WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:53 pm

Weird that this is from the AP, who is usually so cooperative with the Pentagon.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/142811145.html

Pentagon says it has no records of bin Laden's death; CIA hasn't answered open records request

* Article by: RICHARD LARDNER , Associated Press
* Updated: March 15, 2012 - 3:06 PM

WASHINGTON - The hunt for Osama bin Laden took nearly a decade. It could take even longer to uncover U.S. government emails, planning reports, photographs and more that would shed light on how an elite team of Navy SEALs killed the world's most wanted terrorist.

Ten months after that electrifying covert mission, an administration that has pledged to be the most transparent in American history is refusing to release documents about it under the Freedom of Information Act. The records could provide insights into how bin Laden died, how the U.S. verified his identity and how it decided to bury him at sea, as well as photographs taken during and after the May 2011 raid on his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

Government officials have openly discussed details of the mission in speeches, interviews and television appearances, but the administration won't disclose records that would confirm their narrative of that fateful night. The Obama administration has not said even where in Washington's bureaucracy all the documents might be stored.

Requests for bin Laden materials were among the most significant of any filed last year under the open records law, which compels the government to turn over copies of federal records for free or at little cost. Anyone who seeks information under the law is generally supposed to get it unless disclosure would hurt national security, violate personal privacy or expose business secrets or confidential decision-making. The law has been the focus of extra attention since Sunday, the start of Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

Citing the law, The Associated Press asked for files about the raid in more than 20 separate requests, mostly submitted the day after bin Laden's death. The Pentagon told the AP this month it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden's body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden's body on the Navy aircraft carrier where the al-Qaida leader's body was taken.

The Pentagon said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed. It said it searched files at the Pentagon, U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., and the Navy command in San Diego that controls the USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier used in the mission.

The Defense Department told the AP in late February it could not find any emails about the bin Laden mission or his "Geronimo" code name that were sent or received in the year before the raid by William McRaven, the three-star admiral at the Joint Special Operations Command who organized and oversaw the mission. It also could not find any emails from other senior officers who would have been involved in the mission's planning. It found only three such emails written by or sent to then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and these consisted of 12 pages sent to Gates summarizing news reports after the raid.

Under the FOIA, even if a document contains secrets about national security, the government can censor those passages but must release anything else in the document that is "reasonably segregable."

The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night. In the hours and days after bin Laden's death, the White House provided conflicting versions of events, falsely saying that bin Laden was armed and even firing at the SEALs, misidentifying which of bin Laden's sons was killed, and incorrectly saying bin Laden's wife died in the shootout. President Barack Obama's press secretary attributed the errors to the "fog of combat."

Since then, no authoritative or contemporaneous records have been made available. For the Obama administration, the book on bin Laden appears to be closed.

The Pentagon is refusing even to confirm or deny the existence of helicopter maintenance logs and reports about the performance of military gear used in the raid. One of the stealth helicopters that carried the SEALs to Abbottabad crashed during the mission and its wreckage was left behind. People who lived near bin Laden's compound took photos of the disabled chopper as it straddled one of the high walls surrounding the building. The photos showed a unique tail rotor that aviation experts said was designed to avoid radar detection.

On the AP's request for the helicopter records and equipment reports, the Defense Department invoked what is known as a "Glomar response." The reference dates to the 1970s when the CIA refused to confirm or deny the existence of the Glomar Explorer, a ship the agency used in the attempted salvage of a sunken Soviet submarine.


There's also a page 2.


I just realized this is from a few days ago, the 15th. FUNNY how it didn't make a bigger splash.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Aurataur » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:22 pm

The law has been the focus of extra attention since Sunday, the start of Sunshine Week, when news organizations promote open government and freedom of information.

That has to be one of the most unintentionally hilarious sentences I've ever read.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:44 pm

Yes, I suppose it helps to keep one's sense of humour.

So, the Pentagon doesn't even have any original information documents about the alleged 'hit'.

Not sure I'm surprised. I guess there is an even greater unofficial prohibition against filing false documents than the downside of consequences of or chances of a false-story being exposed.

