Fuck Doctors

[Iamwhomiam]

Sorry to learn you're having such an experience HoL.

Before drugs like these are administered, one should always have a complete nutritional and endocrine work-up; an evaluation to determine if one's nutrition or hormonal functions are lacking or unbalanced.

[Nordic]

I absolutely agree with that. I have two family members (different branches of the family, but still ...) who were starting to act like they had serious psychiatric issues, and it turned out they both had very low thyroid function.

Problem solved.

Zyprexa (the drug you mentioned that starts with an "O" - Olazepine?) isn't that bad of a drug in my experience. I mean COMPARED to so many others. But it can make you gain a ton of weight and cause you to do a lot of uncontrolled jerking, especially in your sleep. Your wife might not like it as much if that's the case.

It's not addictive either.

Whatever you do, don't let them give you benzos. NASTY fuckers. And unbelievably addictive.

[slomo]

Hammer, I don't what to say except I'm sorry.

I know sometimes psych problems are "real" in that they are most efficiently brought under control by pharmaceuticals, and I know that sometimes it's just that life is easier for everyone else if the patient goes that route. But I share your hesitation to jump right in, knowing that at times, if not often, it's just clinical laziness and hatred of normal human variation in emotion, temperament and affect.

Hope you are better and that you can be at peace with whatever you decide to do!

[compared2what?]

eyeno, you have a moral imperative to be more sensitive to the dangers posed by your own limitations than that. Under all circumstances. Without exception.

[eyeno]

eyeno, you have a moral imperative to be more sensitive to the dangers posed by your own limitations than that. Under all circumstances. Without exception.

Considering the pickle hammer finds himself in I thought it prudent to avail him of potential side effects in the event that he may not be aware. He probably is because he is no dummie. But I figured better safe than sorry. If that violates moral codes i'm at a loss to understand the violation. Bodily organs are a terrible thing to waste.

And, my background with chemicals introduced into the human body, and their effects, due to my background, is not as limited as one may suspect.

[compared2what?]

No. You could be the greatest living expert on Zyprexa and metabolic disturbance in the world today. You still wouldn't be doing anything but endangering others by handing out advice about it on the internet without one word of qualification or demurral. You don't even know the proposed dosage.

I don't doubt your good intentions. But they don't excuse your heedlessness. Nothing does. And nothing could. You should know better.

[Hammer of Los]

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Do not fear for my sake, my brothers and sisters.

I fear not the good valerian flower.

Yes, it is true I am no dummy.

In fact, I am one hell of a smart fellow.

Yes, I know all about the medications.

I am sure the doctors don't know as much as they think they do.





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[Grizzly]

Wait until the State tells you you have Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD)....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition ... t_disorder

[crikkett]

Doctors have become not much more than drug pushers.

Some doctors, like some cops, are good-hearted and uncorrupt. Those I've met are in the VA system, which I can't praise enough, by the way.

The thing about socialized medicine: it will change lives so dramatically, just in terms of removing anxiety. It will also strip ownership of American lives away from private-sector insurance companies, freeing you poor wage-slaves to get fat and smoke cigarettes.

[Hammer of Los]

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Wait until the State tells you you have Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD)....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition ... t_disorder

The first doctor I saw clearly considered my opposition to enforced medication with atypical antipsychotics to be itself a symptom of the mental illness for which the prescription was enforced medication with atypical antipsychotics.

This is the true meaning of "begging the question;"

Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point") is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.

I just got lucky with a buddhist doctor who understood my concerns and seemed very helpful.

We'll see how it goes.

Thank you everyone very much indeed for all your kind and illuminating words.

You seem like a nice chap, grizzly.

I am opposed to ignorant misdiagnosis and prescription of dangerous meds pushed hard on me, yes.

But I seem to have gotten away with it so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Is not Philosophy the Greatest of Sciences?

The materialist paradigm is not the ultimate wisdom.

What is the Philosopher's Stone?





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[eyeno]

No. You could be the greatest living expert on Zyprexa and metabolic disturbance in the world today. You still wouldn't be doing anything but endangering others by handing out advice about it on the internet without one word of qualification or demurral. You don't even know the proposed dosage.

