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My main paths had been Theosophy and its descendants, and the study of channeled messages of all kinds, particularly those from ‘Ascended Masters’ and ‘Space Brothers’. Each book I read in these fields claimed to teach the work of highly evolved beings, yet each contained glaring contradictions of the others. Then I read War in Heaven and found out why these contradictions occur – the authors don’t have an adequate theoretical frame of reference to correctly interpret the messages they channel, even though much of the raw information is perfectly valid.

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It is fascinating because it consists of channeled (i.e. automatically written) material that is not only clear and pointed but also flies in the face almost all other channeled teachings. And it’s troubling because to take Spiritual Revolution (SR) seriously entails entering into a topsy-turvy worldview that most of us would normally consider to be highly paranoid.

That book sounds fascinating...unified theories are always interesting.
Yeah when I hear "space brothers" and "ascended masters", I automatically think "evil trickster". the idea of a spiritual war of good and evil is certainly however, a very long in the tooth(or spoon?) theme that's always worth looking into.

I dont know what happened to TKL, but one of his last threads on here was damn fascinating...it was about the comical ironic aspects of angelic or Adaimic languages.

Yeah, well we Illuminists find we have much more in common with Lucifer than we ever will with his Adversary.
Read the damned book, who is the REAL bad guy?
Satan does not equal Lucifer.
If only Christians were literate. Perhaps they'd do some actual research and realize that most of the things they lump together as "Satan" are nothing of the sort. The Dragon is your friend.

Nobodaddy will never be my master. I'll never forgive him for his treatment of Job.

The Black Brotherhood are not Illuminists. Rather the opposite, I'd venture. Although you're free to use whatever shorthand you like, some would suggest that the so-called Christians have done more evil than anyone identifying themselves as Luciferians. By a thousandfold.
The Republicans don't cater to Luciferians, eh?
Just saying.

(see the thread on the Serpent and the Illuminati. Run a search, as I'm too lazy to look it up, and I'm about to close this down and drive 400 miles)



Nahushtan is my co-pilot!

(Praise be to Glykon)

Love is the Law,
(93/93)

SHCR 8

Thats the irony...to be "illuminated" is to know thine self in a metaphysical sense, to have a grasp of things that cast light, not darkness.

Pleasure off of death is anything but "illuminating".

I still don't know what to make of "the Bible", the Torah or ancient Sumerian lore...but certainly I don't want any part of a "God" that
uses a great man like Job in some sort of sick humiliation.

D.W.T.W. has been T.W.O.T.L. for some time now;
(93=93//93/93)


Hello.

(( made it. thought i was gonna get screwed at the last minute though. 23 miles inside michigan. cruiselocked 93 mph(limit: 70). I75N. got passed (on the right) by State Trooper. Must've been going 111. Good to be home. Glkyon be praised! ))

(here's the thread I was too lazy to look for earlier.)

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... hp?t=18465

I don't want to run around in here too much, 8bit, as I'm actually now on vacation for 5 or 6 days, and aside from mowing the grass, I've naught to do, and I've been constucting replies to your other thread that involve these subjects. (i've spent so much time in that thread i'm determined to burn it to the ground at this point)

We use B. B. as opposed to black magician [which could be anyone] generally to describe a specific set of criminal adepts [therefore having reached a certain level of whatever] who are distinguished by their sort of interloping with the current(s). Like seperating the serial killer type sorcerors from the petty criminals. (although a few of the more obvious suspects certainly fit the traits, so I'm not neccessarily saying we're not talking about the same people most of the time) As the current turns Death (dark/war and what it symbolizes)) into Life (light/sex and/or what it symbolizes) when interacted with appropriately, this same process can be reversed, with obvious consequences. The evil antisexual nature of the results of the 911 ritual for instance, could be cited. By themselves, these traits are common in psychopaths, as are odd (diseased) beliefs and/or behaviors. The BB are further special in that, as being reached a certain level of "advancement" (like a tumor) they've developed "side effects" to their practices (middle path sorcerors and eastern ascetics also spontaneously develop "powers" which they usually study and then discard) which allow more complex interactions with the current. As these practices are themselves diseased they harm themselves (and others and the currents) further, in a feedback loop. This is a recurring problem for the same reason most problems are. (because humans are a recurring problem)

