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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby HamdenRice » Thu May 05, 2011 7:10 am

justdrew wrote:some speculative fiction: What if they've recovered absolute evidence that 911 was an inside job, corroborated with other evidence and that bush knew and approved. BHO then makes the charges public at "ground zero" tomorrow. bush, already tried an convicted today by a special "national security jury" - is hauled out after having been arrested in the wee hours tomorrow, since he won't come quietly, and BHO executes GWB personally live on TV.

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Even if BHO has inside information about what happened and decides it is in his interest to divulge it, I doubt he will do it directly. When BHO was in college, a book about Eisenhower's presidency, "The Hidden Hand President" was very influential. It argued that Eisenhower appeared to the public to be a very old, almost senile, retired general president who mostly played golf. In fact, it was an act so that he could carry out far reaching policies indirectly by appearing to delegate to the cabinet and congress, because of the cost-benefit of being disassociated with risk of failure. It seems to me that BHO is partially using that playbook, especially in light of what happened to Clinton.

If the BHO administration knows the "real story," it would be of no benefit to tell the public directly what happened, even if there were political benefits to be gained by the public knowing what happened. If they want us to know, they will put that information in some other person's mouth or under some other institution's imprint, like NY Times expose or a congressional investigative committee.

That said, just because someone is elected president doesn't mean they get all the secrets of the castle. There was a terrific piece several years ago in iirc Slate about how each president since JFK confidentially speculated about who killed Kennedy.
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby HamdenRice » Thu May 05, 2011 7:11 am

bks wrote:
With that epistemology, a long time ago, I concluded that the best explanation for at least part of the 9/11 story, was that foreign military/intelligence elements were involved (rogue or not), which was the biggest hole in the 9/11 Commission Report, which literally edited Pakistan and Saudi Arabia out of the picture. (Whether those foreign intelligence factors implicated US or western forces was a different and more complicated issue.) For this, I was banned from a forum by someone who is posting in this very forum these days, with a dismissive post saying something like, that HamdenRice is always going on and on about bullshit about foreign terrorists and spies in foreign lands plotting terror plots -- as though to accept that there were indeed foreign terrorists (whether manipulated or not) was beyond the scope of acceptable opinion.


Nice to hear from you again, Hamden. We know each other from the better days of the DU forum. If you don't mind, would you let us know the name of the person who banned you from DU, the one that you stated posts here these days? Much appreciated. Cheers.


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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 05, 2011 7:41 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
HamdenRice wrote:Ever since I first started looking into the holes in the official story and writing about it, back in the old days on the DU 9/11 Forum, I was always as interested in how we know what we know as in what we know. I may be interested in what others might call "conspiracy theories" but I'm also interested in trying to figure out the method to determine what is real --


not to get too metaphysical here, but "real/true" = "What one wants to believe"

I have no doubt that there is truth and that there are facts. But how we know what we know largely depends on what we want to believe. In spite of the existence of facts, there is no truth outside of one's desire to believe.

In your post, you express this clearly. You are angry that most people want to believe version "X" of the story while you want to believe version "Y." How can we know which is correct? In this age of information & special effects, spycraft and propaganda, deep politics and memory holes I argue that unless you were there, you'll never know.

The secret to 'truth,' I think, is to convince enough people to see it your way.



Exactly. This post is mostly going to be to to the author. Now I know where the author of this post is coming from. I was always a "Paul Thompson" truther in the vein of Nafeez Ahmed, Sander Hicks, and Hopsicker. Cooperative Research/Historycommons was my go to bible. I know all about the Maktab al Khadamat and Ali Mohamed as I do "melting points" and "pentagon anomalies".
Yes, I've questioned if actual "conventional trolled demolition explosives" brought down the towers, and I've openly laughed at the idea that the hijackers are alive. I have laughed at the notion anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. And I've always maintained that its not a question if "is al Qaeda fake or framed", but "who does al Qaeda serve". I feel confident in my years of intimate careful research into financial transactions, hijacker history, al Qaeda, and obscure little details to go one on one with any analyst, historian, etc.

