Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

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Postby anothershamus » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:44 pm

I am posting this in all the financial threads because of the relative importance that I believe it has. T



Examples: Confidence Destroyed

""We're near the cliff's edge, very close to capitulation, the mood is very gloomy," said Jean-Claude Petit, head of equities at Barclays Wealth Managers France.

"I not sure that governments and central banks are realising what's really going on," he said.

What's "really going on" is that our entire financial system has turned into a gigantic clown car. There hasn't been any recognition that the fundamental problem over the last two decades has been fraudulent lending - giving money to people on loan that the lender knows full well has no real chance of being able to pay it back.


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The FX dislocations that we've seen over the last few days have perplexed me and in addition been cause for great alarm. This is not without foundation. After much study I think I've figured out what's going on - we are witnessing the capital flight that I feared might happen in some of my Tickers from last year.

These moves are hedge funds and others that are leaving The United States with their money. It is flowing out of the United States.

Nor is this limited to hedge funds - it has become essentially impossible to sell Fannie and Freddie paper overseas now too:

"Feb. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Asian investors won’t buy debt and mortgage-backed securities from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac until they carry explicit U.S. guarantees, similar to those given on bonds issued by Bank of America Corp. or Citigroup Inc.

The risks are too great without a pledge that the U.S. will repay the debt no matter what, according to Hideo Shimomura, chief fund investor in Tokyo for Mitsubishi UFJ Asset Management Co., and other bondholders and analysts in Japan, China and South Korea interviewed by Bloomberg. Overseas resistance may hamper U.S. efforts to hold down home-loan rates and rebuild the nation’s largest mortgage-finance companies.

The problem is that we can't guarantee these securities. If we attempt it we will literally double the outstanding debt of the United States overnight. This will in turn destroy the bond market, spiking yields higher, which in turn will crush what's left of the credit markets (including and especially housing.)

Policy-makers must understand: This is a confidence problem and they are responsible for it. The people pulling the levers of power, including Bernanke, the OTS, OCC, President Obama and Geithner (and their predecessors, have intentionally and systematically obscured the facts and looked the other way while various people within Wall Street repeatedly misrepresented the quality of the securities they were peddling and, in many cases, the health of their firms. Do I really need to go back and cite "The economy is fundamentally sound" or "I'm going to burn the shorts" again? None of these people have been held to account for their falsehoods by our government and as a consequence the market is doing the job that government refuses to do, with the result being a market collapse.

We as Americans and in fact investors all over the world have suffered trillions of dollars in harm, a consequence that accrued to us as a direct and proximate consequence of the intentional and willful acts of these government officials and "captains of Wall Street."

Now the people with the money are quite literally leaving. They're finished with the liars and games and are taking their ball and going home, voting with their wallets. The damage being done to our capital markets is reaching critical levels and threatens to stoke a positive feedback loop that is nearly impossible to stop.

Should our policymakers not step up and put a stop to the lies and fraud in the immediate future the other actions they are taking will mean exactly nothing. A "mini-crash" of another 20-30% down in the S&P 500 (which would take us into the 600s) will destroy another 2-3 million American jobs and bankrupt hundreds of midsize and large companies, along with tens of thousands of small firms. An all-on market panic, which is looking increasingly likely and may initiate as soon as today, will result in the bankruptcy of 30% or more of the S&P 500 and an unemployment rate that will exceed 15% within the next twelve months on "official statistics", and U-6 numbers above 25% - rivaling The Great Depression.

There is no more time for game-playing. Our policy-makers were not elected to protect the malefactors and fraudsters; they were elected to protect the people.

Confidence has been lost across the board. If our government does not act decisively and quickly to restore confidence, forcing the fraud into the open and prosecuting those involved, along with setting forth a concrete path of action specifically addressing the issue of "nationalization" (in any of its various forms of dress) for financial institutions capital flight will accelerate, our financial institutions stock prices will continue on their trip to zero and our markets will crash.


