Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:45 pm

barracuda wrote:I think it's worth my time to say you'd be quite wrong to see this as a completely honest accounting of the profession of psychiatry, much of which has involved the honest attempts by honest people to better the lives of suffering individuals


On the contrary, the film is very honest and quite factual in nature. I challenge you to offer any specific points to support your dismissive attitude. Of course, that would mean watching the movie, and you don't feel like doing that. "Honest attempts by honest individuals" could include any and all genocidal holocausts, including the colonization of the Americas as well as the T-4 Euthanasia Program. After all, it is possible for delusional control freaks to honestly believe in their insane ideologies. In fact, it is necessary for them to be "honest" in order to go through with it. So defending the practice of psychiatry as "honest" is meaningless. Of course they are honest. That doesn't mean that they are right, or even close to being right. The facts of the matter indicate that they are tragically mistaken, to say the least.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby justdrew » Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:57 pm

undead wrote:
barracuda wrote:I think it's worth my time to say you'd be quite wrong to see this as a completely honest accounting of the profession of psychiatry, much of which has involved the honest attempts by honest people to better the lives of suffering individuals


On the contrary, the film is very honest and quite factual in nature. I challenge you to offer any specific points to support your dismissive attitude. Of course, that would mean watching the movie, and you don't feel like doing that. "Honest attempts by honest individuals" could include any and all genocidal holocausts, including the colonization of the Americas as well as the T-4 Euthanasia Program. After all, it is possible for delusional control freaks to honestly believe in their insane ideologies. In fact, it is necessary for them to be "honest" in order to go through with it. So defending the practice of psychiatry as "honest" is meaningless. Of course they are honest. That doesn't mean that they are right, or even close to being right. The facts of the matter indicate that they are tragically mistaken, to say the least.


but you're referring primarily to the POST DSM era (as discussed in the Trap) and not the wider field before that 'revolution' in objective diagnosis.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:02 pm

Side Effects May Include Lawsuits

FOR decades, antipsychotic drugs were a niche product. Today, they’re the top-selling class of pharmaceuticals in America, generating annual revenue of about $14.6 billion and surpassing sales of even blockbusters like heart-protective statins.

While the effectiveness of antipsychotic drugs in some patients remains a matter of great debate, how these drugs became so ubiquitous and profitable is not. Big Pharma got behind them in the 1990s, when they were still seen as treatments for the most serious mental illnesses, like hallucinatory schizophrenia, and recast them for much broader uses, according to previously confidential industry documents that have been produced in a variety of court cases.

Anointed with names like Abilify and Geodon, the drugs were given to a broad swath of patients, from preschoolers to octogenarians. Today, more than a half-million youths take antipsychotic drugs, and fully one-quarter of nursing-home residents have used them. Yet recent government warnings say the drugs may be fatal to some older patients and have unknown effects on children.

The new generation of antipsychotics has also become the single biggest target of the False Claims Act, a federal law once largely aimed at fraud among military contractors. Every major company selling the drugs — Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson — has either settled recent government cases for hundreds of millions of dollars or is currently under investigation for possible health care fraud.

Two of the settlements, involving charges of illegal marketing, set records last year for the largest criminal fines ever imposed on corporations. One involved Eli Lilly’s antipsychotic, Zyprexa; the other involved a guilty plea for Pfizer’s marketing of a pain pill, Bextra. In the Bextra case, the government also charged Pfizer with illegally marketing another antipsychotic, Geodon; Pfizer settled that part of the claim for $301 million, without admitting any wrongdoing.

The companies all say their antipsychotics are safe and effective in treating the conditions for which the Food and Drug Administration has approved them — mostly, schizophrenia and bipolar mania — and say they adhere to tight ethical guidelines in sales practices. The drug makers also say that there is a large population of patients who still haven’t taken the drugs but could benefit from them.

AstraZeneca, which markets Seroquel, the top-selling antipsychotic since 2005, says it developed such drugs because they have fewer side effects than older versions.

“It’s a drug that’s been studied in multiple clinical trials in various indications,” says Dr. Howard Hutchinson, AstraZeneca’s chief medical officer. “Getting these patients to be functioning members of society has a tremendous benefit in terms of their overall well-being and how they look at themselves, and to get that benefit, the patients are willing to accept some level of side effects.”

The industry continues to market antipsychotics aggressively, leading analysts to question how drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration for about 1 percent of the population have become the pharmaceutical industry’s biggest sellers — despite recent crackdowns.

Some say the answer to that question isn’t complicated.

“It’s the money,” says Dr. Jerome L. Avorn, a Harvard medical professor and researcher. “When you’re selling $1 billion a year or more of a drug, it’s very tempting for a company to just ignore the traffic ticket and keep speeding.”

NEUROLEPTIC drugs — now known as antipsychotics — were first developed in the 1950s for use in anesthesia and then as powerful sedatives for patients with schizophrenia and other severe psychotic disorders, who previously might have received surgical lobotomies.

But patients often stopped taking those drugs, like Thorazine and Haldol, because they could cause a range of involuntary body movements, tics and restlessness.

A second generation of drugs, called atypical antipsychotics, was introduced in the ’90s and sold to doctors more broadly, on the basis that they were safer than the old ones — an assertion that regulators and researchers are continuing to review because the newer drugs appear to cause a range of other side effects, even if they cause fewer tics.

Contentions that the new drugs are superior have been “greatly exaggerated,” says Dr. Jeffrey A. Lieberman, chairman of the psychiatry department at Columbia University. Such assertions, he says, “may have been encouraged by an overly expectant community of clinicians and patients eager to believe in the power of new medications.”

“At the same time,” he adds, “the aggressive marketing of these drugs may have contributed to this enhanced perception of their effectiveness in the absence of empirical evidence.”

Others agree. “They sold the story they’re more safe, when they aren’t,” says Robert Whitaker, a journalist who has written two books about psychiatric medicines. “They had to cover up the problems. Right from the start, we got this false story.”