Since so many initial story details of the raid were false, I guess that creates a 'cloud' of ambiguity officialdom can use to shield itself from responsibility for it. This nonsense is apparently what passes for an official code of honor and duty today -- The only 'record' of the US's raid and extrajudicial killing of OBL are vaguely-attributed 'news' reports -- and people are actually supposed to BELIEVE this?

I don't believe this 'story'. The Pentagon's failure to verify it reinforces my skepticism.

I hardly believe anything the Pentagon or WhiteHouse say anymore unless they deny it.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:49 pm

Nordic wrote:Weird that this is from the AP, who is usually so cooperative with the Pentagon.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/142811145.html

Pentagon says it has no records of bin Laden's death; CIA hasn't answered open records request

* Article by: RICHARD LARDNER , Associated Press
* Updated: March 15, 2012 - 3:06 PM

WASHINGTON - The hunt for Osama bin Laden took nearly a decade. It could take even longer to uncover U.S. government emails, planning reports, photographs and more that would shed light on how an elite team of Navy SEALs killed the world's most wanted terrorist.

I just realized this is from a few days ago, the 15th. FUNNY how it didn't make a bigger splash.


The AP article doesn't seem to appear in any major publications.

Page one of a Google search for the headline shows the following:

Star Tribune

Whatreallyhappened.com

Facts Not Fairies Blog

The Coming Crisis Blog

Legalnews.findlaw

Mymarketingfile.com

Mn-blog

Sunshineweek.org

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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Saurian Tail » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:17 pm

This took my breath away in light of the "no records" story posted by nordic:

Joe Biden On Bin Laden Raid: Most 'Audacious Plan' In 500 Years

The Huffington Post | By Sam Stein
Posted: 03/19/2012 9:45 pm

Vice President Joseph Biden on Monday night upped the ante around the already quite-dramatic assassination of Osama bin Laden.

From the pool report of Biden's comments during a fundraising event in New Jersey come these quotes.

"You can go back 500 years. You cannot find a more audacious plan. Never knowing for certain. We never had more than a 48 percent probability that he was there."

"Do any one of you have a doubt that if that raid failed that this guy would be a one-term president?"

"This guy is willing to do the right thing and risk losing."

Without taking anything away from the quite dangerous raid to get bin Laden, there are other commander-in-chief calls that could compete for historical audaciousness. Biden's penchant for rhetorical flair may have been at work. But at other points, he was decidedly on message.

"Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive," he said, according to the pool report. "Think about it."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/1 ... 65902.html


A 48% probability??? WTF is he talking about? Not 47%. Not 49%. We are talking 48%! If you ask me, I'd have to say the VP is 100% full of shit.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Nordic » Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:26 pm

Yeah and if the raid had failed, we never would have heard a word about it. I mean, who would have told us about it anyway? The Pakistani neighbors, who told us a completely different version of the nights events anyway?

The whole thing is a crock of shit.

His claim is crap anyway, one need only go back to Jimmy Carter's attempt to rescue the hostages, which seems to have been sabotaged by Oliver North and Co. That was far more daring than raiding a house that supposedly had a guy on dialysis lounging inside.
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Postby NeonLX » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:50 am

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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:19 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:
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Even ISI officials who questioned Khairiah after the raid were daunted by her.

"She is so aggressive that she borders on being intimidating," Qadir said he was told by an ISI interrogator.
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I'm uttering the Great Nope to this one too.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:46 am

I fully echo all commentary/reaction to this latest lie/bullshit train. You guys are funnier/wittier though, so 'echo' will have to do.
By the way, I know a certain DUer who was banned for having the temerity to question this story back then, and even after all the lies were being exposed, that information was locked/denied and poo-pooed by the rulers and message police. Not to mention all, and I mean ALL the various previous administration propaganda war story lies. It was good and questioningt encouraged then, but now, no way.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:36 pm

2012 Countdown wrote:By the way, I know a certain DUer who was banned for having the temerity to question this story back then, and even after all the lies were being exposed, that information was locked/denied and poo-pooed by the rulers and message police.


