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eyeno wrote:So if anybody, why not save the disdain for the people who are manufacturing the illusions?
Simulist wrote:JackRiddler wrote:The problem with Obama is that he is the continuation of the Bush regime, but the Republican to follow (based on experience) is not going to be a continuation of Obama, but a whole new frontier of hurt.
Well, that's the booga-booga the same-old-shit is going to go by this time.
So, you see, that's why it's SO IMPORTANT that you vote for Obama — again!
Uh huh.
wintler2 wrote:I hear a whole lot of delusional "why can't we just get along?", which is the motto of the weak begging mercy of the powerful the world over. I blame the lack of history in contemporary education.
sunny wrote:wintler2 wrote:I hear a whole lot of delusional "why can't we just get along?", which is the motto of the weak begging mercy of the powerful the world over. I blame the lack of history in contemporary education.
But why does this have to be so? We can most certainly 'love' our fellow man without begging mercy of the powerful. We can refuse to give in to the rhetoric that trickles down on them like so much piss from a golden bidet. We can refuse to concede their right to tell us how to behave, how to speak, how to vote, how to love and raise a family, and we can stand there and refuse to be moved when they do the bidding of their masters and try to take what is rightfully ours, right down to our speech and the words we use. And we can do it all without ever once letting go of our love and respect for their humanity, and we can HAVE love and respect for their humanity without ever bowing and scraping to the overlords. In fact, when we DO hate them we've already lost. The overlords will have won.
justdrew wrote:who said anything about hating "them" - the call was to RECOGNIZE and face the situation.
sunny wrote:wintler2 wrote:I hear a whole lot of delusional "why can't we just get along?", which is the motto of the weak begging mercy of the powerful the world over. I blame the lack of history in contemporary education.
But why does this have to be so? We can most certainly 'love' our fellow man without begging mercy of the powerful. We can refuse to give in to the rhetoric that trickles down on them like so much piss from a golden bidet. We can refuse to concede their right to tell us how to behave, how to speak, how to vote, how to love and raise a family, and we can stand there and refuse to be moved when they do the bidding of their masters and try to take what is rightfully ours, right down to our speech and the words we use. And we can do it all without ever once letting go of our love and respect for their humanity, and we can HAVE love and respect for their humanity without ever bowing and scraping to the overlords.
In fact, when we DO hate them we've already lost. The overlords will have won.
justdrew wrote:who said anything about hating "them" - the call was to RECOGNIZE and face the situation.
They fucking hate you. They want you, and everyone who speaks for you, and every institution that represents your values, whether it be Planned Parenthood or food banks or ACORN- you name it. They want it destroyed.
I just do not understand why more people do not recognize this. The Republicans have declared total war on America, and people are responding like this is politics as usual. It isn’t. It really isn’t. It’s really all or nothing at this point. We put the birchers/tea party/conservatives back in their place and destroy the current GOP, or we deal with this shit for the next forty-sixty years.
I know I am Godwining this post, but we are at the point where we know who is going to set the Reichstag fire. Are we up to stopping them?
justdrew wrote:eyeno wrote:So if anybody, why not save the disdain for the people who are manufacturing the illusions?
and who is that?
and I think you need to do a better job recognizing your allies. Pointing out the hatred that dominate the opposition is not the same as engaging in it. People are fed the fuck up with rightwing bullshit and they will express that. You can't assume they're just caught up in illusion, that can be said of ANYONE and EVERYONE.
They masquerade their bullshit in the words of Jesus and the all-knowing free market, but it is transparent what motivates them. Not love for their fellow man, not love for their fellow citizen, not love for country- what motivates them is hate for the other.
You.
They fucking hate you. They want you, and everyone who speaks for you, and every institution that represents your values, whether it be Planned Parenthood or food banks or ACORN- you name it. They want it destroyed.
I just do not understand why more people do not recognize this. The Republicans have declared total war on America, and people are responding like this is politics as usual. It isn’t. It really isn’t. It’s really all or nothing at this point. We put the birchers/tea party/conservatives back in their place and destroy the current GOP, or we deal with this shit for the next forty-sixty years.
I know I am Godwining this post, but we are at the point where we know who is going to set the Reichstag fire. Are we up to stopping them?
But that's just it, Drew. Facing "the situation" isn't imagining that "they fucking hate you" — that's just playing directly into the hands of THE FEW who've gotten so good at dividing us, THE MANY, from one another.
The real "they" feel safer that way.
Then there was the extraordinary Colonel Edward Lansdale. He was an advertising executive who invented what he called "psywar" when he almost singlehandedly stopped a communist takeover of the Philippines in the 1950s.
To do this Lansdale employed anthropologists to research into the fears and beliefs of the Huk rebels. He then used the information ruthlessly to create more fear. He described how he used the terror of vampires.
"One Psywar operation played upon the popular fear of asuang, or vampire. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol.
They punctured his neck with two holes, vampire fashion, held the body up by the heels, drained it of blood, and put the corpse back on the trail.
When the Huks returned to look for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the asuang had got him and that one of them would be next"
Lansdale said these techniques were incredibly effective.
wintler2 wrote:
Poland in 1939 was toast, didn't have a chance, had left their run far too late. Iran is currently being battered into a corner, and i'll bet there are desperate Iranians whimpering 'why can't we live in peace'. The only reason the bully hasn't come for you & me yet is that its still got other tastier victims; thats our white folks privelidge for which i'm sickly grateful, but it wont last forever. If we don't fight, we lose.
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