How do we know the Malala Yousufzai story is real?

[JackRiddler]

Yes, and he was the producer, as well, of "Death in Gaza", and as Mr. Shakespeare points out, was in fact killed by IDF forces while making the film.

Hey, delusional Mr. Blonde Plastic Doll - how the fuck do we know you're real?

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You don't. Mr. Chubby.

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The only funny thing about Your Lameness is that you don't have any room to descend. You've already said some of the vilest shit on this board, and it's not even that you're vile. You're merely an idiot.

Shhh! I just heard people speaking ENGLISH... in Pakistan! Fake alert! I saw pictures of someone... on the BBC! They must not exist! Someone said something about the Taliban being murderous barbarians who kill girls and women for wanting to go to school... which sounds just like NATO propaganda! I haven't bothered to inform myself in the least about this case, and betray my utter ignorance, but I'm going to ask the questions, damn it! The Taliban don't have drones, so they love girls! Goo goo g'joob!

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[Wombaticus Rex]

SURELY WE CAN DISAGREE BY MEANS OF MERE DISAGREEMENT.

CIVILITY CHECK, ONE TWO, ONE TWO.

[justdrew]

drone strikes kill 80% civilians? How do you know? People on the ground in the area say the militants don't let anyone in to the area after a strike, and then claim whatever they want. HOW DO YOU KNOW the militants aren't killing the children and claiming they died in the strike?

What the fuck are these militant meetings doing going on around civilians and children? In fact, most of the locals want nothing to do with the militants, but have only limited ability to resist them. Go look for what the folks on the ground REALLY think. There's a lot more support now that our policies are not so retarded as they were. Many are glad for the strikes because they'd like to see the Gangs removed from the area as well. A few of the militants are probably local youth who seek revenge for something, but not all, and not the leadership.

This is surely better than marching our own young adults around all over the places exposing them to roadside bombs and snipers. As far as I know the night raids are done and gone, they're not doing that shit anymore. Local government is taking over the job from us, we ARE leaving. finally.

and I don't appreciate being pushed to justify all this shit, but Nordic, you're spouting hysterical nonsense that is completely out of the Republican playbook. you really don't seem to know who the enemy is. It's called the republican party. End it, and we can end the rest of the bullshit. In time.

[JackRiddler]

HOW DO YOU KNOW the militants aren't killing the children and claiming they died in the strike?

This is a stretch Drew. (Oh wait, I see: you're making fun of Nordic. But anyway...)

We know the USG has a kill list (however gathered), probably very much based on info from friendly warlords (who are generally as bad as the Taliban, and are largely former mujahedeen, i.e., largely Taliban). If they think they're targeting someone on it (correctly or not), the house blows up, they declare a victory ("number two" this or that has been killed!) and all males killed in the vicinity were "militants." This is even the NY Times saying so, at this point. They don't ask who was there. This does not merit any kind of justification. It also happens to be the only allowable alternative (from a Pentagon-Empire view) to another "surge." It's destabilizing the place.

Notwithstanding how this thread began, I bet most people here could agree with the RAWA position, and no one is more on the front line or at risk than RAWA: NATO out militarily, or at least as an offensive force, and give real support for development in Afghanistan.

[wintler2]

Offtopic - I think the advantages of drone strikes have been understated, theres multiple benefits:
1. they make television (gotta space the ads somehow).
2. they keep the cash rolling to the 50+% of US economy that is devoted to warfare & killing (y'all being rabid military socialists).
3. they keep up the illusion that some progress is being made in Afghanistan. Hollywood can camoflage one lost war, no problem just focus on the next/current war, but hiding two consecutive losses is harder, hence they/we just keep killing and call it progress.

Another great thing about drones is they can be discreetly used to attack AND defend, so it'll save on complex falseflag ops for current & future war/s.
Another another great thing about drones is the low labour costs.

So whens the next cute-robot movie due out?

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Nordic is right re Malala Yousufzai, at least so far as the imperialists making a fetish of her for propaganda purposes. Regardless of whether a setup from the getgo, the fuss being made over 1 individual, no matter her merits, is revolting.

[Elvis]

SURELY WE CAN DISAGREE BY MEANS OF MERE DISAGREEMENT.

CIVILITY CHECK, ONE TWO, ONE TWO.

Please.


Please.


Thank you.

[justdrew]

HOW DO YOU KNOW the militants aren't killing the children and claiming they died in the strike?