(this does not rule out any number of so-called "conspriacies" rather it implies their inevitability)

(the currents themselves are alive. we are also the currents)

tKl (Te Kai El) got suspended (for a week i think) because he said something offensive in a Monarch thread (i think), haven't seen him since. Hope to see him eventually. It's nice to have him around.

I also recommend this book previously mentioned. (i think i have a link to part of it, may take some time to dig up)

(what makes people think there can only be two sides anyway?)

(isn't what PAZ told me)

I'd be offended if you thought John Dee and/or Edward Kelly were (satanists, gasp!) B.B. (they are saints named in the O.T.O.'s gnostic mass) (Kelly and Crow had the same boss) as both men were devout Christians. The worst thing the Enochian Angels ever suggested anyone do was a wife swap. (Crow maintained his belief that it was all Kelly, who merely enjoyed the company of Dee's wife) There were not really very many social problems involved with being a public Magician and a Devout Christian by (again) this time so long as one knew how to draw the circles properly and didn't have radical political views.

Madriax ds-praf (LIL) chis micaolz saanir Caosgo, od firis balziras Iaida. Nonca gohulim: micma adoian MAD, iaod bliorb; soba ooaona chis lucifitas peripsol; ds abraassa noncf netaaib Caosgo, od tilb adphaht damploz, tooat noncf g-micalz oma lrasd tofglo marb yarry IDOIGO, od torzulp iaodaf, gohul: Caosgo, tabaord saanir, od christeos yrpoil tiobl, busdir tilb noaln paid orsba od dodrmni zylna; elzaptilb, parm-gi peripsax, od ta qurlst booapis; l-nibm, oucho symp od christeos ag-toltorn mirc Q tiobl lel; ton paomb, dilzmo O aspian, od christeos ag L tortorn parach a-symp; cordziz dodpal od fifalz l-smnad; od fargt, bams omaoas; conisbra od avavox, tonug; orsca-tbl, naosmi tabges levithmong; unchi omp-tilb ors. Bagle? Mooah ol-cordziz. L campimao ixomaxip, od ca-cocasb gosaa: baglen pi-i tianta a-Babalond, od faorgt Telocvovim. Mardriax, torzu! Oadriax orocha aboapri. Tabaori priaz ar-tabas adrpan cors-ta dobix; yolcam priazi ar-coazior, od quasb qting. Ripir paaoxt saga-cor; uml od prdzar cacrg aoiveae cormpt. TORZU, ZACAR, od ZAMRAM aspt Sibsi butmona, ds surzas Tia-Balaetan; odo cicle qaa, od ozazma plapli iadnamad.


The thelemites are awaiting the Enochian Apocalypse. It is usually referred to as the-day-of-be-with-us amongst these circles.

(apologies for those who read aloud)

LIL,
SHCR [DaNieL]
:: :: [3'=8*]

[geogeo]

Stripped down:

--the shamans, mystics, sorcerers, etc. of all ages and times are tapping into the collective unconscious, i.e. the hive-mind of the human species, which is both extra-temporal and extra-spatial. Visions--including full-fledged hallucinations--are ALWAYS filtered by cultural epoch. I.e. angels in one, greys in another. The messengers are often tricksters because we are tricksters--we possess wicked senses of humor...

The core of the visions is the message of a yearning toward The One, which I believe to be a yearning toward the originary unity of our species, lost only as we lost our telepathic properties (still in existence, of course, in certain Amazonian groups, and elsewhere). I believe this to equate more-or-less with Rudolph Sheldrake's morphic field theory -- it is the 'matrix' of our species. It evolves and diversifies as we evolve and diversify, because it includes the thoughts-memories of all of us and all who have lived (the akashic record, so to speak).