However, fuck it. Who knows what's real anymore. Maybe "exotic weapons" took out the towers. Maybe bin Laden never existed and is just the old man of the mountain. Maybe there were no towers, its all in our mind.

I know the author of this thread basically made a "Cant you see, Pakistan is behind it" thread, like I used to. Its like come on, isnt it obvious? ITS ALWAYS been made to point to Pakistan.
I finally realized this. Of course the ISI has been a glove behind al Qaeda, but whom does the ISI belong to? Even the Saudis, who were balls deep in 9/11, are running scared to Pakistan, China and Russia.
The battlelines are drawn

We're not simply talking about 3000 dead Americans and the "truth". Before we even come close to finding the "truth"(and lets face it, we already have our own confirmation bias truths...be it people who think Cheney did 9/11 or bin Laden or Rockefeller or space aliens) this whole sept 11th oddyssey of occam's boxcutter and church n' vessey hall of mirrors will be but a faded memory when the BIG hammer of
horror hits. Who the fuck will care about 9/11 truth when whole cities are obliterated in a mushroom cloud? I've realized the sheer evil and scope of this enterprise isn't going to stop with planes going into buildings or MOAB bombs blowing apart innocent villagers.

Like Sauron in Lord of the Rings, this beast...whatever it is(US government, bankers, who the hell knows) wants pure full spectrum horror beyond imagination.

So I can sit here and draw mind map Lombardi diagrams of Ptech connecting to Enron and Saudi corporations to bin Laden...but fuck it. Its all a parlour game, conspiratainment jerkoff sessions.
Ive met 9/11 families and survivors, Ive placed my hands on twisted husks of core columns displayed in ghoulish monuments from the world trade center wreckage. Those people will never have justice.
Forget 3000. Forget the hundreds of thousands of dead Muslim civilians. We're gonna need John Connor to save us from the insanity thats on its way to us by these creatures, if the sun doesnt eventually kill us or the environment


HamdenRice wrote:
justdrew wrote:some speculative fiction: What if they've recovered absolute evidence that 911 was an inside job, corroborated with other evidence and that bush knew and approved. BHO then makes the charges public at "ground zero" tomorrow. bush, already tried an convicted today by a special "national security jury" - is hauled out after having been arrested in the wee hours tomorrow, since he won't come quietly, and BHO executes GWB personally live on TV.

119 :eeyaa



Even if BHO has inside information about what happened and decides it is in his interest to divulge it, I doubt he will do it directly. When BHO was in college, a book about Eisenhower's presidency, "The Hidden Hand President" was very influential. It argued that Eisenhower appeared to the public to be a very old, almost senile, retired general president who mostly played golf. In fact, it was an act so that he could carry out far reaching policies indirectly by appearing to delegate to the cabinet and congress, because of the cost-benefit of being disassociated with risk of failure. It seems to me that BHO is partially using that playbook, especially in light of what happened to Clinton.

If the BHO administration knows the "real story," it would be of no benefit to tell the public directly what happened, even if there were political benefits to be gained by the public knowing what happened. If they want us to know, they will put that information in some other person's mouth or under some other institution's imprint, like NY Times expose or a congressional investigative committee.

That said, just because someone is elected president doesn't mean they get all the secrets of the castle. There was a terrific piece several years ago in iirc Slate about how each president since JFK confidentially speculated about who killed Kennedy.


Ugh, not the Clinton worship. 9/11 wouldnt have happened without the Clintons, and I'd almost say theres more evidence of more Clinton complicity in 9/11 than the neocons.
I mean Sandy Berger stuffing top secret 9/11 documents down his pants, and his standing down of killing bin Laden on 10 different times...the Clinton obstruction of the FBI from going after bin Laden and al Qaeda.

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Occult Means Hidden wrote:Inevitably the India and Pakistani tensions will come to boil and the U.S. will always overtly chose India foremost.