This is a stretch Drew. (Oh wait, I see: you're making fun of Nordic. But anyway...)

no I wasn't exactly. It's a stretch, but not outside the realm of possibility. At any rate who can doubt the 'militants' are doing everything they possibly can to make civilian casualties look as high as is possible? Why wouldn't they be doing that?

We know the USG has a kill list (however gathered), probably very much based on info from friendly warlords (who are generally as bad as the Taliban, and are largely former mujahedeen, i.e., largely Taliban).

If you're talking western Pakistan, I think the intelligence is mostly coming from locals, tribal elders etc, there's not a lot of "friendly warlords" there as such, sure most if not all men have rifles, and I'm sure an elder can scare up a posse when needed, but they don't normally self-organized as "warlords"

In Afghanistan, yeah, there's more of the "friendly warlord" stuff going on. It's going to take a while for "institutionalized government" to fully form there, maybe a generation. It's up to them to pull it off, as the US is increasingly "outta there"

Take a look at the articles I just posed in the master Drone thread.

[alwyn]

weighing in late, nordic, but Saira Shah's father, the noted writer Idries Shah, was from Afghanistan, and she was raised on tales of the beautiful gardens there. She went to see her homeland, to see what had happened since the Ruskis, and she was a reporter. go figure.

I saw her producer killed in their documentary in Israel. not pretty. not propaganda for anything except peace. she has been missing from the limelight because her child was born with some kind of disability, and she has been caring for her, and moved out of the country.

I understand how paranoid it can get in the face of the limitless propaganda running up to the election, but you are wrong about this one.

[jcivil]

The shitstem will grin and use any expedient, even a "good story".

The stellar point is that if she was killed by a NWOdrone it would be unnews.

[smiths]

exactly, its the most powerful confirmation you can get of the effectiveness of propaganda

the technoLeviathan envelopes the globe, watching and listening, extracting, torturing or incinerating people in the tens of thousands and everybody keeps skipping along
a handful of fanatics whose country has been terrorised for 4 decades shoot one little girl and the whole worlds media swoons and hangs on her recovery as if she were the golden child, the only child who could somehow tell us all who the evildoers are
and we recognise them because we have been told their name, and we know what we have to do

round of applause for Edward Bernays, John Rendon and FM 3-05.301, heck of a job

but hey, its the republicans, and yes, the Democratics will fix it, just like Jim did

[Wombaticus Rex]

Anything can be used by the spectacle factory but that doesn't mean the spectacle factory controls reality. That anything can be faked does not equate to everything being fake.

We're committing massive category errors that transform office managers into Illuminati magicians and those fat fucks do not deserve the credit.

[Jeff]

Reading some Jacques Ellul this morning reminded me of this thread. Particularly:

Propaganda by its very nature is an enterprise for perverting the significance of events and of insinuating false intentions.

Malala Yousufzai and the Taliban really exist. They also really shot her and still want her dead. However, IMO, all the stories our media tells we should read in light of Ellul's observation.

[American Dream]

[Nordic]

Anybody remember that woman who was shot, on camera, during the "Green" revolution in Iran?

Anybody ever doubt that as to who was actually behind her shooting?

Anybody have any idea just how much the CIA was behind the whole revolution in Iran? Social media? I remember we had threads that went on and on about it.

Short memories! Especially in election years, when suddenly so many people's IQ seems to drop about 100 points (assuming it was over 100 to begin with).

And can someone (particularly one of the hysterical ones) point out to me where in this thread I said I actually KNOW anything about what is going on?

My whole point is that they have lied to us so much, they have staged so many killings, assassinations, propaganda events, mind-fucks, false flags and the like, that WE CANNOT KNOW if something like this isn't just another one of those events.

Who here knows for sure? None of you.

That's the whole fucking point.

This place is turning into DailyKos. Thanks to the thuggish condescension of one particular member, and the media-infused hysteria of another. And their little cheering sections.


P.S. There was a time when I thought Al Queda, supported by The Taliban, were 100% behind 9/11.

[Wombaticus Rex]

This place is turning into DailyKos. Thanks to the thuggish condescension of one particular member, and the media-infused hysteria of another. And their little cheering sections.

The thing about uncertainty is, it's boring. It's boring because it's infinite. Rabbis used to settle existential loops with a punch to the nose -- it works.

If your real point is "how do we know anything?" that's a pretty elementary conversation. There's a lot of good guidelines here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31491&start=15

It's a geniunely useful thread, btw, I'm not dismissing Nordic with this but recommending everyone give it a refresher. Thinking is fun...it's learning that's painful.