shooting at DC Holocaust museum

[American Dream]

Nordic wrote:

The Israeli-can-do-no-wrong crowd is already starting to milk this for all it's worth.

Just made the mistake of cruising past CNN.

"Help! We're being oppressed!"

Nordic, you are the person who previously posted that intensely racist piece about Jews being the cause of all the evil in the world, without any sort of critical consciousness about it. When confronted on this, you claimed that it was a mistake. Now you post the above comments.

Do you really have a decent position about racism and "white supremacy" in any way?

[American Dream]

Holocaust Museum Shooter had Close Ties to Prominent Neo-Nazis

" ... In the 1980s or early 1990s, von Brunn was employed by Noontide Press, a part of the Holocaust denying Institute of Historical Review, which was then run by Willis Carto, one of America’s most prominent anti-Semites. ... AP reported that von Brunn had painted a portrait of Rear Adm. John Crommelin, a raging anti-Semite who was a close associate of neo-Nazi William Pierce ... "


Heidi Beirich, SPLC
People's Weekly World Newspaper
06/10/09

Original source: Southern Poverty Law Center

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/06/1 ... neo-nazis/

Law enforcement officials have identified the suspect in the Holocaust Museum shootings as James Wenneker von Brunn, born in 1920, from the Eastern Shore of Maryland. D.C. Police Spokeswoman Traci Hughes reportedly said the suspect walked into the museum at about 1 p.m. ET with a rifle and shot a guard.

Von Brunn runs the website holywesternempire.org, which was listed in 2008 as a hate site by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Von Brunn has a long history of associations with prominent neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. In the 1980s or early 1990s, von Brunn was employed by Noontide Press, a part of the Holocaust denying Institute of Historical Review, which was then run by Willis Carto, one of America’s most prominent anti-Semites.

Von Brunn is the author of the 1999 book, Kill the Best Gentiles, a racist and anti-Semitic tome that argues that whites are seeing “today on the world stage a tragedy of enormous proportions: the calculated destruction of the White Race and the incomparable culture it represents. Europe, former fortress of the West, is now over-run by hordes of non-Whites and mongrels.” A raging anti-Semite, von Brunn blames “The Jews” for the destruction of the West. The book is dedicated to prominent neo-Nazis and racists including Revilo Oliver and Wilmot Robertson.

In 2003, AP reported that von Brunn had painted a portrait of Rear Adm. John Crommelin, a raging anti-Semite who was a close associate of neo-Nazi William Pierce, whose book The Turner Diaries inspired Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.

On his website, von Brunn also claims that in 1981, while wearing a “London Fog raincoat to conceal his weapons,” he attempted to put the whole Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve under “legal, non-violent citizens-arrest.” He wanted “to bind their hands and persuade them to appear on television.” The website says he was sentenced to 11 years for his actions.

A raging anti-Semitic and racist posting on the website arsenalofhypocrisy.com attributed to “James Von Brunn” says that “the Federal Reserve Act (1913) gave JEWS control of America’s Money.” It also says that “America is a Third-World racial garbage dump–stupid, ignorant, dead-broke, and terminal.” It ends with, “Prepare to die, Whitey.”

http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/15951/

[yathrib]

LOL. Wasn't William Shatner....

In his younger days, he looked like William Shatner.

As far as not hearing shots -- that museum has some strange architecture. And if they were watching a movie, they might not hear it over the audio.

[American Dream]

AMY GOODMAN: Wednesday was not James von Brunn’s first run-in with the law. Police said he was a longtime white supremacist and anti-Semite. In 1981, he was arrested after entering the headquarters of the Federal Reserve, armed with a revolver and a twelve-gauge shotgun. He told police he was planning to take Paul Volcker, then chair of the Federal Reserve Board, hostage. He ended up serving over six years in jail for that incident.

Von Brunn runs the website HolyWesternEmpire.org, which was listed last year as a hate site by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He once worked at Noontide Press, run by [Willis] Carto, one of the nation’s most prominent white nationalists and anti-Semites.

The shooting at the Holocaust Memorial Museum Wednesday marks at least the third recent shooting involving a gunman with ties to the white nationalist movement. On May 31st, anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder allegedly shot dead Dr. George Tiller at his church in Wichita, Kansas. Roeder was a former member of the Freemen, a white nationalist militia organization. On April 4th, a white supremacist in Pittsburgh shot dead three police officers.

We’re joined today by one of the nation’s leading researchers on right-wing hate groups. Leonard Zeskind has been closely monitoring white nationalist and anti-Semitic groups for over thirty years. He’s just published the book Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream. He joins us from Kansas City, where he runs the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights.