Don't ask the brain scientists -- they still can't find a thought under the microscope...

The "Illuminati" have best been characterized by the term "hegemony of parasitism" (Eustace Mullins) -- the idea that those who hold deep power, and generally tend to keep a stranglehold on organized and collective access to the hive-mind (ie., via organized state religion) constitute a type of brood parasite of the human race. We are dependent on them: without the Templarian/Rothschildian capital networks we would be helpless, for example and simultaneously they are dependent on us.

One of the most noxious messages from the 'ether' is the idea that we must organize ourselves hierarchically, and like it or not, this pervades modern mysticism and occult thanks to the tradition handed down through synarchism, but it really has roots in the whole way that the Church came about. The arcaheological and ethnographical record CLEARLY shows that 'primitive' groups overwhelmingly espouse egalitarianism and are terrified by control from above and accumulation of material property, land, etc. The rise of pastoralism and agriculture led to stratification and 'complexity', true, but by far the most complex languages in the world are those of the so-called 'primitives'.

I think perhaps the 'great' conquerors all had visions where they tapped into the hive-mind, and it told them to conquer and unite the world: this would be Genghis Khan in the purest form, as he set about the run the world under the law of the blue sky--but despite the incredible freedoms he introduced, the world still needed a group of parasitic looters to look after things.

The synarchy of Saint-Yves d'Alveydre, which has roots in Martinism and Martinezism of the 1700s, postulated the human race as a body, so having a head or command center, recognizing that rule of all by all is chaos (anarchism or primitive communism works only with small groups and expulsion of 'black' sorcerers, psychopaths, etc., something practiced particularly well by the rigorously peaceful groups).

A Jungian approach, for example, does not preclude the intentional creation of secretive, hierarchical, perhaps bloodline-oriented or at least adept line-of-succession-with-oath oriented cryptopolitical organization: indeed, I think it favors this. I've noticed, though, that such channelling groups spring up but later fade, serving a king, a president, an epoch, but not necessarily conforming a single line of succession. There is a clear interplay with sacred texts--for example, the Corpus Hermeticum.

By the way, the term "Illuminati" was not just applied to the Bavarian group; several hermetic groups of the 1800s adopted this name, or its translation into other languages. The Bavarian ones became famous because they were seen as the root of mystic-oriented but later atheistic French Revolution, from which evolved communism. The Illuminati were thought to have descended from the Jesuits, in some circles, but appear to be more your typical invention of academics, like the Shining Path in Peru.

As you know, I am now a firm believer in the existence of a global synarchy movement that employs number mysticism and that seeks to manufacture crises enough to bring about the NWO, possibly even to the extent of precipitating global crisis and the appearance of various avatars, if it comes to that. I believe it a remote possibility that the hive-mind (AKA God and every other unitary deity, of course) itself 'desires' this condition. I think it's more a question of power, particularly sexual power. Without becoming hermaphrodites, how in hell could we ever become unified? And how would a psychic elite addicted to its own parasitic, intoxicating power (in the sense of controlling access to it, not being necessarily illuminated themselves) ever permit 'the people' any more status than sheep?

[8bitagent]

I'd be offended if you thought John Dee and/or Edward Kelly were (satanists, gasp!) B.B. (they are saints named in the O.T.O.'s gnostic mass) (Kelly and Crow had the same boss) as both men were devout Christians. The worst thing the Enochian Angels ever suggested anyone do was a wife swap. (Crow maintained his belief that it was all Kelly, who merely enjoyed the company of Dee's wife) There were not really very many social problems involved with being a public Magician and a Devout Christian by (again) this time so long as one knew how to draw the circles properly and didn't have radical political views.

Not at all. I was merely saying how such individuals in periods of time could be conduits for not so altruistic agendas. Of course there's no evidence that Dee, Kelly, etc were anything but special gifted individuals.