I see no evidence such conflict is inevitable.


it would take to make that region explode. I mean Mumbai almost brought about a conflict, and that was just a few hundred dead...imagine if another "ISI" terror attack took out much more in India
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby 8bitagent » Thu May 05, 2011 7:54 am

HamdenRice wrote:

Looks like you won't have to wait very long for the new season opener, according to the WaPo, unlike when we had to wait months to find out who killed JR:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/0 ... fghanistan


Well then Obama is a fool if he thinks war is going to wrap up.

We'll see how war weary Hopey is when an american city is obliterated by his puppetmasters...itll be Summer Hollywood Apocalyptic Movie Black President Hero to save us all and "define a nation in this challenging but proud moment"

World wars are always done under democratic administrations. There will never be peace.

Occult Means Hidden wrote:The whole Pakistan angle is certainly a validation of years of alternative history research. But like any other facet of this scrawling monster, it becomes yet another tool when exposed. We are one enemy short these days. The talk of Pakistan in Congress sounds like the rising of a new one. Inevitably the India and Pakistani tensions will come to boil and the U.S. will always overtly chose India foremost. China will always choose Pakistan foremost. I feel like the Pakistani revelation was a necessary and unfortunate return to an emerging bi-polar worldly paradigm.


Oh absolutely.

2001-2009 truthers: Pakistani ISI has been balls deep involved in al Qaeda, 9/11, terror networks

media, government, anti truthers: pfffft. Crazy! Pakistan is our friend

2011 media, government, etc: Pakistan! They double crossed us! Theyre behind bin Laden! They fund al Qaeda and Taliban! Omg, we've been had...I cant believe we gave them so much money

As ive told people in recent years, I feared this was the game they would play. Deny Pakistani ISI is in bed with the terrorists, then all the sudden say "hey yeah, Pakistan! Theyre our enemy!"

I mean the Mumbai massacre was designed by the elites to point to Pakistan, to create a further alliance between the US, India and Israel

WW3 will be the US, UK, EU(or whats left), Canada, Australia, Israel, and India vs Pakistan, China and reluctant nations but that have no other choice. Maybe Russia. Or it could be a free for all. But I feel it in every fiber of my being a major world war is coming within the next five years if not sooner. The Russia vs Georgia thing, the NK sinking of the SK ship, etc is all just a test.

The entire Muslim world is under chaos and revolution...when has that happened? It's just crazy, the American public is in a hypno-daze as gas is nearing $5 with the economy about to collapse.
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby justdrew » Thu May 05, 2011 3:02 pm

HamdenRice wrote:
justdrew wrote:some speculative fiction: What if they've recovered absolute evidence that 911 was an inside job, corroborated with other evidence and that bush knew and approved. BHO then makes the charges public at "ground zero" tomorrow. bush, already tried an convicted today by a special "national security jury" - is hauled out after having been arrested in the wee hours tomorrow, since he won't come quietly, and BHO executes GWB personally live on TV.

119 :eeyaa


Even if BHO has inside information about what happened and decides it is in his interest to divulge it, I doubt he will do it directly. When BHO was in college, a book about Eisenhower's presidency, "The Hidden Hand President" was very influential. It argued that Eisenhower appeared to the public to be a very old, almost senile, retired general president who mostly played golf. In fact, it was an act so that he could carry out far reaching policies indirectly by appearing to delegate to the cabinet and congress, because of the cost-benefit of being disassociated with risk of failure. It seems to me that BHO is partially using that playbook, especially in light of what happened to Clinton.

If the BHO administration knows the "real story," it would be of no benefit to tell the public directly what happened, even if there were political benefits to be gained by the public knowing what happened. If they want us to know, they will put that information in some other person's mouth or under some other institution's imprint, like NY Times expose or a congressional investigative committee.