The drug companies say all the possible side effects are fully disclosed to the F.D.A., doctors and patients. Side effects like drowsiness, nausea, weight gain, involuntary body movements and links to diabetes are listed on the label. The companies say they have a generally safe record in treating a difficult disease and are fighting lawsuits in which some patients claim harm.

The cases, both civil and criminal, against many of the world’s largest drug makers have unveiled hundreds of previously confidential documents showing that some company officials were aware they were using questionable tactics when they marketed these powerful, expensive drugs.

Such marketing, according to analysts and court documents, included payments, gifts, meals and trips for doctors, biased studies, ghostwritten medical journal articles, promotional conference appearances, and payments for postgraduate medical education that encourages a pro-drug outlook among doctors. All of these are tools that federal investigators say companies have used to exaggerate benefits, play down risks and promote off-label uses, meaning those the F.D.A. hasn’t approved.

Lawyers suing AstraZeneca say documents they have unearthed show that the company tried to hide the risks of diabetes and weight gain associated with the new drugs. Positive studies were hyped, the documents show; negative ones were filed away.

According to company e-mails unsealed in civil lawsuits, AstraZeneca “buried” — a manager’s term — a 1997 study showing that users of Seroquel, then a new antipsychotic, gained 11 pounds a year, while the company publicized a study that asserted they lost weight. Company e-mail messages also refer to doing a “great smoke-and-mirrors job” on an unfavorable study.

“The larger issue is how do we face the outside world when they begin to criticize us for suppressing data,” John Tumas, then AstraZeneca’s publications manager, wrote in a 1999 e-mail. “We must find a way to diminish the negative findings,” he added. “But, in my opinion, we cannot hide them.”

Tony Jewell, an AstraZeneca spokesman, said last week that the company had turned over all that material to the F.D.A. as part of the approval process and updated its label over the years to show the latest safety information.

Dr. Stefan P. Kruszewski, a Harvard-educated psychiatrist who once worked as a paid speaker for several drug makers, became a government informant and now consults for plaintiffs suing drug companies. Earlier in his career, he spoke at events for Pfizer, GlaxoSmithKline and Johnson & Johnson as an advocate of antipsychotics. He said one company offered him incentives of $1,000 or more every time he talked to an individual doctor about one of its drugs.

“When I started speaking for companies in the late 1980s and early ’90s, I was allowed to say what I thought I should say consistent with the science,” he recalls. “Then it got to the point where I was no longer allowed to do that. I was given slides and told, ‘We’ll give you a thousand dollars if you say this for a half-hour.’ And I said: ‘I can’t say that. It isn’t true.’ ”

Slides for one new antipsychotic drug contended that it had no neurological side effects. “They made it all up,” Dr. Kruszewski said. “It was never true.”

The antipsychotics found an easy route around regulations because of the leeway given to many big drug makers.

While drug companies are prohibited from promoting drugs for conditions for which they have not been proved safe and effective, their paid consultants, researchers and educators may do that for them verbally and in company-sponsored studies.

“They can give a small hint, and people will take the bait,” says Dr. Robert Rosenheck, a professor of psychiatry and public health at the Yale School of Medicine, who has received research support from drug makers and federal agencies. “Psychiatric disorders are vaguely defined enough that you can stretch definitions,” he says. “So many treatments are completely ineffective, people are willing to try anything.”

For their part, doctors are free to prescribe any approved drug for any medical condition they choose, even if the drug hasn’t been approved for that specific treatment. “Because they’re approved, they become an alternative for doctors who can’t think of what else to prescribe,” says Dr. Daniel J. Carlat, an associate professor of psychiatry at Tufts University. “Whether they’re useful or not is unclear.”

Analysts said that given the profits that were to be made, the murkiness of mental disorders, and holes in the regulatory regime, marketing excesses were bound to occur.

“If you have a lot of money on the table and you have clinical uncertainty over mental health conditions, where you don’t have a blood test or objective test for it, you see it’s kind of a combustible mixture,” says Dr. Mark Olfson, a Columbia University psychiatry professor and researcher.

DOCUMENTS produced in recent litigation and in Congressional investigations show that some leading academic doctors have worked closely with corporate benefactors to expand the use of antipsychotics.

The most well-known is Joseph Biederman, a Harvard medical professor and Massachusetts General Hospital researcher. His studies, examining prevalence of bipolar psychological disorders in children, helped expand practice standards, leading to a fortyfold increase in such diagnoses from 1994 to 2003. The increase was reported in a 2007 study by the Archives of General Psychiatry.

Between 2000 and 2007, he also got $1.6 million in speaking and consulting fees — some of them undisclosed to Harvard — from companies including makers of antipsychotic drugs prescribed for some children who might have bipolar disorder, a Senate investigation found in 2008.

Johnson & Johnson gave more than $700,000 to a research center that was headed by Dr. Biederman from 2002 to 2005, records show, and some of its work supported the company’s antipsychotic drug, Risperdal.

Dr. Biederman says that the money did not influence him and that some of his work supported other drugs.

“Dr. Biederman’s research does not promote a particular diagnosis or treatment,” his lawyer, Peter Spivack, wrote in an e-mail on Thursday.

The increase in pediatric bipolar diagnosis, the lawyer said, “cannot be attributed solely to Dr. Biederman’s work.” Treatment was expanded to help children and their families, he said.

Mr. Spivack said Dr. Biederman’s disclosure lapses were minor and inadvertent. A Harvard spokesman said they were still under review.

According to government investigators and plaintiffs’ lawyers, many of the studies of antipsychotics were conceived in marketing departments of pharmaceutical companies, written by ghostwriters and then signed by prominent physicians — giving the illusion that the doctors were undertaking their studies independently.

Such practices continue.

“The content is preplanned,” said one doctor who has worked as an uncredited medical writer for antipsychotic studies. Data is used selectively and interpreted for company benefit, said the doctor, who still works in medical writing and spoke on the condition of anonymity to preserve future job prospects.