But if we someday see a "medium" advisor to a world leader, saying that "the ascended master" says so and so should be bombed, and there needs to be a one world government...such would be cause for concern.

And indeed, there was a time when Christian "occultists" were not seen out of place...I do not believe it heresy to suggest Moses and others may have been very gifted sorcerers.

As you know, I am now a firm believer in the existence of a global synarchy movement that employs number mysticism and that seeks to manufacture crises enough to bring about the NWO, possibly even to the extent of precipitating global crisis and the appearance of various avatars, if it comes to that.

I agree, I just believe the elite are being guided by some pretty nasty non human intelligence that has no "space brother" or "ascended mastering" or any positive intent.

[Penguin]

geogeo:
A nod to you, as what you said in a nutshell is quite alike to my own musings. (Alas, not my own as such - the musings of this local access node to the wider data repository of life )

Regards and good wishes ,
Pengu

[justdrew]

found it!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ ... en-III.htm

quote from chapter 1
Chapter 1:

The Search for Spiritual Reality

Part One is called “A Breakthrough in Spiritual Consciousness” because it summarizes the evolution of my personal beliefs about the nature of spiritual reality over a period of about twenty years, from the Sixties up until 1983, when I made the breakthrough that allowed me to receive and understand the channeled messages presented in Parts Two and Three of War in Heaven.



I made this breakthrough not by learning facts about spiritual phenomena on the intellectual level, but by achieving a state of awareness and open-mindedness that enabled me to receive what my spirit guides were actually trying to communicate to me, rather than what my prejudiced and brainwashed conscious mind wanted to hear.


It may be difficult for the majority of people who read this book to identify with the viewpoint from which I’m writing it. My psychic experiences, beginning with my earliest memories from childhood, are just as real and important to me as my experiences in the physical world. I’ve been reading minds, communicating with spiritual beings, and practicing psychic healing literally all my life. I believe in these things on exactly the same level as I believe in my ability to speak the English language, so it’s not easy for me to communicate with people who do not instinctively realize that such things are real.


Whenever I can, I give accounts of my personal psychic experiences to explain why I formed particular spiritual beliefs. Some readers of the preliminary version of this book, published in 1987 under the title of Spiritual Revolution, dismissed these narratives as “lies and garbage.”


Others said things like,

“It has the ring of truth to it, even though it contradicts almost every other spiritual book I’ve ever read.”

You’ll just to have to make up your own mind. All I’ll say at this point is that War in Heaven contains no deliberate lies, and I’m neither smart enough nor crazy enough to have hallucinated it all.


I also want to make it clear that I really don’t care if readers say they accept or reject the theories in this book. My purpose is not to gain followers for a narrow ideology, but to assist certain people in making the same breakthrough I made If you are one of these people, you may not even know it until long after you’ve finished the book and the ideas in it have penetrated deep into your subconscious.

However, I will also offer evidence to convince the reader’s conscious intellect that what I’m saying is scientifically true, whenever I can do so without interfering with my primary purpose, which is to present an extremely complex and revolutionary theory about spirituality. Let me start by explaining why I believe that there is sufficient empirical evidence to convince any truly open-minded person that telepathy, spirit-communication, reincarnation, and many other psychic and spiritual phenomena actually exist.
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[Perelandra]

Those cards, they bring back memories.
When I was younger, friends and I would play the card game "Magic".
A few of my friends got into the "Illuminati" game.

Now, just who runs this whole mess? Can anyone tell me?

I think that's what we all wonder.
That story is amazing. Do you know what became of the friend? When I was a young teen, I knew a guy who swore to a few of us that he'd seen Jesus, then refused to discuss it.

"Them" being us is interesting too. Recently I had an idea about the UFO phenomena. In a few years we'll be going into a new world age (Aquarius) which is an air sign. These changes have always been reflected in myth as sacred narrative, and tell us about the gods we worship. Perhaps it is the group mind at work and the phenomena have a sort of role in the play about our new gods.
Pure speculation.