I don't doubt your good intentions. But they don't excuse your heedlessness. Nothing does. And nothing could. You should know better.

For pete's sake all I did was post side effects from wikipedia. The effects may not coincide with your endorsement that the the drugs are probably not a health risk but there is no need to nag me for posting the side effects. Could we have less of this please?

[slimmouse]

No. You could be the greatest living expert on Zyprexa and metabolic disturbance in the world today. You still wouldn't be doing anything but endangering others by handing out advice about it on the internet without one word of qualification or demurral. You don't even know the proposed dosage.

I don't doubt your good intentions. But they don't excuse your heedlessness. Nothing does. And nothing could. You should know better.

For pete's sake all I did was post side effects from wikipedia. The effects may not coincide with your endorsement that the the drugs are probably not a health risk but there is no need to nag me for posting the side effects. Could we have less of this please?

OK im done with this bullshit ,

So prey tell me C2W . Exactly what are the correct dosages of such meds ?

Ill leave the more important questions of who sanctioned these things in the first place//who carried out the trials/ were they independent trials ?/ until youve impressed me with your stunning knowledge of the original question.

In the meantime, heres the bottom line based upon my best assumptions gleaned from some real hard truths

Modern medicine is little more than a corporate fucking scam. It has nothing to do with cure and everything to do with treatment, and were those treatments themselves even remotely effective half the time ( beyond preserving people long enough to procure more treatment) then Id be prepared to give modern medicine the doubt. But the simple fact is they arent.

OK, Ive no doubt youre going cite us all with examples of how such medicines are doing wondrous things.

Question ; For all the miraculous advances in our technology over the last century, how many major diseases have been cured ? Menengitis , Cancer , Multiple Scleroris, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Cardiovascular disease ? I could go on , but I think you get the idea.

Heres my take. I'll bet you a pound to a piece of shit that were they available, comparable studies would clearly prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that eating well and living right would beat the shit out of "modern medicine" a thousand times over. That correct vitamin supplements would do the same.

You can well understand therefore that it comes as little surprise to me or anyone else who has studied the ongoing encroaching forced compliance with regards to what you can/cant eat, grow, take by way of natural remedy, or otherwise use to cure you and heal you has been with increasing velocity removed from the public domain.

Fuk modern medicine for sure.

[undead]

HoL - I am very sorry. I have been forced to take Zyprexa before and it was really terrible. If you found a doctor that will help you get out of that situation by offering valerian extract instead, then that is a godsend, for REAL. There are a lot of psychopharmaceutical apologist patients out there who like to tell everyone how effective and important psychiatric drugs are in general, and will often urge you to take them. I have found in my experience with psychiatric patients (majority of the US population, besides social work) that this is usually to convince themselves that their own medication is working, when it really doesn't do anything. When I took these substances I found the experience to be like a living death. You should note that with these drugs also comes the idea that you have a permanent problem that requires you to take these drugs your entire life. If you want to avoid receiving this label, then you should do your utmost to convince everyone in your life that this was an isolated incident. This will probably involve closing yourself off in some ways, but that is unfortunately a big part of dealing socially with people who are not clued in to the mystical side of things.

But it sounds like you lucked out with the Valerian prescription. From now on just keep the special feelings to yourself and find some kind of productive outlet. Remember, self control is key. That's really the only thing that differentiates "mentally ill" people from any other people who are not perfectly mentally fit either - self control to do what you have to do and deal with whatever difficulties you have in a positive way.

Oh, and just in case you were wondering, I am not a doctor. This should in no way be construed as medical advice or diagnosis.

On Zyprexa:

[undead]

[wordspeak2]

Fuck psychiatric mind-control drugs, each and every one of them. My dad prescribed those things his whole life, and he has karma to deal with for it. It's 100% a scam for control and profit, and all the good and useful drugs are illegal. Medicalize pot and MDMA, and could actually cure people of their intense sicknesses.

Zyprexa- the drug found to cause diabetes en masse, as reported in the New York Times. The other top-selling drug that Eli Lily produces? A diabetes drug.
Fuck CAPITALISM, the only system that could so naturally produce such a scam.