Poll: who thinks last weks earthquake was caused by HAARP

[No_Baseline]

[quote="chump"]Well, I'd like to think not, but I've recently read some stories on the oil and gas potential in the area. I can't bring it up right now, but it has been mentioned on page 1 of this thread


Here's one link:
http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2010/01/2 ... ke-weapon/

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So much for the cold war. Its a war to keep warm during climate change and fuel economies with Oil. One report by the USGS claims the waters near Venezuela are loaded with oil at:

http://pubs.er.usgs.gov/usgspubs/fs/fs2 ... ?from=home

I don't know about HAARP, I just ordered a book about it which I haven't read yet, but the oil/gas connection explains a hell of a lot about why the US has had such an interest in Haiti, pre- and post- earthquake...

[chump]

This Haarp thing is getting more and more traction. I just read this at the Online Journal: HAARP, Haiti, Brzezinski and the NWO
Jerry Mazza has done a great job encapsulating a case for the use of HAARP in Haiti:

"HAARP, as you will read in more detail, can shock the upper atmosphere with both a focused and navigable electromagnetic bolt. The ionosphere is the electrically charged sphere that surrounds the earth’s upper atmosphere, about 40 to 60 miles above the earth’s surface. Take a look also at the excellent Haiti Earthquake Raises HAARP Controversy at the phoenixaquua.blogspot, so you don’t think it’s just me thinking this. In fact, you can see filmed examples of how HAARP works, and how it has worked on Haiti."

He also shines a bit of a light on ZB:

"In fact, HAARP’s potential for havoc drew the attention of none other than Zbigniew Brzezinski, former NSA adviser to Jimmy Carter, science advisor to President Johnson, and political advisor to President Obama.

More than 25 years ago, when Brzezinski was a professor at Columbia University, he wrote, “Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behavior [another strange purpose HAARP can be put to]. Geophysicist Gordon J.F. MacDonald, a specialist in problems of warfare, says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain legions of the earth . . . in this way one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period.”

He capped this statement with “no matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behavior for national advantages, to some, the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades.” Let me tell you, dear readers, it’s here.

As of 1970, Brzezinski predicted HAARP could be used for “a more controlled and directed society” linked to technology. This society would be dominated by an elite group which impresses voters by allegedly superior scientific know-how.” Furthermore, Dr. Strangelove states, “Unhindered by the restrains of traditional liberal values, this elite [the New World Order of today] would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Technical and scientific momentum would then feed on the situation it exploits.”"

I have to kick it up a notch for the possibility.

[Nordic]

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/21/chavez_us_weapon_test_caused_haiti_earthquake.html


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Hugo! Wow!

When was the last time Hugo was wrong about anything?

(this is a serious question, actually)

[Nordic]

I don't care what they say
I can't live in a world...
where people might do shit like this.

I remember feeling that way after 9/11. Sitting in my yoga class, trying to meditate, thinking about that very thing.

[Percival]

Haiti is the most recent place to be exploited by western corporate interest for cheap labor. Most of the people killed used be to farmers who were hearded in to the cities and stuffed in to ill built apartment shanties stacked 5 stories high. Now that all that crumbling and aged infrastructure is destroyed we can go in and rebuild it and those who survived will be forever grateful to the western corporate slave masters and will do what they are told without question.

[Julia W]

Were last weeks eartquakes caused by HAARP?

A. No, it is a ridiculous notion
B. I can't rule it out
C. It's beginning to look like it
D. Almost certainly

I somewhere between B and D, definitely not A for me.

[beeline]

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/01/21/chavez_us_weapon_test_caused_haiti_earthquake.html


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Hugo! Wow!

When was the last time Hugo was wrong about anything?

(this is a serious question, actually)

How about it. Hugo saying this tends to make the possibility more realistic in my opinion. Let's face it, heads of state have access to information the likes of us can only imagine. And Hugo will call a spade a spade.

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[MacCruiskeen]

Whoa, careful. Chavez never said it, and there is NO evidence that he believes it. See this DU thread. Apprently the allegation (or suspicion) originated with someone from the Russian navy, and then someone from the Venezuelan Communication and Information Ministry posted it on an official web site. Chavez himself had nothing to do wth it. But now the right-wing rags are going to town calling him a loony.

(I voted "I can't rule it out ", btw.)

[beeline]

Chavez never said it, and there is NO evidence that he believes it. See this DU thread.

(I voted "I can't rule it out ", btw.)

No shit. Thanks MacC.

that posted a report from the Russian Navy.

Somehow, that got turned into Chavez making the claim by a right wing Spanish paper who didn't quote him at all, lol, and into a video report that uses stock footage.

It's a great example of "let's just make shit up about Hugo Chavez".

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That makes sense, esp. in the light in which it was sent to me by email, to wit, 'this guy is a nutcase.'

[jingofever]

HAARP? Ridiculous. They used Tesla's earthquake machine.

[NaturalMystik]

I don't know that it could have been caused by HAARP, but I do believe there may be some technology that could cause a quake.

