shooting at pentagon

[elfismiles]

Thanks for the headsup on his podcasts cuda:

Directions to Freedom, part one (20 November 2006)
http://www.archive.org/details/JPatrick ... vember2006

Directions to Freedom, part two (25 November 2006)
http://www.archive.org/details/JPatrick ... om20061125

[Nordic]

His behavior when they confronted him at his doorway was very odd, too. No emotion, just frozen, until he suddenly "went limp"???



Then again, you've got your cases of mentally ill people smoking lots of pot to self-medicate. That's as common as dandelions.

[justdrew]

[url]“Bedell’s mulishness continued. As a detective was walking Bedell through his residence, the software engineer simply stopped and refused to go any further. Then, stranger still, he went completely limp. Detectives did not feel him to be a threat, so they searched his place and found 16 marijuana plants as well as a gardening system for the plants on the rear patio. There were also business cards bearing Bedell’s name and the legend “one gram cannabis.” However, other portions of the police report showed that they found no evidence that Bedell was a legally approved grower of medical marijuana.”[/url]

engineers gone bonkers - theme of the quarter?

Look - when did this large weed bust occur? Why was he out and about and not in jail for many many years? WTF?

[dbcooper41]

Look - when did this large weed bust occur? Why was he out and about and not in jail for many many years? WTF?

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14519258? ... ost_viewed

Orange County court records show that in 2006 he was
arrested on charges of cultivating marijuana and resisting
arrest. The felony marijuana charge was dismissed in February
2009, and he pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor resisting
arrest charge.

isn't arrest and release, another common trait of MK killers?

But Parent said he thought he knew his former student well.
"The JP I knew was always trying to help people," he said. "If
he was in a lab, he'd help, like an unofficial teaching
assistant. I still can't believe this is the JP I knew. It's
as though someone stole his identity."

[Uncle $cam]

All this also ties in well, with the recent leaked memo on keeping the masses in fear...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/22336/Re ... _Memo.html

Leaked documents reveal GOP plan to use scare tactics to raise money
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... id=4294902

[dbcooper41]

a little more update info:

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world ... y/7173587/

Bedell was diagnosed as bipolar, or manic depressive, and had been in and out of
treatment programs for years. His psychiatrist, J. Michael Nelson, said Bedell
tried to self-medicate with marijuana, inadvertently making his symptoms more
pronounced.
"Without the stabilizing medication, the symptoms of his disinhibition,
agitation and fearfullness complicated the lack of treatment," Nelson said.

anyone have any info on dr nelson?

Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research
on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology
research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of
Defense and the individual warfighter."
That document is the first tangible link to surface connecting Bedell and the
Pentagon.

potential DARPA link?

Bedell, the officials say, opened fire with a 9 mm handgun just five feet from
the nearest officer, Marvin Carraway. Fellow officer Jeffrey Amos ran out of a nearby guard booth to confront Bedell, as did a third, unidentified officer. All
three officers gave chase and fired at Bedell, who was struck in the head and
left arm.

who is the third officer and why is he not identified?

[Nordic]

Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research
on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology
research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of
Defense and the individual warfighter."
That document is the first tangible link to surface connecting Bedell and the
Pentagon.

potential DARPA link?

Hm, suddenly this fits right into Howling Rainbow's thread on nanotech and the brain, and mind control through nanotech.

DARPA's been working on nanotech to create bionically enhanced soldiers for quite some time now.

So you've got this guy "going nuts" and Amy Bishop, working on computer made out of human neurons, and she "goes nuts".

It's like something out of a bad movie.

[dbcooper41]

his shrink, dr nelson appears to work for the county.
his office is at 1131 San Felipe Road which is right down from the airport


it seems to be the location of the county substance abuse program and San Benito County Behavioral Health dept.
http://www.sbcmh.org/

http://www.doctorsdig.com/dr-james-michael-nelson.html

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Specialty:Psychiatrist / Neurologist—Psychiatry
Location:1131 San Felipe Rd
Hollister, CA 95023 Phone: 831-636-4020
Fax: 831-636-4025

dr nelson only has 1 review, he got a 1 out of 4 rating.
and as you can see his specialty is "Psychiatrist / Neurologist—Psychiatry"

iirc the shooter's mom is in student health at gavilan college.
http://www.gavilan.edu/health/referral_sb.html
they refer students to 1131 for substance abuse.

Substance Abuse Programs
1131 San Felipe Road
831-637-5594

when they say dr nelsom was his psychiatrist, i wonder how long he'd been "treating" him?

[MinM]

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[Byrne]

Is the following connected:

Friendship Heights anti-terror drill

Metro police and other emergency personnel will descend on the Friendship Heights Station starting at 11:30 Wednesday night for an anti-terrorist exercise in which mock gunmen open fire, killing or wounding several passengers.

The exercise is intended to test the ability of local governments to coordinate and respond to a major incident in the Metro system. The simulated incident, involving role players as gunmen and passengers, will begin at 12:30 a.m. Feb. 25, after the station closes. Agencies responding will include the Metro police special response team, as well as fire, police and emergency medical personnel from the District, Montgomery County and the FBI, according to a Metro statement.

or is it (more) interweb spider bullshit?

[elfismiles]

What, if anything, might the marijuana addiction aspect of this incident, do for the current push to legalize (medicinal and otherwise) considering it's being "re-evaluated" for economic reasons.

