Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby lupercal » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:27 pm

nathan28 wrote:
stefano wrote:K R Bolton

Totally irrelevant here. . . .

Nathan for once I agree with you. Anyway I notice Clinton is now on board the regime change train and calling for "reform" in Egypt, as in letting banksters and multinationals drive the place into bankruptcy so the IMF can force austerity measures to precipitate a real revolution in case the fake one fails. Sorry I defended her for a millisecond and it looks that's how long her courage lasted:

Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, has said that widespread anti-government protests over poverty and government repression in Egypt represent an opportunity for the 30-year administration of president Hosni Mubarak to implement "political, economic and social reforms to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people".

In unusually blunt remarks regarding the longtime US ally, delivered on Wednesday, Clinton also said that the Mubarak government should not prevent peaceful protests or block social networking sites such as Twitter or Facebook, which have helped Egyptians plan and spread news about the unrest.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 13878.html

Subtle she's not. Meanwhile the color-by-numbers "revolution" continues with predictably breathless reports of Facebook and Twitter inspired crowds egged on by agents provocateurs identified as state police. CNN, the BBC, NYT and WSJ never mention that though. Six dead already, including four civilians, and reform is on the march.

p.s. any guesses as to what this one gets called? I'm going with "lotus revolution" and you heard it hear first. :|
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:43 pm

I'm on the fence about this one still. There are a couple different positions the PTB could take in this:

1) They really are planned events that have been set up by the PTB to make the people feel like they are doing something

2) They are not planned events, but the PTB hope to slide in and capitalize on the empty leadership roles, duping the people into believing it was a people led revolution

3) They are not planned events and the PTB don't want this phenom to spread

Right now I honestly see #2 as the most logical explanation for everything.
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby lupercal » Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:58 pm

Wakeup I was just about to add that Hilly specifically mentions "economic" reform but its clear enough already. Your post is a pretty objective assessment of what's going on so thanks for that. I can't say with metaphysical certainty it's #1 but the reason I'm strongly inclined to think so is the uncanny similarity of the Tunisia shake-up to the 1953 Iran job, which had people convinced Mossadegh was also an embezzling nepotist who'd lost the confidence of the country and was tottering on the brink of collapse etc. The spooks explain just how they managed it in the after-action report I posted in the OP. Now we know otherwise but at the time it probably wasn't so obvious, and Alice's reports tell me they're doing a good job of making it convincing this time, too. Possibly it's easier to see the wires from a distance because from here it looks awfully dubious.
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Postby WakeUpAndLive » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:58 am

I only skimmed through the other two pages so forgive me if I missed it, but I was discussing this with one of my close friends...we kept going back to one major point which I couldn't answer:

How does the us benefit from this?

There is always a goal if this is really a CIA led revolution, and so what is it in this instance?
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:09 am

lupercal wrote:
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Color Coded Revolution In Iran, from "Iran Bans Color Revolution Seeding Organizations," Sikh Archives, Wednesday, January 5th, 2011, http://www.sikharchives.com/?p=2891


Wow...I need to move to Iran, or meet some Persian women. Let me compose myself...

there. So what is the story with Tunisia? I don't hear much about killing gays, women having no rights, total suppression of freedom, etc like in *some* other Muslim nations(cough usually friends of the US cough)

Then again we've had mass unrest in Iceland, England, France, Greece, Thailand, etc over the last few years.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:33 am

lupercal wrote:Subtle she's not. Meanwhile the color-by-numbers "revolution" continues with predictably breathless reports of Facebook and Twitter inspired crowds egged on by agents provocateurs identified as state police. CNN, the BBC, NYT and WSJ never mention that though. Six dead already, including four civilians, and reform is on the march.

p.s. any guesses as to what this one gets called? I'm going with "lotus revolution" and you heard it hear first. :|


Have you been listening to Alice over the years Lup? Maybe not, but for longer than you've been registered she has been saying that Egypt has been edging closer and closer to this sort of uprising. Describing the contempt for the Mubarak regime. Why? Cos people are pissed off. If you think Egyptians are incapable of organising this on their own, well just come out and say it.
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby stefano » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:55 am

nathan28 wrote:Totally irrelevant here, but Bolton was unless I've got him confused with someone else involved with the NZ Satanist right for a length of time (though my impression was that NZ satanism as a political force fell apart in a matter of years over personality conflicts).
Yeah, same guy. He also tries to promote the theory that whites are actually the original settlers of Polynesia (not sure of details). I don't think it's that irrelevant: aangirfan has been cited as an authority in this thread and he evidently can't tell shit from porridge.

