Ziad Jarrah's Martyrdom Tape Bloopers

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Would an employee at Rockwell (Allen Bradley) be able to access their e-mail from Kinkos back in 2001?

Well, I was a network administrator in 2001. Remote access to corporate email was not only common but easy to provide.

So. I see your point about the possibility of using a fake email address, but the article you quote isn't disproving a real ab.com address by saying there was no reasonable expectation that remote access could have been available. It is however, telling us about the author's limited computer literacy.

Limited computer literacy seems to be an Al Qaeda hallmark. For a well-funded terrorist organisation, they are quite clearly thick as mince. And they don't hide the fact. But the money still rolls in.

[8bitagent]

Would an employee at Rockwell (Allen Bradley) be able to access their e-mail from Kinkos back in 2001?

Well, I was a network administrator in 2001. Remote access to corporate email was not only common but easy to provide.

So. I see your point about the possibility of using a fake email address, but the article you quote isn't disproving a real ab.com address by saying there was no reasonable expectation that remote access could have been available. It is however, telling us about the author's limited computer literacy.

Limited computer literacy seems to be an Al Qaeda hallmark. For a well-funded terrorist organisation, they are quite clearly thick as mince. And they don't hide the fact. But the money still rolls in.

al Qaeda had to have Nick Berg help them with emails and perhaps buying one of the 9/11 flight tickets.

Yet this same al Qaeda is said to have used steganography ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography ) through email, ebay,
ect. And from what Indira Singh said, hidden pages on Ptech related sites.

And why the hell do the truthers keep claiming Able Danger was part of 9/11 war games? Able Danger identified the Bosnian jihadist effort and American MAK/al Qaeda cell of Al Kifah with Ali Mohamed, Yousef, Darkalazanli, Whahdid el Hage,
Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, Mohamed Atef, the Blind Sheikh, the Sudanese crew around bin Laden, and of course the Hamberg cell that Darkalazanli, Ramzi bin Alshidh and Mohamed Atta were apart of, as well as the Philippines and Malaysia connection.

If fucking 9/11 "truthers" would just look into these guys, they'd see THAT is where the real rosetta stone is. The Malaysian condo, Khalid al Midhar and Nawaf al Hamzi, the German and London mosques, Norman Oklahoma, Falls Church Virginia, Ptech, San Diego California, Portland Maine, Florida, Pakistan, Dubai, Saudi Arabia. And how it all swirls around a very narrow corridor of power ultimately...of European offshore/Dubai banks, people like Khalid bin Mahfouz and Yassin al Qadi, and ultimately their globalist puppet masters.

But keep looking at Larry Silverstein, Marvin Bush, fuzzy youtube videos of the "anomalies"...Im sure that will bring the Truth!(tm)

[Avalon]

And it would be good to go right back to the start - to a time when it was openly accepted that a catastrophe which resulted in most of the victims being identifiable only through the sifting of dust for DNA also turned up the identifiable passport of one of the perpetrators on the second day.

That was a miracle.

It would've restored my faith, if it hadn't, instead, broke it clean in half.

But I agree. There were people who were parents and relatives of the accused hijackers, and people who insisted that their children were not terrorists, and were still alive.

My recollection is that the "my son of that name is still alive" statements did generally come through mainstream press sources. But I don't remember any corroboration -- at the time, from other sources, and several years later to see what the situation looks like, and whether the story still holds up. Most people in the 9/11 skeptic camp take that as a given, and repeat the original statements as gospel. And hey, maybe they are true. But we have no reason to take them as fact, without far more substantiation.

[8bitagent]

And it would be good to go right back to the start - to a time when it was openly accepted that a catastrophe which resulted in most of the victims being identifiable only through the sifting of dust for DNA also turned up the identifiable passport of one of the perpetrators on the second day.

That was a miracle.

It would've restored my faith, if it hadn't, instead, broke it clean in half.