“Review articles and original research articles have advertising messages in them,” the doctor said. “That’s part of the plan.”

Such papers influence medicine in many ways, as sales representatives show them to doctors and future research builds upon them.

ACCORDING to the Justice Department, drug companies trained sales reps to rebut valid medical concerns about unproved uses of antipsychotics. For example, the department says, Lilly produced a video called “The Myth of Diabetes” to sell Zyprexa, which became its all-time best-selling drug, even though evidence showed that Zyprexa could cause diabetes, as well as other metabolic problems.

Lilly salespeople also promoted a “5 at 5” drug regimen in nursing homes — 5 milligrams of Zyprexa at 5 p.m. to settle down agitated older patients for the night. A Lilly spokesman declined to say when those sales campaigns occurred. But in 2005, after a new analysis of 15 previous studies, the F.D.A. issued a public health advisory saying the use of antipsychotics to calm older dementia patients would increase risk of death from heart failure or pneumonia. The F.D.A. asked drug makers to add a special warning about that on packaging.

Over the years, as psychiatrists learned more about the drugs’ risks, companies promoted them more to family doctors, pediatricians and geriatricians. Pfizer paid more than 250 child psychiatrists to promote its antipsychotic, Geodon, at a time when it was approved only for adults, according to a government filing with the Pfizer settlement last year.

High-prescribing doctors pocketed extra money in the form of research payments, speaking fees, gifts, meals and junkets — some of which the government has specifically termed illegal “kickbacks.”

In its suit against AstraZeneca, the government produced documents showing that the company paid a Chicago psychiatrist, Dr. Michael Reinstein, nearly $500,000 over a decade to do research, travel and speak for it — even as he led a Medicaid practice he had described to the company as one of “the largest prescribers of Seroquel in the world.”

Dr. Reinstein and AstraZeneca have both denied any misconduct.

In April, AstraZeneca became the fourth major drug company in three years to settle a government investigation with a hefty payment — in its case, $520 million for what federal officials described as an array of illegal promotions of antipsychotics for children, the elderly, veterans and prisoners. Still, the payment amounted to just 2.4 percent of the $21.6 billion AstraZeneca made on Seroquel sales from 1997 to 2009.

LAST year, Eli Lilly and Pfizer settled investigations resulting in the largest criminal fines in United States history. Lilly paid a $515 million criminal fine as part of a broader, $1.4 billion settlement with the government. Pfizer later paid a $1.3 billion criminal fine as part of a broader, $2.3 billion settlement.

The Lilly case focused entirely on its antipsychotic drug Zyprexa, while Pfizer’s settlement included $301 million related to its antipsychotic, Geodon, along with marketing of other drugs.

In 2007, Bristol-Myers Squibb paid $515 million to settle federal and state investigations into marketing of its antipsychotic drug Abilify to child psychiatrists and nursing homes. Bristol-Myers Squibb, like AstraZeneca, denied any misconduct.

Johnson & Johnson is currently under investigation by the Justice Department, which says it paid kickbacks to induce Omnicare, the nation’s largest nursing home pharmacy, to recommend Risperdal, government filings show. Omnicare paid $98 million last November to settle civil charges.

J.& J. is fighting a government lawsuit and says in court filings that it was paying rebates — an argument endorsed in a filing by the industry trade group, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.

Some officials at companies say they’ve made systemic changes to avoid illegal marketing of antipsychotics and other products.

“That was a blemish for us,” John C. Lechleiter, Eli Lilly’s chief executive, said in an interview. “We don’t ever want that to happen again. We put measures in place to assure that not only do we have the right intentions in integrity and compliance, but we have systems in place to support that.”

Jeffrey B. Kindler, Pfizer’s chief executive, voiced similar thoughts in an interview. “Never again,” he said. “I take this very seriously.”

Mr. Kindler is operating under Pfizer’s third corporate accountability agreement, a five-year promise to the federal government to reform sales behavior, monitor employees and disclose misconduct. The first was signed in 2002 for withholding rebates for Lipitor. The second, in 2004, was for illegal marketing of the seizure drug Neurontin. The third, last year, was for illegal marketing of the painkiller Bextra.

Pfizer officials say they inherited the first two situations with their acquisitions of two other companies, Warner-Lambert and Parke-Davis.

“It wasn’t our people,” says Douglas Lankler, a senior vice president and chief compliance officer at Pfizer.

Lew Morris, chief counsel for the inspector general of the Department of Health and Human Services, says he is serious about bolstering government efforts to reform or punish drug makers for illegal sales of antipsychotics.

“The message we want to send to the industry is it’s not just the same-old, same-old,” he said in an interview.

He agrees that few industry employees have gone to jail for white-collar crimes, but says this may change soon. “We’re targeting managers and executives who should have known,” he said.

Mr. Morris says some companies are “too big to debar” from government contracts, since doing so would just hurt patients needing medicine. But he says discussions are under way about forcing one health care company to sell off a subsidiary accused of fraud. And directors who ignore information may face more risk of shareholder suits, he says.

Over the next year, the government is adding at least 15 prosecutors and 100 investigators to pursue health care fraud.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, also strengthened its marketing code of conduct two years ago, banning gifts and meals, although salespeople can still bring meals to doctors’ offices.

Some companies are also disclosing their consulting and speaking payments, as required by the government agreements. And groups in charge of medical writing and postgraduate education have taken steps to disclose or reduce industry influence.

But more than 1,000 False Claims Act lawsuits are still under way, most of them focused on health care and many on lucrative antipsychotic drugs. For that reason alone, critics say they think the industry still hasn’t gone far enough to change questionable practices.

“The drug industry still rewards sales,” says Stephen A. Sheller, a lawyer who has represented whistle-blowers in the Lilly and AstraZeneca cases. “And it’s still easy to market these drugs to doctors who are rushed.”
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:11 pm

justdrew wrote:but you're referring primarily to the POST DSM era (as discussed in the Trap) and not the wider field before that 'revolution' in objective diagnosis.


