'Freak' elevator death at Young & Rubicam spook firm.

[cptmarginal]

Hey now, no need to respond to insults so actively or exaggerate here Nordic! It's been a long time since there were enough "keyword hijacking" threads that I personally felt like maybe not coming around. Keeping these discussions in specific threads and not allowing other topics to revolve around his unique theory has worked out great, and even allowed me to take him more seriously and read what he has to say. Just my two cents...

Only 17 progressive posters and aprox. 132 psyoperators trolling RI to glean COIN strategies.

The charge or insinuation of "disinfo agent" can almost never be proven, and poisons and often ends meaningful discussion. Therefore suggesting a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation is not permitted.

Since Hugh repeatedly breaks this rule, and others have broken it in regards to him in the past, here's some fairly obvious food for thought. Regardless of whether I agree with Hugh's more controversial posts (I usually don't) and regardless of whether I personally think of him in the manner I'm about to point out (I don't) - this is just something I feel like saying.

Because of how Hugh's unique opinions appear to others and how they fit in at this forum, many outside observers probably think that he is the most likely disinfo agent in the whole place. Again, he may be spot-on in his analysis but this is just a simple matter of how it looks to others. Even (especially?) on KWH threads where nobody responds to disagree, the unique nature of his theories make him seem patently suspect. Anyone who has spent enough time here usually thinks otherwise, that he is being quite genuine.

[eyeno]

For the ignorant and naive, like Nordic,

You know, Hugh, when you shit all over the board, as tou're doing these days, the board stinks.

And I don't even want to be here.

Hugh, your constant dropping of turds in the punchbowls here damn near ruins this place.

You are a delusional psycho, but mostly you are an obnoxious boor and a drama queen with a tin ear.

Wht you are tolerated here is really beyond me. I quoted a brilliant response to you by someone else here in the "R.I. Quotes" thead. I hope you've seen it.

Hugh's premise that Hollywood is a bastion of spook predictive programming is spot on. The spooks use Hollywood to rub shit in the public's face on a regular basis.

I don't always agree with Hugh's ideas but I enjoy reading them anyway.

This is Hugh's thread. Maybe you disagree with him, but its not appropriate to come to Hugh's thread with the specific intent of insulting him and shitting in his thread. I find your response to 'his' thread far more damaging to the board than this simple little thread.

Every once in a while I used to post some stuff that was seriously on the fringe in an effort to get feedback from the board. I wanted to see what the board would make of it. I may not have believed it myself but I wanted to post it and get feedback to see if I was missing some points of view. I stopped doing it because of responses like this. The world is depressing enough due to the rape and pillage that is occurring. I try to have fun with research topics because it helps take some of the edge off of this miserable circumstance we find ourselves in.

Don't be such a killjoy dude.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yes, Virginia. Real world events are staged on the ground as news cycle management, including killing people. For decades. I have a list.
Surveillance, sabotage, psyops.
It's a formula that ex-CIA whistleblower, Philip Agee, warned us of back in 1975. Catch up now.

The other interesting 'coincidence' regarding keywords/themes/dates is...

The same day that Doris Gillespie was burned to death in an elevator by a 'psychopathic black operator,'
it was the exact anniversary of a self-immolation by a frustrated fruit vendor which started the 'Arab Spring' of rmass resistance to dictatorships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi



Vietnam? Buddhists self-immolating? Hmm. Lots of subversive history gets upstaged by this atrocity.
Right on time.

*delete. Just the basics are over most heads. Avoid complexity to get primary messages out.*

I rarely post here since the trolls doing ad hominem attacks just eat up my bandwith, as they are supposed to.
There's an infowar on.

[MacCruiskeen]

An elevator suddenly shot up 20 feet as a Young & Rubicam ad exec. named Hart was stepping on and mutilated her to death. Gruesome.

The world thinks it was a freak accident. Unexplainable. Right. Timed to got with the 'end' of a war started using elevators.