But I agree. There were people who were parents and relatives of the accused hijackers, and people who insisted that their children were not terrorists, and were still alive.

My recollection is that the "my son of that name is still alive" statements did generally come through mainstream press sources. But I don't remember any corroboration -- at the time, from other sources, and several years later to see what the situation looks like, and whether the story still holds up. Most people in the 9/11 skeptic camp take that as a given, and repeat the original statements as gospel. And hey, maybe they are true. But we have no reason to take them as fact, without far more substantiation.

It doesnt make sense that any hijacker would be alive, despite the new claims that Marwen al Shehi was seen in Oklahoma a couple weeks later(apparently Atta, Shehi and others were seen at the OKC memorial museum days before 9.11)

[AlicetheKurious]

8bitagent said:

The trick is called plausible deniability. You have to get a Qaeda fully involved...intimately involved, to the point where THEY think they are the sole ones behind it.

You also have to make people think "the neocons" or "Israel" did it as well.

Actually, the contrary is true: given the quality and quantity of empirical evidence pointing to a central Israeli role in the 9/11 attacks, and that any hypothesis based on motive+means+opportunity should logically place Israeli conspirators at the top of the list of suspects, it's amazing how it's been poo-pooed and underplayed in the 9/11 "truth" movement.

I'm not interested in rehashing it all, but just wanted to mention, for those who missed it, that this topic was discussed exhaustively (and exhaustingly) in this thread:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... 8457&start

If anybody's interested. Roger and out.

[Elvis]

Regarding the possibility of some of the named 9/11 hijackers being alive, the following three items might be helpful. The first item, from the Telegraph UK, is now *poof* no longer there (but I saved it at the time). The second item, from BBC, is still online. The third item, from the Guardian, is apparently gone now, too.

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[http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml] (now dead)

1.

Revealed: the men with stolen identities

TELEGRAPH UK
By David Harrison
(Filed: 23/09/2001)

THEIR names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers who carried out the attacks on America. But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen by Osama bin Laden's teams to cover their tracks.

The men - all from Saudi Arabia - spoke of their shock at being mistakenly named by the FBI as suicide terrorists. None of the four was in the United States on September 11 and all are alive in their home country.

The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.

Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots. The FBI released the list of 19 suicide terrorists three days after the attacks.

The statement said that the 19 "have been identified as hijackers aboard the four airliners". Photographs and personal details were published around the world with an appeal for "information about these individuals, even though they are presumed dead".

The Saudi Airlines pilot, Saeed Al-Ghamdi, 25, and Abdulaziz Al-Omari, an engineer from Riyadh, are furious that the hijackers' "personal details" - including name, place, date of birth and occupation - matched their own.

Mr Al-Ghamdi was named as a terrorist on the United Airlines flight that crashed in Pennsylvania - a plane said by some experts to have been heading for the White House.

He first knew that he was on the FBI's list when he was told by a colleague. Speaking from Tunisia, he said: "I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks.

"You cannot imagine what it is like to be described as a terrorist - and a dead man - when you are innocent and alive." The airline was angry too. Officials brought Mr Al-Ghamdi back to Saudi Arabia last week for a 10-day holiday to avoid arrest or interrogation.

An official said: "We are consulting lawyers about what action to take to protect the reputation of our pilots." Mr Al-Ghamdi faced further embarrassment when CNN, the American television network, flashed a photograph of him around the world, naming him as a hijack suspect.

The FBI had published his personal details but with a photograph of somebody else, presumably a hijacker who had "stolen" his identity. CNN, however, showed a picture of the real Mr Al-Ghamdi.

He said that CNN had probably got the picture from the Flight Safety flying school he attended in Florida. CNN has since broadcast a clarification saying that the photograph may not be that of the accused.

Mr Al-Omari, who was accused of hijacking the American Airlines plane that smashed into the the World Trade Centre's north tower, said that he was at his desk at the Saudi telecommunications authority in Riyadh when the attacks took place.