Not sure if you're referring to me or cuda, but there really isn't much of a difference except that now the jargon being employed is much more dense and complicated. Some drugs are new but they still use the older ones, including Haldol which was used by the Soviets on political dissidents. They also still use electroshock. I was in a private "clinic" where people were getting "electroconvulsive therapy". That is usually how they get people to take drugs against their will, by threatening to inject you and then electrocute you if you continue to be non-compliant.

When I was inside I met a 30 year old woman who had been in and out of psychiatric hospitals for 9 years. She had checked herself in that time because she was loosing control and unable to continue her daily activities of living. She had a PhD in Pscyhology, but couldn't understand why she was still psychotic after 9 years of treatment for the trauma she suffered when she was raped as a young woman. She insisted that ECT saved her life.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby barracuda » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:12 pm

undead wrote:On the contrary, the film is very honest and quite factual in nature. I challenge you to offer any specific points to support your dismissive attitude. Of course, that would mean watching the movie, and you don't feel like doing that.


Now you are calling me a liar, which doesn't really impell me to do much at all, but does reveal something about you. As I stated before, I did watch much of it. If you think a ten minute photo collage on the horrors of Bedlam, for example, has some real relevance to the psychiatric industry today, you should state what that is. Most of this information is old news to anyone who has even briefly looked into the subject. The historical background presented here has no context as to what the prevailing tenor and practices within the medical industry generally were at the time, which, by and large, was barbaric as well. But the film makes it seem as if there was an available alternative to the confinement of the seriously mentally ill at that time, which may not have been the case.

The film rather categorically pushes the belief that no one has ever been aided by the use of psychopharmacology, which I doubt sincerely is the case. It presents a slew of horror stories, while ignoring completely any case or study which demonstrates an opposing viewpoint. If you think that constitues objectivity, I would disagree.

"Honest attempts by honest individuals" could include any and all genocidal holocausts, including the colonization of the Americas as well as the T-4 Euthanasia Program. After all, it is possible for delusional control freaks to honestly believe in their insane ideologies. In fact, it is necessary for them to be "honest" in order to go through with it. So defending the practice of psychiatry as "honest" is meaningless. Of course they are honest. That doesn't mean that they are right, or even close to being right. The facts of the matter indicate that they are tragically mistaken, to say the least.


Yes, well, life being what it is, honest intentions still carry some weight with me, even on the road to hell.
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Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:21 pm

barracuda wrote:Yes, well, life being what it is, honest intentions still carry some weight with me, even on the road to hell.


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Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:33 pm

The Pharmacaust

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20,000,000 Dead. So far.

In the video below (at the bottom of this page), you will see and/or hear (in the order in which they appear) Robert Whitaker (author of the acclaimed book Mad in America), the late Dr. Loren Mosher (the first Chief of the Center for Schizophrenia Studies at the National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH) and the founder and Editor-In-Chief, for its first twelve years, of the foremost schizophrenia research journal, Schizophrenia Bulletin), Sue (a psychiatric survivor whose voice you will hear), and Dr. Daniel Kriegman (a founder of Zuzu's Place, where the discussion takes place). In the video, they calculate the amount of death and destruction wrought by "antipsychotic" drugs.

Their calculation is an attempt to measure the magnitude of what could be termed "The Pharmacaust." As you will see, the toll, thus far exceeds that of almost all natural disasters and the worst acts of human inhumanity. When you consider this, it becomes quite interesting to consider the embarrassment Sue voices, when Dr. Kriegman compares the pharmacological destruction of millions of people with the Holocaust, as if he is engaging in wild exaggeration and inflammatory hyperbole. The two horrific holocausts are certainly different in many important ways—not the least of which are that the numbers from the Pharmacaust are much larger, it is still happening, and it is growing with increasing speed. However, the horror experienced by the victims may not be all that different. Terrified people are cornered. Their cries and pleas are completely ignored. And they are then forced to submit to dehumanizing procedures which ultimately lead to their destruction.
"Comparing psychiatry to Nazism is just too far-fetched. You people are nuts!"
OK. We agree. This whole line of thinking does sound extreme, even "over the top." So let's step back and acknowledge how jarring and wrong-headed it appears to be to compare well-intentioned "treatment" with intentional mass murder and attempted genocide.

Yet, we cannot let uncomfortable notions (even if jarring and seemingly extreme) lead us to ignore aspects of reality just because considering them is so unsettling. First consider that false beliefs could enable genuine good intentions to underlie destructive actions of treatment providers, i.e., of people who are truly trying to help those they injure. There are many examples of this, but let's just present one from a primitive form of ancient psychiatry, trephining. In trephining, one tries to let the evil spirits out by making a whole in the person's head. Obviously, even if well-intentioned, this "treatment" was unlikely to cause anything but infection and death.

Next we have to reconsider the intentions of the Nazis. They actually believed that they were curing homo sapiens of a disease by ridding the superior Aryan Race of the infectious agents that were endangering humanity's very existence. As bizarre as it seems, it is unquestionable that the Nazi leadership had "good," i.e., idealistic, intentions! Their attempt to exterminate the Jews (and their longer range plans to eliminate most other segments of humanity) was justified by the insane notion that—as with brutal, pseudo-medical procedures like trephining—they were engaging in necessary, painful actions for the good of the patient (humanity, read "Aryans"). How is this so different—especially when one looks at it from the point of view of the victims—from psychotropic drug pushers who repeat false notions about chemical imbalances and necessary treatments (while openly acknowledging ugly, horrifying, and not infrequently deadly side effects) to justify forced medication that destroys many of their involuntary "patients"?

If the video above fails to play, left-click here; to download, right-click.

The central role played by psychiatry

But despite the fact that most psychiatrists are well meaning and show no particular tendency to engage in totalitarian violence, we do have to go even further and ask ourselves, is it just a coincidence that psychiatry played a crucial role in Nazi Germany's organized mass murder? Since most people are unaware of the central role psychiatry played in the evolution of Nazi extermination efforts, we need to take a closer look. Prepare to be surprised!

