one of the two criminals propped up by the illuminazi puppeteers we will NEVER see any change in this country.
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Postby dbeach » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:26 pm

a DK thread at PI had a huge conflict resulting in a few members getting banned..its till a very sensitive topic over there..



I still vote BUT the whole of em in DC drink from that cesspool.

of their own creation
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:50 pm

Who got banned, the ones for or against DK. What was the general response to him at PI?
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Postby dbeach » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:56 pm

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... c_id=54320

OK DK was faveorable and then the threads kinda melted over pts of view

I persoannly did not want to endorse DK and I missed most of the conflict

stilll tres sensitive over there about the conflict
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Postby marykmusic » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:06 am

Got our Kucinich 2004 T-shirts that we never stopped wearing.

The boys and I were there the first time he came to Arizona to file for his name on the ballot; all of us went to hear him in Tucson and Phoenix and volunteered. I asked him specifically about chemtrails; he shook his head and said, "I can't talk about that." Somebody big and scary shut him up, I'm sure. Hey, ya gotta choose your battles carefully, so that you can fight a few well rather than a bunch, poorly. --MaryK
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:12 am

I asked him specifically about chemtrails; he shook his head and said, "I can't talk about that."


Did you - wow.

Thats pretty cool. :D

I remember when that all happened. I was moderating on a chemtrail website at the time, and starting to have some doubts about the whole thing, not so much about what was going on, but more about how I could valuably spend my energy, if I was wasting time for no result when so much other shit was going down.

It was funny how it disappeared so quickly...

I dunno if it was someone bigger and scarier, or if someone pointed out some of them more outrageous things some people had said and then asked "Do you wanna be associated with this??"

I can easily imagine a politicians answer.
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Postby Trifecta » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:43 pm

He publically (from memory) recounted the bill and put it down to an over zealous member of his team...yeah right.

Back in the day DK was my hero, the only political figure who had gone out on a limb to do this...now I look at him, from an etheric perspective and see another osculum infame kissing the devils arse, sure he may have had death threats, got caught with his pants down or whatever, but if he is indeed in bed with Soros (sore arse) then he has the mark of the beast.

half a denary for me fucking life story. Python, life of brian.
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