I haven't even read the whole thread yet, but I will continue. There are some fascinating ideas here.

[ShinShinKid]

I never found out what happened to my friend.
The people I used to play cards with went to Lubbock, and then, I lost contact with them all.
I am not sure who the Gods are, or were. I have my own notions about what I think might be going on, but it always changes, and sometimes does so daily.
One thing I do think about a lot are constants in energy types, forms and for lack of a better word, dimensions.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I thought I met something from "the Invisible College" once.

Seemed cool enough too, and not at all nasty.

I'm inclined to see the whole thing as a metaphor, it says more about how I see the world than about an actual war in heaven. What choice do you want to make? Be self sufficient or a vampire for your spiritual energy needs.

And as a result how will you live your life?

Then again there is that saying "As above..."

Shin Shin, it sounds like your friend had a serious psychotic episode. I have seen a very similar thing happen to someone here once. they were convinced they could see the future, and were getting messages from the tv. Funnily enough we started seeing the messages too, and in a way they were directed at her, and seemed designed to send her further over the edge. She also foresaw 911, tho I can only see that in hindsight. Up until that day i thought she was just nuts.

Even when a TV is off, its still on, unless you have turned off the power. At a switch. The standby button on most remote's, and many tellys leaves them on, it just stops the sound and covers the screen.

And even then the signals are still carried through the air even if you don't have a telly.

A psychotic episode doesn't mean there is nothing in what the person is experiencing IMO, but often they are taking it too personally.

If you take everything that happens as a message from the universe, meant for you specifically, then you are probably enlightened. If you care about the messages too much (or at all), or take them seriously you are definitely mad.

[Penguin]

I also read War in Heaven some years back. Intriguing, as Commander Data would no doubt say.

If Id have to pick a side, I will be a wizard. Thats what Ive always been, and will be. Weave your own magic, and dont step on anyones toes, or do no harm to others who are simply trying to walk the road.

Even as a child I wondered about what bible says about heaven. Endlessly singing praise and worshipping some being who deems itself master of all? Umm, how does that sound somewhat VILE?

[Penguin]

A psychotic episode doesn't mean there is nothing in what the person is experiencing IMO, but often they are taking it too personally.

If you take everything that happens as a message from the universe, meant for you specifically, then you are probably enlightened. If you care about the messages too much (or at all), or take them seriously you are definitely mad.

Yeah. I think its safe to say that if you feel that what you think decides if the world goes on or ends, its safe to say thats a self-centered delusion, psychosis. Too bad that at that point you probably are too far gone for that level of self-analysis. I think thats why a pliable, humble ego is a must for any psychedelic experimentation, or you will go mad. At least for a while. And possibly do some lasting damage to yourself as well. Some are lucky, some not. Im not sure which I am myself. Not sure at all...

[Joe Hillshoist]

Humility is pretty important.

At the same time there is nothing wrong with a huge arrogant ego, provided you don't take it seriously, and hang shit on it when it deserves it.

Perhaps the trick to that is a sense of equality, knowing that there's nothing special about yourself. Well there is, but its no more special than anyone else - the universe solely exists for your benefit, sure. But it also solely exists for the benefit of the bacteria in your gut. The nematrodes in the soil, the gravel on the road, and that grain of sand on that beach at Broken Head, and all its neighbours...

BTW That thing about as a child being in heaven singing praise ... Halleluia means different things in a church or a Leonard Cohen gig.

It made alot more sense after I hit puberty, and got laid for the first time...

[ShinShinKid]

I've always wondered what station psychotic and schizophrenic (sic) persons are tuned to.
In college, I learned that in many societies, schizophrenic individuals were treated with relative honor, for they were seen as a sort of "satellite channel" for the people. Tuned in from "parts unknown". Something so far from norm, it was respected and sometimes feared (not so fearful as to lock up and shock with massive amounts of electictricity [to just one thing]).
If you look at the way many Native American and other tribal peoples deal with things and then the way our society deals with things...it makes you ask some questions.