As the video on the right documents, organized psychiatry did, indeed, play a crucial role in the evolution of the Nazi Holocaust. Given Hitler's initial plan to ship the Jews out of the Nazi empire to some place like Madagascar, there is a real question as to whether his genocidal "Final Solution" would ever have developed had it not been for the earlier mass murder—organized by medical doctors and led by psychiatrists—of those deemed "defective" by the Nazis.

Psychiatrists are NOT Nazis!

OK. OK. Before you cry foul once more and get the feeling that we are grossly exaggerating, let us again acknowledge that there is one very obvious and real difference between the practice of modern psychiatry and the Nazi genocide (even if it was aided and abetted by psychiatry). And that is that, unlike the Nazis and others who commit outright murder, neuroleptic treatment prescribers believe they are helping the victims themselves.

Unfortunately, however, their own research, their own studies, make it unmistakably clear that this belief is false: With simple supportive care, the majority of the victims of The Pharmacaust—we are referring to those people who are acknowledged to have suffered severe damage and/or death from drug treatments—would have recovered from their psychotic breakdowns naturally, without any chemical intervention. Though this flies in the face of almost universally held beliefs promulgated by those who derive enormous profit from the use of the neuroleptics, the evidence for this conclusion is unequivocal.

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Accidental Executioners? So, was it just a coincidence?

And despite the important difference between modern psychiatry and the psychiatry abetted Nazi abomination, we would suggest that it is NOT just a coincidence that the same branch of medicine that played a crucial role in the generation of the Holocaust presides over such horrendous, and frequently deadly mistreatment today. No, psychiatry is not inherently evil; the vast majority of psychiatrists are reasonably conscientious doctors who want to help their patients.

However, as in the phrase "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely," when the dominant party to a human interaction feels that they are completely right and that the other party is too mentally incompetent to even bother to listen to (whether due to retardation or a "chemical imbalance" or a coma or "insanity"), the stage is set for profound abuse. The dominant party can feel perfectly justified in assuming absolute power over the other. And when the dominant party is in turn brought under the control of truly massive financial interests (e.g., the pharmaceutical industry) that are organized in the form of corporations that have a legal obligation to pursue only one agenda (to maximize profits) for shareholders (who are far removed from the human interaction), the stage is further set for a truly tragic outcome.

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Report: Mentally ill die younger

July 2007

By Pamela Berard

Adults with serious mental illness who are treated in public systems have a life expectancy that is about 25 years less than Americans overall.

In the early 1990s, the gap in life spans was about 10 to 15 years. The increase is alarming, notes Joseph Parks, M.D., medical director of psychiatric services for the Missouri Department of Mental Health and lead author of the recently released report, "Morbidity and Mortality in People with Serious Mental Illness."

"What other group in America has lost 10 years of life expectancy in the last decade and a half?" asks Parks, who is also president of the Medical Directors Council for the National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors (NASMHPD).

NASMHPD put together the study. The Massachusetts Department of Mental Health was the first state to conduct and present results of a study that led to the 16-state Study on Mental Health Performance Measures . . .

Mortality data was volunteered from eight of those states from the time period of 1997-2000. Among the eight states that submitted mortality data, it was found that people with serious mental illness served by the public mental health system had a higher relative risk of death. While some deaths were caused by suicide or accidents, the majority - about three in five - died of natural causes or preventable diseases, including heart disease, cancer, lung disease or complications from HIV/AIDS.

In Massachusetts, the cardiovascular mortality was 6.6 times higher in clients of the Department of Mental Health, compared to the general population, during a three-year period . . .

The mortality study may be viewed on the NASMHPD Web site, http://www.nasmhpd.org.


By 1990, the traditional approach to care had already shaved 10 to 15 years off their lives. Now, with "new advances in the treatment of mental illness," the average person diagnosed with severe mental illness and treated in our mental health system dies 25 years earlier than other people.

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Though the empirical evidence (presented or linked to on this and other Yoism pages) shows that most people would do better if never given neuroleptic drugs, and that (given their dangerous side effects) most people should not be kept on them for very long, withdrawal from neuroleptics can be destabilizing and dangerous. The human body adjusts or becomes accustomed to drugs that are taken regularly. Abrupt withdrawal from such drugs and other substances can cause problematic reactions, e.g., DT's when withdrawing from alcohol and convulsions when withdrawing from barbiturates. Just so, withdrawal from the regular use of psychiatric drugs can pose serious dangers. If you are taking such drugs and wish to withdraw, it may be very important to obtain guidance from folks who know how to do so safely. Here is a link to an informational web site put together by people who have gone through (or supported those who have gone through) withdrawal from psychiatric drugs.

Unlike conspiracy theorists, whose far-fetched conclusions can be refuted by experts who can point to the evidence, in this case, a dispassionate, careful review of the evidence shows that it is Big Pharma that is using selective presentation of the evidence and faulty reasoning in support of one of the most profitable industries that has ever existed. Though we created this page and the video below in 2003, we continued to face mocking dismissal by "the experts" right up until 2006 when the evidence started to accumulate about the existence of massive fraud in the drug industry.

Today when faced with this overwhelming evidence, do the experts change their minds and practice? No. While they no longer respond with ridicule, they no longer respond! That is, even though the evidence has not yet changed their practice and they continue to believe and act as they did, the evidence is so overwhelming that they no longer know how to respond without becoming confused, losing their balance, and becoming tongue-tied. So they just turn away!
Contrarian view supported by the evidence, or paranoid, conspiracy theory?