That said, just because someone is elected president doesn't mean they get all the secrets of the castle. There was a terrific piece several years ago in iirc Slate about how each president since JFK confidentially speculated about who killed Kennedy.


yeah, that's probably what they'd do.

well, questionable source, but FYI...
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack
Paul Joseph Watson | Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik below.
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Thu May 05, 2011 3:24 pm



Happen to be listening to this podcast right now.
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Postby ninakat » Fri May 06, 2011 1:35 am

^^^ here he is on youtube (interesting, plausible stuff, despite my aversion to Alex Jones -- but I haven't listened to all of it yet... on edit: unfortunately, the more I listen, the more I smell agenda -- why should I be surprised? ha!)





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Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 06, 2011 2:14 am

I can't find much info on this steve guy...is he really all alex is claiming?

I was more impressed when Lt Col Anthony Schaefer came on
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Postby Nordic » Fri May 06, 2011 3:11 am

You know what's weird to me? The Anthrax attacks. Back when they happened, they scared the crap out of everybody. Nobody wanted to get their mail. Nobody knew who was next. It was, in a way, worse than 9/11, because it was so insidious, and something that could have hit any of us, any day, unlike, say, 9/11 where you had to actually be flying on a plane, right?

Yet it has come out, since, that those attacks weren't conducted by Scary Swarthy Foreign Muslims but by good old Americans. Even if you believe the ridiculous Ivins story, it's STILL an "inside job", domestic terror, domestic enemies.

Yet there seems to be this massive cognitive dissonance -- not even that, but cognitive DEAFNESS -- about the whole situation.

It's almost like everybody has been hypnotized into forgetting completely about the anthrax attacks.

To me this is one of the most bizarre, disturbing, and ultimately ridiculous things about the whole 9/11slashTerrorism thing.

It's like you found out your next door neighbor murdered your Mom and you just sorta shrug and go about your business.

Why is that? I think it's a real key to how 9/11 was one HUGE mind-fuck. And continues to be a mind-fuck!

Because, honest to god, I was surprised at this reaction to Osama bin Laden supposedly having been killed. I mean, it was instantaneous, it was massive, it was everywhere. Suddenly millions of Americans who otherwise probably didn't really give a shit any more, or thought much about it, were hit with a few words, and without even doubting these words, were suddenly dancing and screaming in the streets, and almost all of them believed it 100%.

It's like we're all the Beltway Sniper, and Charles Moose came out and said "duck in a noose" and everybody went nuts cheering and celebrating.

Something REALLY REALLY weird happened that day above and beyond the obvious attacks, and it would be really nice if somebody could get to the bottom of it.
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Postby lupercal » Fri May 06, 2011 3:36 am

HamdenRice wrote: Check your PM. I have no interest in calling someone out with whom I have no gripes.


Then why did you?

HamdenRice wrote: For this, I was banned from a forum by someone who is posting in this very forum these days. . . .

I don't give a flying fig about you or your dopey LIHOP spookery but this strikes me as a DU-worthy slime. And to be honest, if you're talking about PI which I'm assuming you are, I don't even think you were banned, but if you were, it was one of Tinoire's better moments.

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Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 06, 2011 4:47 am

Nordic wrote:You know what's weird to me? The Anthrax attacks. Back when they happened, they scared the crap out of everybody. Nobody wanted to get their mail. Nobody knew who was next. It was, in a way, worse than 9/11, because it was so insidious, and something that could have hit any of us, any day, unlike, say, 9/11 where you had to actually be flying on a plane, right?

Yet it has come out, since, that those attacks weren't conducted by Scary Swarthy Foreign Muslims but by good old Americans. Even if you believe the ridiculous Ivins story, it's STILL an "inside job", domestic terror, domestic enemies.

Yet there seems to be this massive cognitive dissonance -- not even that, but cognitive DEAFNESS -- about the whole situation.

It's almost like everybody has been hypnotized into forgetting completely about the anthrax attacks.

To me this is one of the most bizarre, disturbing, and ultimately ridiculous things about the whole 9/11slashTerrorism thing.

It's like you found out your next door neighbor murdered your Mom and you just sorta shrug and go about your business.