My personal confidence is shaken and on the verge of being destroyed, at which point I may as well take my wealth and depart the system entirely with it, buying a piece of arable land, some chickens and goats, a passel of firearms with many cases of ammo and, just in case, some horses so I can still get around if we suffer a catastrophic economic collapse.

Yes folks, I do think it could get that bad, and it could happen very quickly if our government does not step up - now - to address the above.


Full link here: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/813-Examples-Confidence-Destroyed.html
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat May 22, 2010 2:10 am



Oh boy, I think we're going to be testing the "support level" at -56.8% in a few weeks!

I like that this graphic updates itself! Spectacular!

Let's do some more oil:

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Coal was still number one until 1965:

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Re: Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

Postby chiggerbit » Sat May 22, 2010 10:05 am

slowdazzle said said:
Apparently, MacDonald's is now the second largest processor of credit card transactions in the US.


That's not counting the use of debit cards, right?
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Postby Avalon » Sat May 22, 2010 10:32 am

chiggerbit wrote:Jack said:
Apparently, MacDonald's is now the second largest processor of credit card transactions in the US.


That's not counting the use of debit cards, right?


That's what came to mind for me too, given that my debit card is also a Visa card.

Anothershamus --regarding getting a horse, they are probably cheap these days. From what I've heard the recession has been very hard on horse owners. Your horse has to be fed and shod and sometimes see the vet. Got a plow and plowing skills?
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Re: Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

Postby chiggerbit » Sat May 22, 2010 10:35 am

Horses are huge stomachs on four legs.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat May 22, 2010 11:33 am

chiggerbit wrote:Jack said:
Apparently, MacDonald's is now the second largest processor of credit card transactions in the US.


That's not counting the use of debit cards, right?


Jack didn't say that. slowdazzle said it.
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Re: Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

Postby chiggerbit » Sat May 22, 2010 11:43 am

Oops, sorry, fixed it.
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Postby Cordelia » Sat May 22, 2010 1:18 pm

anothershamus wrote:My personal confidence is shaken and on the verge of being destroyed, at which point I may as well take my wealth and depart the system entirely with it, buying a piece of arable land, some chickens and goats, a passel of firearms with many cases of ammo and, just in case, some horses so I can still get around if we suffer a catastrophic economic collapse.


I've often felt the same way. I know this is a departure from the OP, but….Twenty five years ago, when I did what you suggest, sans the passel of firearms and cases of ammo, I wanted to leave the city (for personal safety reasons) and start over. I also wanted to live on land I could preserve for my children and their future generations. My confidence was at its highest though due to life's slings & arrows and health reasons, it's since fallen dramatically.

But I still have the land, muscle (though not my own), animals, and also, now, firearms. I justify them for hunting, since we eat meat, to end the suffering of a mortally injured animal, if no vet is available, and because of potential rabid animals. Thus far (knock on wood), they've only been used for hunting. I'm very ambivalent about guns and I can't imagine shooting another human being. But I also know, having had to fight an attacker, that I'll do whatever I have to do to save my own life and I imagine, the life of someone else. I've talked to people who are storing guns & ammo and about their justification for self protection during the coming apocalypse. Now--probably because we've talked about it for so long--it sounds like a conditioned mantra and my eyes tend to glaze over.

I've wondered, if we do have a total economic collapse, how this would play out. What do people envision doing with their weapons? I've fantasized me sitting on the deck with a rifle in my lap, my protection dogs surrounding me like sentries, inside my closed fortress, and, what....shooting people as they come up my driveway? How could I, or anyone, know the difference between a person in need, a potential ally, or a dangerous predator (I know predators are out there and they're often wolves posing as sheep and knights), all desperate as the dominoes continue to fall and 'law and order' breaks down.

You can't 'depart the system entirely'. There isn't any such thing as life on an island of total self-sufficiency. We're all inter-dependant and community and cooperation, not a pile-up of bodies, is the only answer, the only hope, IMHO. And if I'm wrong, and it really is necessary to shoot in order to live, this isn't a world I want to continue in, just to survive.
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Postby 82_28 » Sat May 22, 2010 4:34 pm

Cordelia wrote:
anothershamus wrote:My personal confidence is shaken and on the verge of being destroyed, at which point I may as well take my wealth and depart the system entirely with it, buying a piece of arable land, some chickens and goats, a passel of firearms with many cases of ammo and, just in case, some horses so I can still get around if we suffer a catastrophic economic collapse.


