Pentagon 'UFO hacker' faces 60 years if extradited

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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:26 am

Searcher08 wrote:I was going to put <Yorkshire> tags around it :)


<Yorkshire>Na, better t'save it fer t'punchline</Yorkshire>.

OpLan wrote:oh heck.. did I lose some kind of bet in a gin frenzy?


<Yorkshire>Na, t'Simpsons pitchers, "mek it a tenner 'n' I'll throw in a vid" remember? Na, y'wont, yer've 'ad a drink sin' then. Fergerrit it or give it t' y' faverit charrety or summat<Yorkshire>.

<Yorkshire>Good digging Byrne 'n' all</Yorkshire>.

compared2what? wrote:
"Honi soit qui mal y pense" sometimes rendered as "Honi soit quy mal y pense", "Hony soyt qe mal y pense", "Hony soyt ke mal y pense", "Honni soit qui mal y pense", "Hony soyt qui mal pence" and various other phoneticizations, is the motto of the English chivalric Order of the Garter. It is also written at the end of the manuscript Sir Gawain and the Green Knight but it appears to have been a later addition.[1] Its literal translation from Old French is "Shame be to him who thinks evil of it"[2] (although it is sometimes re-interpreted as "Evil be to him who evil thinks"[3]).


<Yorkshire>Nar that's summat else t' think abart</Yorkshire>.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:13 pm

Byrne wrote:

8bitagent wrote:...I can't help but wonder if perhaps there is an artificial intelligence backbone to the 9/11 attacks
Ho Ho....they'd like you to think that


Naw...they want you to think 9/11 was all the work of Arabs in a cave or a cigar chomping Cheney remote controlling missile filled planes with fake passengers.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:41 pm

Extradition is going to proceed. Sepka is now snoring the snores of the just.
From Wired:

Threat Level extends its warmest welcome to hacker Gary McKinnon, who just lost his extradition appeal to the U.K.'s highest court and will soon be pressing his search for extraterrestrial life from the confines of a U.S. detention facility.

Federal prosecutors in New Jersey and Virginia have been trying to extradite the 42-year-old Londoner for six years to put him on trial for penetrating over 90 unclassified Pentagon systems in 2001 and 2002 -- and allegedly crashing some of them. In interviews, McKinnon has admitted the hacking spree (though not the damage), which he says was a search for evidence of a military UFO coverup.


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Postby compared2what? » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:38 am

Well, thank god, at least, that the Bill of Rights as understood by Sepka has prevailed and that no Sepka-I-mean-person has been (or is at greater risk of being) deprived of life, liberty or property by a disproportionately greater power than him or her.

Or anyway, not at any greater risk than the near-total loss of a reasonable expectation of privacy -- safety from unwarranted search or seizure inclusive -- that became law when Bush signed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 or, say, the ongoing collapse of the real economy had already made them. Also, it's totally normal for a decent person to hope that a complete stranger who, as far as anyone knows, hasn't done any harm to anyone will spend every second of a potential sixty-year term in prison. In fact, it would be almost un-American to miss any opportunity to feel the warm glow of moral rectitude that it's only natural for everyone to feel when rooting for other random individuals to spend the rest of their lives locked up in a harsh and punitive environment. And since it's definitely not in any way indicative of spite, or the kind of out-sized, self-regarding sense of entitlement that typically characterizes people who feel so small about themselves that it's painful to admit, or anything like that at all, why shouldn't Sepka sleep well?

I certainly hope, Barracuda, that you are not implying otherwise. I mean, it's not like the founders didn't explicitly state that there is no aspect of the constitution less flexible than the part that prohibits people like Gary McKinnon from not helping people like Sepka feel certain enough in the ownership of their property to enjoy it.

Anyway. Good news. It's a real relief to feel like the country is finally moving in the right direction again.
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:57 am

This guys is a bonafide hero, if in fact he did this on his own and was not left a "honey trap".