JUST...IN...CASE...someone posts about all those elevator movies before 9/11, right? So now your SEO strategy is covered...with the blood and guts of a tool. s.o.p.

Please explain to me exactly why the "spook firm" Young & Rubicam chose -- according to you -- to murder:

1) one of their own employees

2) this person in particular (an "ad exec. named Hart")

and

3) to do so in their own building, thereby closing down that building and attracting the attention of the local, national and global media.

It's not exactly good publicity for Young & Rubicam, is it? And, as murders go, it wasn't exactly slick, was it?

I thank you in advance, not just for your carefully-reasoned explanation, but also for the compelling evidence you will provide in support of it.

[MacCruiskeen]

By the way, I have no first-hand experience of being either a spook or a murderer, but it strikes me as a decidedly unreliable way of killing or even badly injuring anyone. I mean, the intended victim might just have fallen over or something.

But no doubt I'm pitiably naive, and no doubt you'll explain to me (to all of us) exactly why this was in a fact a very reliable method of killing someone, not to mention devilishly discreet.

[Simulist]

And I thank you in advance, not just for your carefully-reasoned explanation, but also for the compelling evidence you will provide in support of it.

My. Aren't we optimistic today…

[MacCruiskeen]

Clearly Hugh has watched too many movies. He thinks the CIA is The Joker.

I am not joking.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

An elevator suddenly shot up 20 feet as a Young & Rubicam ad exec. named Hart was stepping on and mutilated her to death. Gruesome.

The world thinks it was a freak accident. Unexplainable. Right. Timed to got with the 'end' of a war started using elevators.

JUST...IN...CASE...someone posts about all those elevator movies before 9/11, right? So now your SEO strategy is covered...with the blood and guts of a tool. s.o.p.

Please explain to me exactly why the "spook firm" Young & Rubicam chose -- according to you -- to murder:

1) one of their own employees.

Not what I wrote.
The perps (covert paramilitary black ops) would have used the historical reputation of Young & Rubicam (which I outlined) to evoke the keyword "spook"
by staging their elevator-death keyword incident in that office building using an unwitting victim as the media focus.

2) this person in particular (an "ad exec. named Hart")

This name has many relevant connotations.
Color, centrality, distribution....of the nanothermite used to take apart the core columns of the Twin Towers, the incident at the heart of the so-called 'War on Terror' into the oil regions.
Plus the most damning pre-knowledge film of 2001, 'The Shaft,' includes in image of an eeevil-spooky-red-dripping-heart-thing in the 'haunted elevator shaft' killing people.

and

3) to do so in their own building, thereby closing down that building and attracting the attention of the local, national and global media.

Attracting attention to keywords, themes, and images was THE WHOLE POINT.

It's not exactly good publicity for Young & Rubicam, is it?

Wrong. Before this, Young and Rubicam was known historically as a victimizer for running the Hollywood black list system.
But this incident against a poor unwitting woman evokes the identity of 'victim,' just like the inside-job of 9/11 and US identity globally.

And, as murders go, it wasn't exactly slick, was it?

Wrong. It was horribly slick.
The exact timing, the exact firm identity evocatiion-as-meme-reversal, the exact victim last name, the exact plausibly-deniable 'accident,' a personal terror for millions of urbanites taking elevators to work every single day previously suppressing their worst fears about 'technological failure' but now wondering if....transferred to the bogus cover story of 'collapse of the World Trade Center'....

See 'Dan Mitrione.' heh. The CIA torture trainer who specialized in finesse-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione
.

....
He is quoted as having said once: "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect."
.....

[Nordic]

If Hugh would stick to posting his nonsense in his own threads that would be one thing. But he doesn't do that. He goes to damn near every thread and drops his bombs into them, more often than not disrupting them.

It's like you're at a great dinner party involved in some great conversations with a bunch of brilliant people, and some crazy homeless guy wanders in off the street and starts shouting everyone down about how the CIA is everywhere, "The Salmon Mousse -- its a CIA plant!!".

You either kick the guy out or you let him break up the party.