8bitagent wrote:So what is the story with Tunisia? I don't hear much about killing gays, women having no rights, total suppression of freedom, etc like in *some* other Muslim nations
Why don't you read this thread?
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby lupercal » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:44 am

stefano wrote:aangirfan has been cited as an authority in this thread

Oh bullshit. The only dick claiming authority on this thread is you. It seems you're an expert on this clown Bolton who has nothing whatever to do with the discussion except in your lame attempts to firehose shit on it. I just busted you for lying about this crap and already you're back doing it again? You know what's that called? Well that's what it is.
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Postby lupercal » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:52 am

WakeUpAndLive wrote:I only skimmed through the other two pages so forgive me if I missed it, but I was discussing this with one of my close friends...we kept going back to one major point which I couldn't answer:

How does the us benefit from this?

There is always a goal if this is really a CIA led revolution, and so what is it in this instance?

That I don't claim to know. I can speculate but the exact motivation for these things is not always entirely clear until later if ever. I'm working on it though.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:26 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
lupercal wrote:Subtle she's not. Meanwhile the color-by-numbers "revolution" continues with predictably breathless reports of Facebook and Twitter inspired crowds egged on by agents provocateurs identified as state police. CNN, the BBC, NYT and WSJ never mention that though. Six dead already, including four civilians, and reform is on the march.

p.s. any guesses as to what this one gets called? I'm going with "lotus revolution" and you heard it hear first. :|


Have you been listening to Alice over the years Lup? Maybe not, but for longer than you've been registered she has been saying that Egypt has been edging closer and closer to this sort of uprising. Describing the contempt for the Mubarak regime. Why? Cos people are pissed off. If you think Egyptians are incapable of organising this on their own, well just come out and say it.


I myself would love to see organic, non "ptb/cia/nwo" originated revolutions in all places where women, gays and others are oppressed and where corrupt leaders rule with an iron fist. I say we start with Saudi Arabia. If the Qutbist students of the 70's could turn Westernized places into Islamic fundamentalist hellholes, surely liberal young college kids and every day people can lead popular revolts today.

To me some things don't make sense. Like, why the CIA would work hard to covertly fight China in decades past...only to have America be China's little bitch in the modern world.
America invades Iraq and Afghanistan, and China gets all the oil and minerals. I used to have this typical leftist view that America was invading all these countries for American imperialist causes...now I see how its more like the US invade for Saudi, Israeli and possibly even Chinese(as well as UAE) interests.
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Postby stefano » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:32 am

lupercal wrote:I just busted you for lying about this crap and already you're back doing it again?
I didn't lie or misquote you. nathan asked about Bolton, and I think he's one of the more interesting representatives of the "Soros and Sunstein are behind everything" school of thought.
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:03 am

Lupercal, I don't have the time or energy to go over myriad reasons why you are totally wrong about what's happening in Egypt. I'll try to sum it up in point form:

1) Egypt's economy under the current regime is run entirely according to the dictates of the IMF and the World Bank. There is literally no light between these global predators and their Egyptian cat's paws. The current Minister of Finance is Youssef Boutros Ghali, a deeply corrupt and hated sociopath who has been rewarded for all his great work destroying Egypt's economic infrastructure with an appointment to the board of the IMF (in addition to his remaining Egypt's Finance Minister, needless to say). The current Minister of Investment Mahmoud Mohieldin has been similarly rewarded for his faithful service to the foreign interests with a job as Managing Director of the World Bank Group. This regime, in other words, is a co-conspirator in the gutting of the Egyptian economy, causing massive suffering to the Egyptian people, on behalf of Western (and zionist) "interests".

2) The Egyptian regime has been selling Egypt's strategic gas at below-market prices to Israel, even as Egyptians suffer from acute shortages; it has been implicated in selling cement to Israel, also at below-market prices, even as the cost of cement was skyrocketing here in Egypt; the same with steel.

3) The Egyptian regime has been collaborating with Israel in the latter's criminal and barbaric siege against Gaza and even, shockingly, injected poisonous gas into tunnels that serve as a lifeline for people in Gaza, killing several people.

4) The Egyptian regime has conducted through its media a systematic campaign of defamation and incitement against Israel's enemies, especially targeting Hamas and Hizbullah with fabrications and lies, and has harassed not only Palestinians but Egyptians who express their solidarity with the Palestinian struggle to be free.

5) The Egyptian regime has collaborated with the US and Israel in building a steel underground barrier between Gaza and Egypt to prevent the transfer of goods between the two sides and has made it very difficult or almost impossible for Palestinians to travel out of Gaza even to seek desperately needed medical treatment.