Where's that thread on long term psychosis from pot smoking?

[Canadian_watcher]

Where's that thread on long term psychosis from pot smoking?

he he..
You mean psychosis from long term-pot smoking.

[wordspeak2]

It's obviously a great double whammy for the PTB. A "9/11 truther" *and* a marijuana activist/addict who was against federal government intrusion into medical marijuana. In my humble opinion, "9/11 truth" and the medical marijuana movement are the two most important trends/movements/memes out there in the U.S. right now. Lumping them together and associating both with a crazed-Pentagon-killer-- brilliant! Where did they find this guy? Oh, Orange County.
No, actually, this is a tragically brilliant psy-op, especially the medical marijuana part. Because, remember, as we learned a few days ago- pot causes psychosis. And we know what happens when you're psychotic-- you open fire on the very people who are defending you, the Defense Department. Oh, these anti-government wingnuts. If there are any in *your* family or circle of friends, do be sure to notify authorities (I loved that part on the CNN clip at the end- did anybody catch that?).

[compared2what?]

a little more update info:

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world ... y/7173587/

Bedell was diagnosed as bipolar, or manic depressive, and had been in and out of
treatment programs for years. His psychiatrist, J. Michael Nelson, said Bedell
tried to self-medicate with marijuana, inadvertently making his symptoms more
pronounced.
"Without the stabilizing medication, the symptoms of his disinhibition,
agitation and fearfullness complicated the lack of treatment," Nelson said.

anyone have any info on dr nelson?

He appears to have a clean and unexceptional record.

He's no spring chicken, tho -- he got his license in 1968, and must have been very close to retirement, if not semi-retired already. Because the small number of physicians, high patient volume and wide range of insurance policies accepted at the San Benito County Clinic...



....all suggest to me a fee-for-service case-worker-type operation for the indigent or semi-indigent that uses psychiatrists only for scrip-writing purposes. In which case, Bedell probably had very little contact with Nelson. But maybe they file a Form 990 that might shed further light on the question. I'll go look.

Curiously, Bedell also proposed in 2004 that the Pentagon fund his own research
on smart weapons. The 28-page proposal outlined his idea for DNA nanotechnology
research that might "provide significant new capabilities for the Department of
Defense and the individual warfighter."
That document is the first tangible link to surface connecting Bedell and the
Pentagon.

potential DARPA link?

I doubt it. I mean if there were a DARPA link -- at least in the context of his having been conditioned as a Manchurian Candidate by DARPA -- you'd kind of expect his programmers to have been sufficiently on-the-ball wrt track-covering not to leave a 28-page research proposal that he'd submitted to the Pentagon lying around where anyone could find it, you know?

Bedell, the officials say, opened fire with a 9 mm handgun just five feet from
the nearest officer, Marvin Carraway. Fellow officer Jeffrey Amos ran out of a nearby guard booth to confront Bedell, as did a third, unidentified officer. All
three officers gave chase and fired at Bedell, who was struck in the head and
left arm.

who is the third officer and why is he not identified?

He's presumably unnamed for a combination of constitutional privacy and common-sense security reasons. I mean, they're naming the two officers who were wounded, because they were directly involved. But there's not any particularly newsworthy reason for them to release the name of anyone else on the duty roster, thereby potentially making targets out of them.

FWIW, per the Wall Street Journal, he attended some undergraduate classes at San Jose University in 1995 - '96 in chemical engineering, but received no degree. (He also took some graduate courses there in electrical engineering in 2008, but received no degree.) Also, per The San Jose Mercury-News, in high school, Bedell was smart, quiet, non-violent, and "kind of weird, kind of Santa-Cruz-ish."

I'm not sure what the Santa-Cruzishness implies. But the rest of it, taken together, is less compatible with Bipolar Disorder than it is with it is with something more in the schizophrenic and/or schizotypal ballpark, where being quiet and a little weird until your late teens or early twenties and then more floridly psychotic on an episodic basis thereafter is the commonest pattern there is, if you're male.

If so, the pot makes a lot of sense, too. Almost nobody stays on anti-psychotic meds at therapeutic doses for any longer than they can't avoid, since taking them is a pure lucid nightmare. But being schizo-ish is pretty unpleasant for most people, too. Pot might well be the best realistically available option. And possibly a very therapeutically effective one, in a supportive and stress-minimizing environment. Which the healthcare system doesn't provide and very few people can achieve independently. Of course.

Or he might not have been organically mentally ill at all, of course. I'm certainly not hanging my hat on the assertion that he was.

I just don't really see the advantage of excluding any plausible possibility at this point. I mean, there's very little evidence available, and there are very few ways of verifying what little there is. Apart from confirmation bias, there's just not a whole lot there to work with yet, therefore.

[dbcooper41]

compared2what?

He's presumably unnamed for a combination of constitutional privacy and common-sense security reasons. I mean, they're naming the two officers who were wounded, because they were directly involved. But there's not any particularly newsworthy reason for them to release the name of anyone else on the duty roster, thereby potentially making targets out of them.

i'm pretty sure i read that the 3rd, unidentified officer is the one who fired the fatal shot.
if that's correct, he's pretty involved. sorry i don't have the link but i'll try and find it.
do they usually withhold the names in fatal shootings? wouldn't that be some type of public record?