He said: "I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."

Mr Al-Omari said his passport was stolen when his apartment in Denver, Colorado, was burgled in 1995. He had been studying engineering at Denver University since 1993. He was given a new passport in Riyadh on December 31, 1995 and returned to America to resume his studies in January 1996. After graduating last year he returned to Riyadh to join the electricity authority and later moved to the telecommunications authority.

The other two men accused of being terrorists are Salem Al-Hamzi and Ahmed Al-Nami. Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.

He said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." The FBI described him as 21 and said that his possible residences were Fort Lee or Wayne, both in New Jersey.

Mr Al-Nami, 33, from Riyadh, an administrative supervisor with Saudi Arabian Airlines, said that he was in Riyadh when the terrorists struck.

He said: "I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked."

He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida.

Last night the FBI admitted that there was some doubt about the identities of some of the suspects. A spokesman said: "The identification process has been complicated by the fact that many Arabic family names are similar. It is also possible that the hijackers used false identities."

The spokesman declined to say whether the FBI would apologise but added: "If we have made mistakes then obviously that would be regrettable but this is a big and complicated investigation."

When the list was published Robert Mueller, the FBI director, said that it was "fairly confident" that the names were not aliases.

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[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm]

Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

A man called Waleed Al Shehri says he left the US a year ago

Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.

The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.

Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.

His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

Now he is protesting his innocence from Casablanca, Morocco.

He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.

He acknowledges that he attended flight training school at Daytona Beach in the United States, and is indeed the same Waleed Al Shehri to whom the FBI has been referring.

But, he says, he left the United States in September last year, became a pilot with Saudi Arabian airlines and is currently on a further training course in Morocco.

Mistaken identity

Abdulaziz Al Omari, another of the Flight 11 hijack suspects, has also been quoted in Arab news reports.

He says he is an engineer with Saudi Telecoms, and that he lost his passport while studying in Denver.

Another man with exactly the same name surfaced on the pages of the English-language Arab News.

The second Abdulaziz Al Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines, the report says.

Meanwhile, Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Alghamdi.

He was listed by the FBI as a hijacker in the United flight that crashed in Pennsylvania.

And there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar, may also be alive.

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged on Thursday that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt.


(accompanying photos at link)
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3.

False identities mislead FBI

Special report: terrorism in the US
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usterrorism

Nick Hopkins in New York
Friday September 21, 2001
The Guardian

The FBI acknowledged yesterday that some of the terrorists involved in the attacks last week were using false identities, as it emerged that at least two men had been wrongly implicated.

After analysis of the passenger lists of the four hijacked flights and other immigration documents, investigators identified Salem Al-Hazmi and Abdulaziz Al-Omari as two of the terrorists.

The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.

He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.

Abdulaziz Al-Omari has also come forward to say he was not on the flight from Boston that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Centre.

An electrical engineer who works in Saudi Arabia, Mr Al-Omari said he was a student in Denver during the mid-1990s, and that his passport and other papers were stolen in a burglary in the US five years ago.

He was given a special pass by the Saudi embassy so he could return home.
"The name is my name and the birth date is the same as mine," he told Asharq al-Aswat, a London-based Arabic newspaper. "But I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Centre in New York."

Both men have offered to fly to the US to prove their innocence.

A Saudi embassy official in Washington warned yesterday that many more terror suspects might have been using false identities.

"The Salem Al-Hamzi we have is 26 years old and has never been to the United States," Gaafar Allagany told the Washington Post. "He has said he is willing to come to the United States if anyone wants to see him."

The FBI said it was reviewing the information about those on board the flights and that "the possibility that some of the identities are in question is being actively pursued".

The confusion has added to the problems of investigators. They have discovered that one of the men arrested, Badr Mohammed Hamzi, a radiologist from San Antonio, Texas, regularly used the name Khalid Al-Midhar, who has been named as another of the hijackers.
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