It’s good to have you with us, Leonard Zeskind. Let’s get right to this first story, what happened yesterday at the Holocaust Museum. Who is von Brunn?

LEONARD ZESKIND: Von Brunn, as you noted, is a longtime white supremacist. In the early 1970s, as you noted, he worked for Noontide Press, which was later incorporated in the Institute for Historical Review, which was a Holocaust denial outfit.

His book—in his book, he makes acknowledgments to the major, quote, “intellectual” figures of the white nationalist movement: Francis Parker Yockey, who committed suicide in a San Francisco jail in 1960; Wilmot Robertson, who developed the theory of a dispossessed white majority; and Revilo Oliver, a classics professor at the University of Illinois who wrote periodically for a magazine in West Virginia called White Power.

More at: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/11/shooting

[jlaw172364]

The authorities were tracking this guy for years; he had a website, he probably used email.

Then again, what do they care if people get killed; it provides their raison d'etre.

On the other hand, this kind of thing has happened many times before. It doesn't take much to come up with a frame for the story. The producers just consult their playbook and go with Script 104A.

Nordic seems to think that it was engineered in part to publicize Cohen's wife's play. More likely, the publicist reacted quickly and used it as an opportunity to make hay.

In fact, with something as cut and dry as a lone nut killing one non-political figure for general racist grievances, it probably is more a matter of LIHOP, or at least, opportunistic political hay-making. I'm sure various PR firms are always monitoring the media for stories they can exploit, if they are not actually behind said stories.

I find it ironic that a guy who comes from a constituency that routinely derides minority groups for accepting state aid, was on state aid himself, and who reacted to its loss, almost certainly a result of Obama's predecessor's actions, in a manner that he probably would have described said minorities of doing or being capable of.

In other words, "Wah, they cut off my benefits, I must going on a killing spree."

I'm sure he probably thought he'd go on a rampage for a long time.

[nomo]

Why is it that the people most likely to say the Holocaust didn't happen are the people who wish it had?

[Nordic]

Do you really have a decent position about racism and "white supremacy" in any way?

Give me a break. I abhor human rights violations and inequality of any kind. Also ignorance and aggression and bullying and violence.

White Supremacists are the scum of the earth. So are Jewish Supremacists.

Your insinuation is ugly. To suggest that because I call out one set of bullies means that I support another set of bullies is simply vile.

Imagine if a group of white supremacists set up their own little nation-state in the middle of Africa and started slaughtering the local population. Oh wait, that sort of happened and it was called "South Africa" and it was universally CONDEMMED to the point where it finally ended.

Yet Israel continues their crimes with the full support of the American government, the military, our tax dollars, and our mouthpiece media. And if you criticize THAT, you get called a fucking "Jew Hater".

Thanks for fanning the flames of hate.

Go figure.

[Jeff]

Your insinuation is ugly. To suggest that because I call out one set of bullies means that I support another set of bullies is simply vile.

Honestly, that's a mighty high horse you've climbed upon, after the neo-Nazi-sourced thread you had to climb down from a few weeks ago.

[Nordic]

Your insinuation is ugly. To suggest that because I call out one set of bullies means that I support another set of bullies is simply vile.

Honestly, that's a mighty high horse you've climbed upon, after the neo-Nazi-sourced thread you had to climb down from a few weeks ago.

I regret posting that. I found that over at Whatreallyhappened.com, a place which I use for an alternate news source, since they always have a pretty impressive list of news that you can't find elsewhere.

I just started reading down that list when I posted it here. No, I did not look it over thoroughly at all. I wish I hadn't put it here.

I now know to look at Whatreallyhappened.com with a much more critical eye. Whoever runs that is a real .... freak, actually. Not that there's anything wrong with freaks. But they're not very careful about what they put up over there. For instance right now there's a post there linking to some of the alleged shooter's artwork, as if to suggest that because the guy had some artistic talent he couldn't have been a violent hateful person.

I mean ...... anybody remember the promising art student Adolf Hitler?

It's a weird place over there.

I cannot think of anything I regret posting here other than that list which you mention, Jeff. Delete that thread if you want. I'd be happy to but I can't figure out how to delete a thread.

[American Dream]

Nordic, if you do indeed have clear thinking about how anti-Zionism and anti-Racism can coexist in a principled framework, then I look forward to seeing that, and will not shirk from the opportunity to withdraw my previous questions. For what it's worth, I think What Really Happened, Rense, the Institute for Historical Revisionism, and The Truth Seeker all exist in the same parallel universe, and it doesn't matter if they carry the news- they also have very deep problems...