:shock:

Why on earth would anybody go there, if that's what it's like?
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:16 pm

Well, you see, politics here is mostly participated in as a 'team' sport. Team A is to be savaged, and Team B can do no wrong.
Also, there can be no Team C, so you either jump in for the 'win' and support your 'team' through unquestioned loyalty, or you are OUT! This goes for Team A too. We have been trained to behave this way by party controllers and corporate propagandists, and more generally by our culture. Free thinkers not allowed.
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:26 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:
2012 Countdown wrote:By the way, I know a certain DUer who was banned for having the temerity to question this story back then, and even after all the lies were being exposed, that information was locked/denied and poo-pooed by the rulers and message police.


:shock:

Why on earth would anybody go there, if that's what it's like?


For the first 4 years Sk&mmer lead everyone to believe you could tell the truth there.....you could even post about 9/11 in general discussion....after that all 9/11 threads were herded to the basement monitored by the very people who are now incharge of the whole website.....bannning anyone who dares to stray
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:26 am

StarmanSkye wrote:I wrote:
"Whoa ... So Obama's not-corpse was not-buried?

Simulist quipped:

"Freudian?"

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Ha! Good eye!

Actually, there may be something to that, at least the subconscious blurring or melding of America's 'foes' given we're only talking about a simple S-substitute-B typo, and that they BOTH are precisely-deliberate PR constructs of the US Deep State serving long-range covert Unconventional Warfare agendas.

HOW many times did the 'official' story change, anyway? I hardly bothered to dig into the evident fable too-deeply -- I found the contradictory first-hand testimony and ancilliary evidence of inconsistencies and outright fraud far more compelling than the pathetic White House and subsequent stories, the tellers of which showed little knowledge of let alone cooperation between to tell a cohesive, believeable narrative. I doubt more than 1 out of 5 Pakistanis trust the 'US killed Osama in daring Helicopter Special Forces raid' report anyway.



Probably the only time I would agree with Hugh's complex theories is the Obama/Osama thing. A decade of non stop two minutes of hate in the media with "Osama is the devil", suddenly ended with "Obama is the lightbringer! Only Obama can get Osama". Aw those word sigilists, always the jokers. No way the globalists were going to let Georgie Boy have at bin Goldstein. It was a fucking knee slapper watching all these lib'ruls have a tweet and facebook hootananny with "WE GOT OSAMA!" My god if the meme-gineer scripting were not already obvious. I think my 2008 prediction that bin Laden was being kept in an ISI safehouse by the globalists "for the right time" was the only thing Ive accurately predicted, so I do have a (thankfully) lousy track record.

Hey I wonder if Obama's daily murder drone campaign of blowing up Muslim villagers is keeping with "Islamic tradition", lulz. one has to wonder, just what was Obama doing in Pakistan in 1981?(I believe Zbiggy B was also there)


It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted some sort of macabre trophy from bin Laden. I never believed the troofer meme that "bin Laden died of kidney failure". To me it makes sense they needed the real deal for their ritual offering or whatever crap these folks are into.

But hey...we can rest assured now. Leo P and the spookery mil-tel can assure us that al Qaeda is dead. The war on terror for the most part is over. "boy glad that's past us!"
And America can get back to what it does best: getting away from "terror scares" and reanimating deep seeded racial tensions.

Perhaps, these names...these blank projections...these polarizing puppet figures that bring us such elation or anger...perhaps it's all a deeper level thang'
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Re: WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:40 am

Also, the wiki release of stratfor emails claimed "up to 12 Pakistani ISI officials" had been in close contact with bin Laden.

The US still hasn't gone all the way in calling Pakistan an enemy. In fact the recent "bounty" offered by the US government for the Mumbai 2008 attacks ONLY points to the LET leader...when all the evidence points to an America DEA/intel asset and an ISI general(Ikbal) behind the whole thing with minimal LET input. PBS even did a whole recent special on this.

I doubt the US has any intention of cutting off Pakistan. Least anytime soon.
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