And if you are skeptical of contrarian views, so are we. Unlike conspiracy theorists who use inconsistencies in the facts to create complex alternative scenarios, we would argue that there are no inconsistencies. The complete body of evidence points in one direction: The drugs don't work. While there may be a minority of folks who benefit from the medications, the majority (at least 60 to 70%, according to the empirical findings) of folks who take neuroleptics would be better off without the "medication." And though the research into alternative approaches receives almost no financial support (compared with the torrential flow of money to pro-drug researchers), the good empirical evidence that we have so far shows that non-drug approaches work as well as or better than "treatment" with neuroleptic toxins.

New evidence keeps emerging that the medical profession has sold its soul in exchange for what can only be described as bribes from the manufacturers of drugs . . . It is long past time for leading medical institutions and professional societies to adopt stronger ground rules to control the noxious influence of industry money on what doctors prescribe for their patients. (New York Times editorial: “Seducing the Medical Profession,” February 2, 2006)


In this case, it is those who profit from beliefs that fly in the face of the evidence who are ignoring the large body of data that points to this "contrarian" conclusion. And they profit big time. Indeed, we should be skeptical of beliefs created and spread by those who benefit enormously from such beliefs. Especially when the amount of "benefit" involved is simply astounding:

The most startling fact about 2002 is that the combined profits for the ten drug companies in the Fortune 500 ($35.9 billion) were more than the profits for all the other 490 businesses put together ($33.7 billion) . . . When I say this is a profitable industry, I mean really profitable. It is difficult to conceive of how awash in money Big Pharma is. (Marcia Angell, former Editor-in-Chief of the world's most prestigious medical journal, The New England Journal of Medicine.)

[Medicine is afflicted with a] disease: an over-powerful, under-regulated drug industry and a research establishment and publishing industry in its thrall . . . Between the interests of the public and the commercial interests of drug companies stand two potential safeguards—journal peer review and drug regulation . . . [it is] clear that peer review in its current form is unequal to the task . . . Drug regulators too seem unequal to their task. Critics focus on their close relationship with industry; their lack of transparency; their lack of systematic post marketing surveillance; and an emphasis on efficacy over patient safety, which favours industry. . . . I suggest a radical solution. As with most good ideas, it is not mine alone. Marcia Angell (personal communication) and [others] have also had it, but here is my version. Drug companies should not be allowed to evaluate their own products. (Fiona Godlee, M.D., Editor, British Medical Journal)



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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby Nordic » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:44 pm

But patients often stopped taking those drugs, like Thorazine and Haldol, because they could cause a range of involuntary body movements, tics and restlessness.


Abilify can cause involuntary body movements and tics, and they do NOT necessarily go away after you quit taking the drug.

Seen it with me own eyes, someone I know who took Abilify. Nasty stuff. Yet there are ads all over the TV for this crap, making it look like if you're feeling a little cloudy, hell, just take this stuff.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:57 pm

Nordic wrote:
But patients often stopped taking those drugs, like Thorazine and Haldol, because they could cause a range of involuntary body movements, tics and restlessness.


Abilify can cause involuntary body movements and tics, and they do NOT necessarily go away after you quit taking the drug.

Seen it with me own eyes, someone I know who took Abilify. Nasty stuff. Yet there are ads all over the TV for this crap, making it look like if you're feeling a little cloudy, hell, just take this stuff.


Don't forget that if your regular antidepressant isn't working, you should take Abilify on top of it because it will "enhance its effectiveness" or some such garbage. I'm surprised they haven't been sued for that marketing campaign yet, but then again these things take time. This is the most recent strategy for getting people hooked - get them on as many drugs as possible until they are too completely fucked to remember how to function without them. Unfortunately, it is very effective.

Here is the chain of side effects:

ADD stimulants lead to hyperactivity, individual diagnosed with bipolar disorder due to "mania". Mood stabilizers prescribed for bipolar eventually lead to disconnection from reality, and/or hallucinations, antipsychotics prescribed. Antipsychotics lead to further disconnection and hallucinations, more antipsychotics are substituted or added on top of existing drugs. Very small chance of getting off the drugs at this point. This process can start with antidepressants just as easily. Oftentimes the effects of stopping ADD stimulants include depression and lack of energy (stimulant withdrawal, whodathunkit) and result in depression diagnosis and antidepressant prescription.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby barracuda » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:02 pm

Ach! I had forgotten that the Nazis were basically well-intentioned. Thanks for reminding me.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby justdrew » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:20 pm

FYI - Maybe of interest... latest developments on schizophrenia pharma treatment...

Recent studies including ketamine challenges, postmortem analysis and genetic studies implicate N-methyl-D-aspartic acid (NMDA) receptor hypofunction as a core feature of schizophrenia. Mice with mutations of genes affecting NMDA receptor function exhibit brain pathology similar to schizophrenia. Pharmacologic augmentation of NMDA receptors significantly reduces symptoms unaffected by current treatments, pointing to new therapeutic avenues.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:54 pm

barracuda wrote:Ach! I had forgotten that the Nazis were basically well-intentioned. Thanks for reminding me.


You're reaching now. "Well" intentioned and "Honestly" intentioned are absolutely not that same at all. Determining whether a person is well intentioned requires a value judgment, while determining whether a person is honestly intentioned only requires one to determine if their are being deceitful. And the Nazis were not the most subtle characters. In their own twisted logic they were well intentioned, and ultimately made no secret of their aim to purify the world of the inferior races.

Of course, I am not trying to say they were well intentioned. I know that many psychiatrists truly want to help people and believe they are helping people by giving them these drugs. That is unfortunately the main problem with psychiatry.

When people offer such inane arguments in favor of this barbaric and obsolete practice, it is almost always because they feel that someone they care about is being helped, or that they are themselves a recipient of psychiatric treatment of some kind. If this is the case then I am truly sorry.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:57 pm

Oh yeah, and this is bigger than people's individual choices now.

AP: Drugs found in drinking water

By Jeff Donn, Martha Mendoza and Justin Pritchard, Associated Press
A vast array of pharmaceuticals — including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones — have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.