But if wants his own room, preferably soundproofed, that's fine. But just stay the fuck out of the other conversations unless you have basic social skills, ok?

[MacCruiskeen]

Hugh, you have gazed into the abyss and the abyss has totally pwned you.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

By the way, I have no first-hand experience of being either a spook or a murderer, but it strikes me as a decidedly unreliable way of killing or even badly injuring anyone. I mean, the intended victim might just have fallen over or something.

Testing. Rehearsal. This would ensure a successfully timed 'hit.'

Oh, and some electronic updating just before the 'tragedy.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -Hart.html

'Billion-to-one' power surge may be to blame for Madison Avenue elevator tragedy, as repair company's safety record is called into question
.....
Yesterday, investigators said they were looking at work done by Transel on the elevator shortly before the accident.
Tony Sclafani, a spokesman for the city Department of Buildings, told the Post: 'This work has now become the focus of our investigation.'

But no doubt I'm pitiably naive, and no doubt you'll explain to me (to all of us) exactly why this was in a fact a very reliable method of killing someone, not to mention devilishly discreet.

A "billion-to-one" right after some electronic updating work. Right.

There are around 60,000 elevators in the city, which caused 53 accidents last year - three of which were fatal, reported the New York Times.

My my. Just three fatalities in a year. But this one has lots of psyops fingerprints...

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Nordic, if there was just one atom of information from you, I could refute it. But you are a vacuum. Just a sucking sound. Of troll breath.

[jingofever]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission:_I ... %28film%29

Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) is an agent of an Impossible Missions Force (IMF) team, an unofficial branch of the CIA... The mission goes hopelessly wrong, seemingly resulting in the deaths of technician Jack Harmon (Emilio Estevez) by being crushed in an elevator shaft

Crushed when he cannot stop the elevator from going up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Hard

McClane uses the C-4 to blow up the building floor occupied by James and Alexander, killing them both.

He drops the C-4 down an elevator shaft.

[MacCruiskeen]

The same day that Doris Gillespie was burned to death in an elevator by a 'psychopathic black operator,'
it was the exact anniversary of a self-immolation by a frustrated fruit vendor which started the 'Arab Spring' of rmass resistance to dictatorships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi



Vietnam? Buddhists self-immolating? Hmm. Lots of subversive history gets upstaged by this atrocity.
Right on time.

Wait a minute! Why is the very common name "Gillespie" in red, and why do you then jump immediately to the North African fruit-seller Mohamed Gillespie, and to the Vietnamese Buddhist monk Trung Gillespie?

Aaah, I get it now: they were all called Gillespie! (Jaysus, I'm really slow on the uptake sometimes.)

My favourite teacher at primary school was called Miss Gillespie. I also went out with a very nice girl called Gillespie for a while. I mention this only because it's completely irrelevant. When in Rome, etc.

[Searcher08]

@Hugh -

I'm not surprised there are no records of any work done on the elevators at the WTC with NYC's Dept of Buildings. The Port Authority is beholden to know one and as far as I know was exempt from having to pull permits or subject themselves to building inspectors. The Port Authority might have some records for any renovations or upgrades but since we never had a real 9/11 investigation, the PA was never obliged to release any of their records.

One more tidbit (not elevators) is that both Towers were completely rewired after the 1993 bombing. But of course, the debunkers will always claim that it was impossible to wire the buildings for explosives without anyone noticing. It sure is possible as long as you don't tell anyone what you're really doing.

Back to the elevators - Fuel Air Explosives in the elevators shafts was probably one of the key ingredients required to take these buildings down, without leaving too much evidence behind.

I think the odds were a belt and braces approach - far too much at stake from a risk profile to allow a single point of mission failure...
I agree - and suggested this back in about 2003 IIRC. Response? THER-MITE! THER-MITE !! etc etc
Add a 0.1 kiloton micronuke in the basement - there were highly elevated tritium levels at the WTC after the blasts. These things EASILY transportable by a couple of people - there was a film on yT of a battlefield nuke being fired in the 1960s. It was TINY.