[Nordic]

Nordic, if you do indeed have clear thinking about how anti-Zionism and anti-Racism can coexist in a principled framework, then I look forward to seeing that, and will not shirk from the opportunity to withdraw my previous questions. For what it's worth, I think What Really Happened, Rense, the Institute for Historical Revisionism, and The Truth Seeker all exist in the same parallel universe, and it doesn't matter if they carry the news- they also have very deep problems...

I agree they have very deep problems. I'm not disputing that. I don't even visit those other sites. Like I said, I check out WRH strictly for the links. If there was another site that listed those same sites every day, I'd go there instead. Sometimes I feel kind of sick to my stomach after going to WRH. Especially the more I learn about it.

On your other point, I think I do have clear thinking how anti-Zionism and anti-Racism can coexist without any problem.

Look, I hated George Bush, Dick Cheney, et al. They are criminals, gangsters, murderers, war criminals, thieves, you name it.

Does that mean I have a problem with white men?

No of course not.

I'm a white man. I was born and raised overseas, I live in one of the most racially diverse places probably on earth (Los Angeles) and I just don't think too much about races, I think about individuals and groups of individuals.

So no, I have no problem condemning Israel's acts, IDF's acts, and those who blindly support them, regardless of what race or nationality or religion they are (although I can assume that most of them are Jewish), because the acts are immoral and criminal and are supported rather than condemned by my own supposedly "representative" government.

If it's wrong, it's wrong. I don't really give a flying f*ck who the race or religion is of those doing it wrong.

I find it really annoying that there's this knee-jerk reaction of so many people with regards to anything Israel. Hell, go over to Dailykos and try to criticize anything Israel does and you will be called, immediately, a "jew hater" by a gang of idiots over there.

It's ridiculous.

[nomo]

I find it really annoying that there's this knee-jerk reaction of so many people with regards to anything Israel. Hell, go over to Dailykos and try to criticize anything Israel does and you will be called, immediately, a "jew hater" by a gang of idiots over there.

It's ridiculous.

That's because right wing hate groups and true anti-Semites are very adept at harnessing the righteous indignation of people like yourself. Just start a website with a bunch of links that every bleeding heart liberal can agree with, and sprinkle in some more odoriferous material. When you repost from sources like that, you may not be a "Jew hater" per se, but at a minimum you just outed yourself as someone who should check his sources a little better.

Hey, it happens to the best of us. The Internet is a tricky place.

[Sweejak]

I go to WRH daily and send Mike Rivero some of my finds. He is also one of the few news clearinghouses that posts user pictures of demonstrations.

[elfismiles]

Kenneth Ballen, president of the non-profit Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion, discusses the polling results of the Iranian public that show a large majority of Iranians have favorable opinions of Jews and Christians and want a more democratic society.

MP3 here. (13:09)

Ken Ballen has spent more than 20 years on the frontlines in law enforcement, international relations, intelligence oversight and congressional investigations. As a federal prosecutor, Ken successfully prosecuted international terrorists. Ken also prosecuted major figures in organized crime, international narcotics and one of the first cases in the United States involving illegal financing for Middle Eastern terrorists. Ken served as Counsel to the House Iran-Contra Committee under Chairman Lee Hamilton, where he was a lead investigator responsible for questioning key witnesses during the nationally televised hearings. Among other assignments on Capitol Hill, Ken also served as Chief Counsel to a bi-partisan Senate special investigative committee with Senator John McCain and as Chief Counsel to the House Steering and Policy Committee, where he directed policy initiatives on crime prevention and security, intelligence oversight and select national security matters for the U.S. House of Representatives. Ken received his J.D. with honors in 1980 from Columbia Law School, where he was an Editor of the Columbia Law Review. He is also an honors graduate of The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, obtaining a M.A. in International Affairs. He received his B.A. summa cum laude from Tufts University in 1977

http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/06/11/kenneth-ballen/

[American Dream]

Nordic wrote:

I'm a white man. I was born and raised overseas, I live in one of the most racially diverse places probably on earth (Los Angeles) and I just don't think too much about races, I think about individuals and groups of individuals.

So no, I have no problem condemning Israel's acts, IDF's acts, and those who blindly support them, regardless of what race or nationality or religion they are (although I can assume that most of them are Jewish), because the acts are immoral and criminal and are supported rather than condemned by my own supposedly "representative" government.

Nordic, I'm glad ro hear that you don't champion the racist/white supremacist cause, and it sounds like you might recognize that real anti-Semitism does exist, as well as the Israeli atrocities.

The only area where I would differ is around the issue of support for Israel. If in the United States, there really are 60 million "Christian Zionists", then they outnumber the Jewish supporters of Israel, by far.