The US government has been murdering its own citizens and people worldwide, destabilizing countries all with IMPUNITY...and the US is making a big fuss in getting this guy?

Come on.

The US government went into EMERGENCY sound-the-alarm-man-the-battlestations over freaking Terri Schiavo.

And is now pinning 9/11 all on some lowly taxi driver, charging him with "war crimes"

Give this Londoner a medal of honor I say.

Besides, the US government sure has had a strange mind-ops when it comes to "UFO" information/disinformation.
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Re: Pentagon 'UFO hacker' faces 60 years if extradited

Postby Sepka » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:33 pm

Eldritch wrote:Just or not, you seem to be asleep even now.


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Postby barracuda » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:53 pm

compared2what? wrote:Well, thank god, at least, that the Bill of Rights as understood by Sepka has prevailed...

Thank Ford, indeed. Sepka is likely now experiencing the apneic events of the obstructive sleep apnea of the borderline righteous.

8bitagent wrote:This guys is a bonafide hero,

Yeah, and he looks like a bonifide leprechaun.
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Postby exojuridik » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:59 pm

This case illustrates the truly draconian nature of US laws. The state may not cut off hands of thieves or stone adulterors, but in many ways justice in america is crueler than that of the taliban or shia law. In most societies forgiveness is built into the law. Many countries acknowledge the inequities of their legal system and offer period amnesties to those imprisoned for nonviolent crimes. The situation in the us is different. After over a century of following a rehabilitative philosophy, american penolgy has embraced a punitative "lets brutalize the baddies" approach to incarceration. think bosch without the artistry. That this comes at a time when the prison system has become a default policy program is no accident. lower-class prison guards rule over lower class inmates. Private corporations make out with the profits. The legislatures hapless in the face of genuine systemic social problems gladly support the bills promoted by a law and justice prison-industrial complex. A normally tax-adverse populace convinced that we were coddling criminals will gladly support the cruel and unsual sentences legislatures sign into law. And the supreme court entrusted in preserving the protections and rights granted by the constitution has been taken over by federalists who advocate a method of judicial construction that somehow manages to diminish human rights while simultaneously expanding the due process rights of corporations.

Today's ugly american is the one bullies other countries about their laws and courts and cannot see how the us system has drained every ounce of compassion and decency from the body politic. Replacing their sense of justice most americans are left with a cruel and insatiable hunger for punishment. they don't seem to realize that they too might be devoured by that ever growing vortex of hatred which we now call righteousness. The mercy of others that we will all probably need someday is now an unforgivable weakness to be eradicated from both our hearts and our forums of justice

Mackinnon fool or hero? I don't rightly know but may god have mercy on his soul.
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Postby Eldritch » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:14 pm

exojuridik wrote:This case illustrates the truly draconian nature of US laws. The state may not cut off hands of thieves or stone adulterors, but in many ways justice in america is crueler than that of the taliban or shia law. In most societies forgiveness is built into the law.


You're right. The United States has more people in prison than any other country on the face of the earth—both in sheer numbers and per capita. We have more of our people behind bars than the People's Republic of China has of its people, for heaven's sake.

Some people call this "freedom."

I call it a God-damned lie.
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Postby compared2what? » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:13 pm

exojuridik wrote:Mackinnon fool or hero? I don't rightly know but may god have mercy on his soul.


Word to that. There's really not a whole lot of verifiable material to support any judgment of him and/or his actions, whatever they were: He may well have been working to aid purely evil elites enslave 99% of the planet or he may well have been unable to distinguish between world of warcraft and World of Warcraft.

However, while reserving judgment about his culpability until I have the wherewithal for forming one, I am willing to go out on a limb and assume -- at least on an interim basis -- that he's my fellow human being. Though I guess that if he and I were both in a big commercial outer-space thriller, my cinematic avatar might be a little more dubious on that point.