Why is that? I think it's a real key to how 9/11 was one HUGE mind-fuck. And continues to be a mind-fuck!

Because, honest to god, I was surprised at this reaction to Osama bin Laden supposedly having been killed. I mean, it was instantaneous, it was massive, it was everywhere. Suddenly millions of Americans who otherwise probably didn't really give a shit any more, or thought much about it, were hit with a few words, and without even doubting these words, were suddenly dancing and screaming in the streets, and almost all of them believed it 100%.

It's like we're all the Beltway Sniper, and Charles Moose came out and said "duck in a noose" and everybody went nuts cheering and celebrating.

Something REALLY REALLY weird happened that day above and beyond the obvious attacks, and it would be really nice if somebody could get to the bottom of it.


You nailed it. I really think it's spells. Maybe not magick, but high level psychology/hypnotism on a mass level. The Nazis talked about the bigger the lie.

We've talked about this, but I mean why is it the "they lied about WMDs" was repeated over and over and over by people but not these other bizarre things.
The anthrax, man. People say "shut up, the government would never have involvement in killing its own people. Conspiracy theorist need meds". And I say "um, anthrax? Everyone forget that?
Anthrax for a time was BIGGER than 9/11, because it was pure hysteria that it could hit anywhere. It was al Qaeda, it was Saddam.
But when it became clear it was an inside job, bye bye story! Bye bye interest.

It's like people see the headline "FBI STOPS AL QAEDA PLOT", but dont see the next days headline "PLOT WAS FBI STING ENTRAPMENT". Every terror plot is a sting entrapment!
But they dont care.

Nordic: Wachovia Bank knowingly laundered 361 billion of mexican drug cartel money and worked with them for the last few years, total mainstream news. Geraldo is interviewing troops helping poppy heroin crop makers. Time magazine: top Afghan druglord is on the CIA payroll.

Yet...the public doesnt care. Dyncorp involved in child sex slavery in Bosnia and Afghanistan? Pfft, who cares.
Pat Tillman: such a hero to give up being a star NFL player, bravely dying while fighting al Kwayduhs! Oh I mean friendly fire..oh no, he was killed on purpose.
Jessica Lynch...hey never mind the script or the dead comrades!

And yeah, "Duck in a noose". Total manchurian candidate. never mind the white vans, trigger words, etc. 223 bushmaster..more like bush IS master, 322.

Now we have this game changing bin Laden story. DNA can't be matched that fast, there now was apparently no firefight at all. No human shields. No fancy mansion, just a shabby mold ridden compound.
The situation room wasnt getting real time footage. All lies its turned out. And now were hearing bin Laden wasnt just shot in the head, but his whole face and head is gone. "too gory to show".
"we dont want to inflame the Muslims". GAH!

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Also I need to apologize to Hugh.

They blew those fucking towers to smithereens. I still won't say who they are...but I think I got tired of the obsession exclusively on the tower theories, hence why I've poo poo'd CD talk.
I don't know what brought the towers down artifically, but I have no doubt there was some action to ensure they got reduced to fine micron dust.
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 06, 2011 5:23 am

Gahhh...the "Pakistani ISI really is behind bin Laden, al qaeda and the Taliban! By Golly we've been tricked by Pakistan" meme is everywhere. Every neocon tv host, liberal show,
forum, blog, etc.

This isn't "the empire revealing itself", this is exactly what they want. The elite used Pakistan all this time so they could pull a "Job" and say see! The Devil has been working against you(when in reality in the story of Job, God and the Devil tag team against Job and his family) If "Pakistan has some splainin' to do" as Obama's top officials have said, so does the CIA.

When the head of the CIA and Military are all saying Pakistan is behind the Taliban and al Qaeda, it's clear what's freaking going on. This whole thing wreaks of a setup to frameup Pakistan.
Forget Iran, I can already see where this narrative is going.

Did anyone else see this coming? I bet half the ISI theories I've been spouting were Indian propaganda anyways, or at least only part of the truth.
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Fri May 06, 2011 5:54 am

Yeah I saw it coming...