6) Under this regime, Egyptian prime public lands have been sold to foreign developers of luxury residential compounds and tourist resorts for obscenely low prices; factories have been dismantled and their workers kicked out; agricultural lands have been deprived of water and left to desertification while vast swathes of desert have been transformed into golf courses. Public schools have been scandalously starved of funds, contributing to the proliferation of for-profit foreign-run private schools for the rich and no real access to education for the poor.

7) Under this regime, Egypt has become almost totally dependent on foreign imports for its food; we import 90% of everything we need. Meanwhile, Egypt's prisons are full of farmers who have been forced to take loans from banks at high interest rates to buy imported fertilizers and seeds, but when the seeds failed or the government deprived their land of water, they couldn't pay back the loans and were arrested.

8 ) The regime's policies have completely eradicated the cultivation of the world-famous Egyptian cotton, which Egyptian farmers can no longer afford to grow. We now import inferior cotton from China and Israel, instead.

9) Israeli agricultural "cooperation" has resulted in Egypt's entire stock of domestically-produced seeds having been eradicated and replaced with Israeli GM seeds and chemical fertilizers and pesticides, upon which Egyptian farming now is based.

10) The proliferation of heavy industrial polluters (many of them foreign-owned or partnerships between high-ranking members of the regime and foreign corporations), the import of cancer-causing chemical fertilizers and pesticides, the spiraling price of healthy food, and the systematic neglect of public works to serve Egypt's 80% or so who live just above, at, or far below the poverty line has caused a massive and rapid decline in public health during the 30 years that this regime has been in power.

This is just a small sample of what has led to Egyptians' desperation to get rid of this regime. To put it in simple terms: we hate them, and experience has taught us that it's either them or us. (The feeling is mutual).

Meanwhile, Israel and its Western allies very much need this regime, or one just like it, because any Egyptian government that is at all representative of, or accountable to, the Egyptian people will most certainly NOT serve these predators' interests. At all. Au contraire, mon cher.

Re: Hillary Clinton's comment about Egypt, what I heard was desperation and simmering anger that the Egyptian regime was ruining everything, that it had gone too far and that something had to be done to push the genie back in the bottle before the whole thing blows. What Clinton was calling for is palliatives, placebos, just enough faux-democracy to keep the rabble quiet and release some of the pressure. I was especially interested to hear her call for a greater role for "civil society" in view of the fact that hinky organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy and others have been quite active here in recent years, spending lots of money but for some reason not really succeeding in connecting with ordinary Egyptians, or gaining their trust.

The thing that Ms. Clinton and her zionist friends need to realize is that it's too late: Egyptians have not only their own considerable and rather bitter experience to draw on, but all the lessons of the now-discredited "color revolutions" and bullshit controlled "opposition" politicians, activists and journalists, "Al Hurra" and other propaganda outlets, etc., all of which have been thoroughly exposed, the whole bag of tricks.

Similarly, the attempts to divide Egyptians along sectarian lines, to fan the flames of religious fanaticism via mysteriously-funded satellite tv stations beaming their poisonous messages of hate, have failed. As have the regime's and its Western allies' efforts to portray Arab people as driven by irrational, reactionary "Islamo-fascists". To quote Monty Python, "We fart in their general direction" and get on with the business of getting ourselves free.

The genie is already way out of the bottle, and it has discovered that what was in the bottle was only a part of itself: the Tunisian genie, the Palestinian genie, the Sudanese genie, the Lebanese genie, the Egyptian genie etc., etc., have re-membered that they once were one and are once again ONE.

It doesn't matter, lupercal, whether you know it or not. We know what's happening, and our enemies know what's happening. Like any cornered, desperate animal, they will lash out viciously, they will use every cunning trick they have, but in the end they will lose.

I will now bow out of this discussion and leave it to the rest of you all to argue back and forth about what's real and what's not.
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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby vanlose kid » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:25 am

^ ^ this.

despite the fact that we vehemently disagree re who ultimately wields the power, i.e. whether it's Herod or Caesar, i have to say thank you for the above.
for real.

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Postby Allegro » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:50 pm

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Alice, I mean this sincerely: Thank You for putting in simple point form very complicated matters. If memory serves well, you've twice mentioned The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by author, Ilan Pappe. I hope to purchase that book, today.

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Re: Tunisia's color-coded regime change: Bogus, fake, or..??

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:53 pm

Thanks for that rundown on Egypt, Alice, very informative (and shocking). You've been knocking it out of the park on the events in Egypt and Tunisia. Thank you.
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