That notwithstanding, since I'm also assuming that the conventional view wrt the concept that there is an objective reality and we're living in it to be correct (at least for present purposes), given that his humanity is all there really is to go on, there's pretty much nothing else to do except wish him well.
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Postby OP ED » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:29 am

isn't there some room for middle ground here?

I mean, certainly I'd be annoyed if he hacked my computer. I'd expect him to get slapped smartly on the wrist and fined for it.

I don't think of him as a hero. Especially considering he was silly enough to think he'd discover the "truth" about UFOs by hacking these pitiful peons' PCs. That doesn't mean he should go to federal prison for sixty years though. I mean, shit, you kill someone and get less than that. Hell, I could probably kill two people and get less than that.

Maybe if he just says he is REALLY sorry and promises never to do it again...

(if only he'd been wise enough to take the shitty deal they offered. he should've been smart enough to see they'd make an example of him otherwise. maybe he thought England would protect him. Ha. poor guy)

Lol @ cuda. Bona fide leprechaun. poor guy. goin' to federal prison and he's British and he looks positively folkloric...

I'm sure he'll get along just fine at Leavenworth.
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Postby annie aronburg » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:40 am

OP ED wrote:Lol @ cuda. Bona fide leprechaun. poor guy. goin' to federal prison and he's British and he looks positively folkloric...


Dude has a serious case of Elf Face. He looks like Steve Winwood.

I vote we give his sentence to Igor Kenk.
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Postby elfismiles » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:50 pm

Hacker loses extradition appeal

Gary McKinnon could face a long prison sentence
A Briton accused of hacking into secret military computers has lost his appeal against extradition to the US.

Glasgow-born Gary McKinnon was said to be "distraught" after losing the appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. He faces extradition within two weeks.

The unemployed man could face life in jail if convicted of accessing 97 US military and Nasa computers.

The 42-year-old admitted breaking into the computers from his London home but said he sought information on UFOs.

Mr McKinnon asked the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg to delay his extradition pending a full appeal to the court against his extradition but his application was refused.

He claimed the extradition would breach his human rights.

'Absolutely devastated'

His solicitor Karen Todner said this had been her client's "last chance" and appealed to Home Secretary Jacqui Smith to intervene.

Our client now faces the prospect of prosecution and imprisonment thousands of miles away from his family in a country in which he has never set foot

Solicitor Karen Todner

"He is absolutely devastated by the decision," she said. "He and his family are distraught.

"They are completely beside themselves. He is terrified by the prospect of going to America."

She added Mr McKinnon had recently been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and would ask for the case to be tried in this country.

"The offences for which our client's extradition is sought were committed on British soil and we maintain that any prosecution ought to be carried out by the appropriate British authorities," she added.

"Our client now faces the prospect of prosecution and imprisonment thousands of miles away from his family in a country in which he has never set foot."

Mr McKinnon, from Wood Green, north London, was arrested in 2002 but never charged in the UK.

He first lost his case at the High Court in 2006 before taking it to the highest court in the UK, the House of Lords.

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The US government claims he committed a malicious crime - the biggest military computer hack ever.

The authorities have warned that without his co-operation and a guilty plea the case could be treated as terrorism and he could face a long jail sentence.

The former systems analyst is accused of hacking into the computers with the intention of intimidating the US government.

It alleges that between February 2001 and March 2002, he hacked into dozens of US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers, as well as 16 Nasa computers.

Prosecutors say he altered and deleted files at a naval air station not long after the 11 September attacks in 2001, rendering critical systems inoperable.

However, Mr McKinnon has said his motives were harmless and innocent. He denies any attempts at sabotage.

He said he wanted to find evidence of UFOs he thought was being held by the US authorities, and to expose what he believed was a cover-up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7585861.stm


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Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:01 pm

This is outrageous. The poor guy.

It was nothing if not predictable that Britain would roll over for the US like this. That doesn't make it any less disgusting to see it actually happening.
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Postby Sepka » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:47 pm

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