WATER DEPARTMENTS: Reports rarely released to public
BOTTLED WATER: Is it any safer?
NEW YORK CITY: Sedative traces found in water
LOS ANGELES: Water tops national taste test
RELATED: Problems in fish blamed on contamination

But the presence of so many prescription drugs — and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen — in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.

In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas — from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville

Water providers rarely disclose results of pharmaceutical screenings, unless pressed, the AP found. For example, the head of a group representing major California suppliers said the public "doesn't know how to interpret the information" and might be unduly alarmed.

How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.

And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies — which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public — have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.

"We recognize it is a growing concern and we're taking it very seriously," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, assistant administrator for water at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

Members of the AP National Investigative Team reviewed hundreds of scientific reports, analyzed federal drinking water databases, visited environmental study sites and treatment plants and interviewed more than 230 officials, academics and scientists. They also surveyed the nation's 50 largest cities and a dozen other major water providers, as well as smaller community water providers in all 50 states.

Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:

• Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.

• Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.

• Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.

• A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

• The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.

• Three medications, including an antibiotic, were found in drinking water supplied to Tucson.

The situation is undoubtedly worse than suggested by the positive test results in the major population centers documented by the AP.

The federal government doesn't require any testing and hasn't set safety limits for drugs in water. Of the 62 major water providers contacted, the drinking water for only 28 was tested. Among the 34 that haven't: Houston, Chicago, Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Boston and New York City's Department of Environmental Protection, which delivers water to 9 million people.

Some providers screen only for one or two pharmaceuticals, leaving open the possibility that others are present.

The AP's investigation also indicates that watersheds, the natural sources of most of the nation's water supply, also are contaminated. Tests were conducted in the watersheds of 35 of the 62 major providers surveyed by the AP, and pharmaceuticals were detected in 28.

Yet officials in six of those 28 metropolitan areas said they did not go on to test their drinking water — Fairfax, Va.; Montgomery County in Maryland; Omaha; Oklahoma City; Santa Clara, Calif., and New York City.

The New York state health department and the USGS tested the source of the city's water, upstate. They found trace concentrations of heart medicine, infection fighters, estrogen, anti-convulsants, a mood stabilizer and a tranquilizer.

City water officials declined repeated requests for an interview. In a statement, they insisted that "New York City's drinking water continues to meet all federal and state regulations regarding drinking water quality in the watershed and the distribution system" — regulations that do not address trace pharmaceuticals.

In several cases, officials at municipal or regional water providers told the AP that pharmaceuticals had not been detected, but the AP obtained the results of tests conducted by independent researchers that showed otherwise. For example, water department officials in New Orleans said their water had not been tested for pharmaceuticals, but a Tulane University researcher and his students have published a study that found the pain reliever naproxen, the sex hormone estrone and the anti-cholesterol drug byproduct clofibric acid in treated drinking water.

Of the 28 major metropolitan areas where tests were performed on drinking water supplies, only Albuquerque; Austin, Texas; and Virginia Beach; said tests were negative. The drinking water in Dallas has been tested, but officials are awaiting results. Arlington, Texas, acknowledged that traces of a pharmaceutical were detected in its drinking water but cited post-9/11 security concerns in refusing to identify the drug.

The AP also contacted 52 small water providers — one in each state, and two each in Missouri and Texas — that serve communities with populations around 25,000. All but one said their drinking water had not been screened for pharmaceuticals; officials in Emporia, Kan., refused to answer AP's questions, also citing post-9/11 issues.

Rural consumers who draw water from their own wells aren't in the clear either, experts say.

The Stroud Water Research Center, in Avondale, Pa., has measured water samples from New York City's upstate watershed for caffeine, a common contaminant that scientists often look for as a possible signal for the presence of other pharmaceuticals. Though more caffeine was detected at suburban sites, researcher Anthony Aufdenkampe was struck by the relatively high levels even in less populated areas.

He suspects it escapes from failed septic tanks, maybe with other drugs. "Septic systems are essentially small treatment plants that are essentially unmanaged and therefore tend to fail," Aufdenkampe said.

Even users of bottled water and home filtration systems don't necessarily avoid exposure. Bottlers, some of which simply repackage tap water, do not typically treat or test for pharmaceuticals, according to the industry's main trade group. The same goes for the makers of home filtration systems.

Contamination is not confined to the United States. More than 100 different pharmaceuticals have been detected in lakes, rivers, reservoirs and streams throughout the world. Studies have detected pharmaceuticals in waters throughout Asia, Australia, Canada and Europe — even in Swiss lakes and the North Sea.

For example, in Canada, a study of 20 Ontario drinking water treatment plants by a national research institute found nine different drugs in water samples. Japanese health officials in December called for human health impact studies after detecting prescription drugs in drinking water at seven different sites.

In the United States, the problem isn't confined to surface waters. Pharmaceuticals also permeate aquifers deep underground, source of 40% of the nation's water supply. Federal scientists who drew water in 24 states from aquifers near contaminant sources such as landfills and animal feed lots found minuscule levels of hormones, antibiotics and other drugs.

Perhaps it's because Americans have been taking drugs — and flushing them unmetabolized or unused — in growing amounts. Over the past five years, the number of U.S. prescriptions rose 12% to a record 3.7 billion, while non-prescription drug purchases held steady around 3.3 billion, according to IMS Health and The Nielsen Co.

"People think that if they take a medication, their body absorbs it and it disappears, but of course that's not the case," said EPA scientist Christian Daughton, one of the first to draw attention to the issue of pharmaceuticals in water in the United States.

Some drugs, including widely used cholesterol fighters, tranquilizers and anti-epileptic medications, resist modern drinking water and wastewater treatment processes. Plus, the EPA says there are no sewage treatment systems specifically engineered to remove pharmaceuticals.

One technology, reverse osmosis, removes virtually all pharmaceutical contaminants but is very expensive for large-scale use and leaves several gallons of polluted water for every one that is made drinkable.

Another issue: There's evidence that adding chlorine, a common process in conventional drinking water treatment plants, makes some pharmaceuticals more toxic.