When I see a situation where a lot of people can benefit from (ie: US military occupation in Haiti, and clean-up/construction contracts etc etc), then I just can't help but think that the situation was manufactured. I know that's not always the case at all, but a natural tendency of mine to think.

So yeah I think it's very possible it was caused by man. However I also noted that there was a new moon and a near earth asteroid fly-by, which I think could be significant in causing seismic activity. So, as they say.... Who knows?

Either way, sounds like a terrible tragedy and massive loss of life.

[Blue]

"So suspecting earthquakes of being caused by evil men with a plot is like saying every raindrop that hits your windshield is caused by the same. It just seems like a silly idea."

Except that raindrops on your windshield don't provide an opportunity for greedy corporate empire types to take over countries and steal their resources.

It IS impossible to say at this point, whether the Haiti earthquake was man-made, but there certainly are a few indications that it's quacking like that species of duck.

Perhaps Nordic used a bad analogy with raindrops on your windshield. Maybe hurricanes or droughts would have been more apt.

My question is what resources does Haiti have that any country or corporation would want to take over?

I am of the opinion that Mother Earth is a living organism and due to the ever increasing changes she is undergoing, both natural and human created, these events appear to be happening at a faster rate with more severity. Perhaps she is trying to shake off the Human fleas. China has had some catastrophic loss of life due to flooding in recent years. France had a terrible heat wave a few years back which killed many. Everyone remembers the Indian Ocean Tsunami in 04.

As far as this particular earthquake is concerned, Haiti sits right on a fault line. Earthquakes are occurring every day around the globe.

While smaller quakes happen frequently in the Caribbean, none close to this size had been seen in Haiti in more than 25 years, Grant said. That was in June 1984, when a quake measuring 6.7 occurred about 150 miles away from Port-au-Prince.

Haiti Quake along Fault Line

Here's a visual display of all seismic activity at any given time.

http://www.iris.edu/hq/

Click on the Seismic Monitor to the right.

So, to answer the original question...No, I do not think HAARP had anything to do with this earthquake and I think it's absurd to believe there's some guy like Cheney pushing buttons to cause havoc around the globe on targeted peoples at the behest of some faceless Corporation. Hell, Monsanto don't need no earthquakes to destroy small farmers from the US to India.

[Bruce Dazzling]

"So suspecting earthquakes of being caused by evil men with a plot is like saying every raindrop that hits your windshield is caused by the same. It just seems like a silly idea."

Except that raindrops on your windshield don't provide an opportunity for greedy corporate empire types to take over countries and steal their resources.

It IS impossible to say at this point, whether the Haiti earthquake was man-made, but there certainly are a few indications that it's quacking like that species of duck.

Perhaps Nordic used a bad analogy with raindrops on your windshield. Maybe hurricanes or droughts would have been more apt.

My question is what resources does Haiti have that any country or corporation would want to take over?

I am of the opinion that Mother Earth is a living organism and due to the ever increasing changes she is undergoing, both natural and human created, these events appear to be happening at a faster rate with more severity. Perhaps she is trying to shake off the Human fleas. China has had some catastrophic loss of life due to flooding in recent years. France had a terrible heat wave a few years back which killed many. Everyone remembers the Indian Ocean Tsunami in 04.

As far as this particular earthquake is concerned, Haiti sits right on a fault line. Earthquakes are occurring every day around the globe.

While smaller quakes happen frequently in the Caribbean, none close to this size had been seen in Haiti in more than 25 years, Grant said. That was in June 1984, when a quake measuring 6.7 occurred about 150 miles away from Port-au-Prince.

Haiti Quake along Fault Line

Here's a visual display of all seismic activity at any given time.

http://www.iris.edu/hq/

Click on the Seismic Monitor to the right.

So, to answer the original question...No, I do not think HAARP had anything to do with this earthquake and I think it's absurd to believe there's some guy like Cheney pushing buttons to cause havoc around the globe on targeted peoples at the behest of some faceless Corporation. Hell, Monsanto don't need no earthquakes to destroy small farmers from the US to India.

My question is what resources does Haiti have that any country or corporation would want to take over?

From the CIA World Factbook:

"bauxite, copper, calcium carbonate, gold, marble, hydropower"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ha.html

And there are also rumblings about large Haitian oil reserves.

This source isn't exactly unimpeachable, but that's why I used the term "rumblings".

http://open.salon.com/blog/ezili_danto/2009/10/13/oil_in_haiti_-_economic_reasons_for_the_unus_occupation

[Percival]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=17063

[Blue]

From the CIA World Factbook:

"bauxite, copper, calcium carbonate, gold, marble, hydropower"

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ha.html

And there are also rumblings about potential Haitian large reserves.

Wow, with all the distrust and blame placed upon the CIA at RI here's someone inferring that Haiti was probably hit with HAARP based on no less than...the CIA World Factbook! Why would you trust cia.gov over the scientists who said it was a shifting plate that caused the earthquake?

The other link looks interesting, thanks, I'll read it.

On edit: reworded to more accurately reflect Bruce's words.