Many so-called international relations analysts apparently have no idea the fervent hatred that India has for Pakistan. I guarantee it's not on the same level that the Americans are feeling. The bin Laden revelation (true or not) is stoking serious fears and anger in the Indian zealot lot.

What we have are two nations who have been at war with each other at various times throughout their history and plenty of times throughout recent history. Pakistan is politically fragile. Both possess nuclear weapons. Popular feeling in Pakistan is widely anti-American. On-going drone strikes on Pakistani civilians have done a wonderful job stoking this fire and conditioned the Pakistanis to ready themselves for this shift in alliance. The Mumbai massacre is on India's mind.

This is why i'm not as optimistic (sorta?) as the OP.

Headlines within the last few hours:

-Gunmen kill six at soccer field in Pakistan
-Pakistani Shi'ties killed in suspected militant attack
-Shaken by raid, Pakistani army faces new scrutiny
- Pakistan's army warns US not to stage more raids

Although the narrative certainly goes both ways.
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby 8bitagent » Fri May 06, 2011 6:03 am

Occult Means Hidden wrote:Yeah I saw it coming...

Many so-called international relations analysts apparently have no idea the fervent hatred that India has for Pakistan. I guarantee it's not on the same level that the Americans are feeling. The bin Laden revelation (true or not) is stoking serious fears and anger in the Indian zealot lot.

What we have are two nations who have been at war with each other at various times throughout their history and plenty of times throughout recent history. Pakistan is politically fragile. Both possess nuclear weapons. Popular feeling in Pakistan is widely anti-American. On-going drone strikes on Pakistani civilians have done a wonderful job stoking this fire and conditioned the Pakistanis to ready themselves for this shift in alliance. The Mumbai massacre is on India's mind.

This is why i'm not as optimistic (sorta?) as the OP.

Headlines within the last few hours:

-Gunmen kill six at soccer field in Pakistan
-Pakistani Shi'ties killed in suspected militant attack
-Shaken by raid, Pakistani army faces new scrutiny
- Pakistan's army warns US not to stage more raids

Although the narrative certainly goes both ways.


And another headline from Chicago "Pakistan orchestrated Mumbai attack".

I don't know what's going on...if the ISI is really behind all this, if its disinfo, if Indian RAW is falseflagging itself, if the ptb are having ISI do this and then selling them out. But its dangerous...India wants to war with Pakistan almost as much as Cheney wanted to attack Iran. Theyve even almost come to nuclear blows at one time.

I do fear a nuclear attack will be staged not even in America or Europe as we have feared, but India. And folks, it's all over from there. Tens of thousands of dead Indians, WW3 to follow.
I bet if it were to happen, it'd be a total falseflag with no ISI elements but made to point to ISI. Probably again using Lashkar-e-Toiba as the fallguy.

Pakistan was forced into killing its own people in Swat and Warzaristan by the US, and then was crapped on. And then endlessly attacked, and then Raymond Davis. And Pakistan is like "yeah we're tired of this bullshit". And the CIA and US is all "whats that Pakistan? You harbored bin Laden and support the Taliban?"

Though I bet they won't dare accuse ISI of 9/11, because that would hit way too close to home.
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Re: Truth activists/bloggers snatch defeat from jaws of vict

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Fri May 06, 2011 7:24 am

lupercal wrote:
HamdenRice wrote: Check your PM. I have no interest in calling someone out with whom I have no gripes.


Then why did you?

HamdenRice wrote: For this, I was banned from a forum by someone who is posting in this very forum these days. . . .

I don't give a flying fig about you or your dopey LIHOP spookery but this strikes me as a DU-worthy slime. And to be honest, if you're talking about PI which I'm assuming you are, I don't even think you were banned, but if you were, it was one of Tinoire's better moments.

:P

Creep.

Well at least I don't have to PM HR to find out who he was talking about.

Thanks for outing yourself.
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