Human waste isn't the only source of contamination. Cattle, for example, are given ear implants that provide a slow release of trenbolone, an anabolic steroid used by some bodybuilders, which causes cattle to bulk up. But not all the trenbolone circulating in a steer is metabolized. A German study showed 10% of the steroid passed right through the animals.

Water sampled downstream of a Nebraska feedlot had steroid levels four times as high as the water taken upstream. Male fathead minnows living in that downstream area had low testosterone levels and small heads.

Other veterinary drugs also play a role. Pets are now treated for arthritis, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, allergies, dementia, and even obesity — sometimes with the same drugs as humans. The inflation-adjusted value of veterinary drugs rose by 8%, to $5.2 billion, over the past five years, according to an analysis of data from the Animal Health Institute.

Ask the pharmaceutical industry whether the contamination of water supplies is a problem, and officials will tell you no. "Based on what we now know, I would say we find there's little or no risk from pharmaceuticals in the environment to human health," said microbiologist Thomas White, a consultant for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America.

But at a conference last summer, Mary Buzby — director of environmental technology for drug maker Merck & Co. Inc. — said: "There's no doubt about it, pharmaceuticals are being detected in the environment and there is genuine concern that these compounds, in the small concentrations that they're at, could be causing impacts to human health or to aquatic organisms."

Recent laboratory research has found that small amounts of medication have affected human embryonic kidney cells, human blood cells and human breast cancer cells. The cancer cells proliferated too quickly; the kidney cells grew too slowly; and the blood cells showed biological activity associated with inflammation.

Also, pharmaceuticals in waterways are damaging wildlife across the nation and around the globe, research shows. Notably, male fish are being feminized, creating egg yolk proteins, a process usually restricted to females. Pharmaceuticals also are affecting sentinel species at the foundation of the pyramid of life — such as earth worms in the wild and zooplankton in the laboratory, studies show.

Some scientists stress that the research is extremely limited, and there are too many unknowns. They say, though, that the documented health problems in wildlife are disconcerting.

"It brings a question to people's minds that if the fish were affected ... might there be a potential problem for humans?" EPA research biologist Vickie Wilson told the AP. "It could be that the fish are just exquisitely sensitive because of their physiology or something. We haven't gotten far enough along."

With limited research funds, said Shane Snyder, research and development project manager at the Southern Nevada Water Authority, a greater emphasis should be put on studying the effects of drugs in water.

"I think it's a shame that so much money is going into monitoring to figure out if these things are out there, and so little is being spent on human health," said Snyder. "They need to just accept that these things are everywhere — every chemical and pharmaceutical could be there. It's time for the EPA to step up to the plate and make a statement about the need to study effects, both human and environmental."

To the degree that the EPA is focused on the issue, it appears to be looking at detection. Grumbles acknowledged that just late last year the agency developed three new methods to "detect and quantify pharmaceuticals" in wastewater. "We realize that we have a limited amount of data on the concentrations," he said. "We're going to be able to learn a lot more."

While Grumbles said the EPA had analyzed 287 pharmaceuticals for possible inclusion on a draft list of candidates for regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, he said only one, nitroglycerin, was on the list. Nitroglycerin can be used as a drug for heart problems, but the key reason it's being considered is its widespread use in making explosives.

So much is unknown. Many independent scientists are skeptical that trace concentrations will ultimately prove to be harmful to humans. Confidence about human safety is based largely on studies that poison lab animals with much higher amounts.

There's growing concern in the scientific community, meanwhile, that certain drugs — or combinations of drugs — may harm humans over decades because water, unlike most specific foods, is consumed in sizable amounts every day.

Our bodies may shrug off a relatively big one-time dose, yet suffer from a smaller amount delivered continuously over a half century, perhaps subtly stirring allergies or nerve damage. Pregnant women, the elderly and the very ill might be more sensitive.

Many concerns about chronic low-level exposure focus on certain drug classes: chemotherapy that can act as a powerful poison; hormones that can hamper reproduction or development; medicines for depression and epilepsy that can damage the brain or change behavior; antibiotics that can allow human germs to mutate into more dangerous forms; pain relievers and blood-pressure diuretics.

For several decades, federal environmental officials and non-profit watchdog environmental groups have focused on regulated contaminants — pesticides, lead, PCBs — which are present in higher concentrations and clearly pose a health risk.

However, some experts say medications may pose a unique danger because, unlike most pollutants, they were crafted to act on the human body.

"These are chemicals that are designed to have very specific effects at very low concentrations. That's what pharmaceuticals do. So when they get out to the environment, it should not be a shock to people that they have effects," says zoologist John Sumpter at Brunel University in London, who has studied trace hormones, heart medicine and other drugs.

And while drugs are tested to be safe for humans, the timeframe is usually over a matter of months, not a lifetime. Pharmaceuticals also can produce side effects and interact with other drugs at normal medical doses. That's why — aside from therapeutic doses of fluoride injected into potable water supplies — pharmaceuticals are prescribed to people who need them, not delivered to everyone in their drinking water.

"We know we are being exposed to other people's drugs through our drinking water, and that can't be good," says Dr. David Carpenter, who directs the Institute for Health and the Environment of the State University of New York at Albany.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby barracuda » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:58 pm

I'm reaching? I believe you're the one who Godwined the thread, and treated us to two hours of Scientology. But okay.
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Re: Half of US teens 'meet criteria for mental disorder'

Postby undead » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:17 pm

Very well, if you'd like to ignore that one source of information on psychiatry, there are plenty of other eminently credible sources to show what a heinous public menace it is. You are the one who is trying to derail the thread by associating criticism of psychiatry with Scientology. The film has no mention of any of the cult's mythology, practices, or even any mention of the church at all, except for the very end in a disclaimer. So you are being dishonest and disingenuous to call it "2 hours of Scientology".

I will continue posting relevant articles on the subject of why half of the adolescent population is considered insane and in need of medication by the medical establishment.
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