I've often felt the same way. I know this is a departure from the OP, but….Twenty five years ago, when I did what you suggest, sans the passel of firearms and cases of ammo, I wanted to leave the city (for personal safety reasons) and start over. I also wanted to live on land I could preserve for my children and their future generations. My confidence was at its highest though due to life's slings & arrows and health reasons, it's since fallen dramatically.

But I still have the land, muscle (though not my own), animals, and also, now, firearms. I justify them for hunting, since we eat meat, to end the suffering of a mortally injured animal, if no vet is available, and because of potential rabid animals. Thus far (knock on wood), they've only been used for hunting. I'm very ambivalent about guns and I can't imagine shooting another human being. But I also know, having had to fight an attacker, that I'll do whatever I have to do to save my own life and I imagine, the life of someone else. I've talked to people who are storing guns & ammo and about their justification for self protection during the coming apocalypse. Now--probably because we've talked about it for so long--it sounds like a conditioned mantra and my eyes tend to glaze over.

I've wondered, if we do have a total economic collapse, how this would play out. What do people envision doing with their weapons? I've fantasized me sitting on the deck with a rifle in my lap, my protection dogs surrounding me like sentries, inside my closed fortress, and, what....shooting people as they come up my driveway? How could I, or anyone, know the difference between a person in need, a potential ally, or a dangerous predator (I know predators are out there and they're often wolves posing as sheep and knights), all desperate as the dominoes continue to fall and 'law and order' breaks down.

You can't 'depart the system entirely'. There isn't any such thing as life on an island of total self-sufficiency. We're all inter-dependant and community and cooperation, not a pile-up of bodies, is the only answer, the only hope, IMHO. And if I'm wrong, and it really is necessary to shoot in order to live, this isn't a world I want to continue in, just to survive.


We're in our minds and completely out of them. In "my" mind, I say this is all by design -- they've had super computers working on this shit for decades. I also say we were meant to notice, but then be distracted and then notice again. They are "placemarkers" to see off the old timers. Then they begin to layer on the authority. Little by little. If I were the devil, that's how I would do it.

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Re: Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

Postby anothershamus » Sun May 23, 2010 12:24 am

Rio De Janeiro Warned Not to Dally on Olympic Preparations


The IOC has warned organizers of the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil that they need to get to work now because of the "immense" amount of preparations they face. The committee did say that Rio is "on the right track."

"It has laid a solid foundation, but the scope of the Olympic project is immense, and it is important that no time is wasted," said Nawal El Moutawakel, IOC coordination commission head. He noted that all 26 planned events now have a home.

Still, El Moutawakel said, "... A lot is yet to be done and six years are ahead of us, and the teams and the three levels of the government and the organizing committee are aware of the pressure that they have."


So this is a sign that Rio is on the list of countries that will be worked over. I heard Max Keiser talking to these fine folks on South Africa Radio 786. They are going to get the world cup soccer and they are worried about the financial repercussions. One of their examples was Greece, they were worked over by the financiers and they hid thce debt, (some of which was from the Olympics), to get into the Euro Union, and then by hiding all that debt, they (Goldman & Co) made lots and lots of money selling naked short the Greek bond market. Now the IMF (read Goldman & Co.) are working over the rest of the world one country at a time. Brazil is on the list, as well as South Africa, the global financiers are working their way around the world wreaking havoc.

This is a good report and I like the South Africa accent, reminiscent of District 9, and Die Antwoord.

http://www.archive.org/details/MaxKeiser-Radio786SouthAfrica-straightTalk-19May2010
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Re: Graphing the economic crisis, notice a trend?

Postby anothershamus » Wed May 26, 2010 10:08 pm

this is worth the seven minutes and 30 seconds



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JEf9-vxxkM&feature=player_embedded
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:33 pm

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