Crop Circles Are No Hoax, Concludes Historian

[jlaw172364]

@barracuda

This would be an example of what I'm talking about in terms of theme and sophistication. To the uninitiated, it looks otherwordly. But to me, it looks like a combination of religious iconography, and mathematical knowledge; the latter field buttressing the former. Also, note the lines. Earlier versions of crop design were circular in nature, but maybe because the beam or whatever being used to make them couldn't be made narrow enough to get a precise line, because the technology did not yet exist to shrink the controlled phenomenon down to scale.

Maybe this phenomenon will disappear only to be replaced by lawn-grass design that are barely noticeable.

[brainpanhandler]

Can someone please explain to me why CROP circles? Why not sand circles? Or meadow circles? Or forest circles? Or snow circles? or prairie circles?

Well, there is the Oregon Sri Yantra, which is a desert formation.

Hmmm...

The likely real story behind that formation is pretty magical unto itself:

http://changingpower.net/mystery-in-the-alvord-desert/

Humans are ingenious. We really are.

[brainpanhandler]

So most likely, it is the government testing some piece of equipment periodically to ensure that it works the way it is supposed to.

That's the most likely explanation?

[H_C_E]

Who would have busted them? Are there routinely passers-by in the middle of huge crop fields in Wiltshire? I admit I don't know the territory.

Well, I probably should have said instead, that they lost the cover of night.
These formations generally seem to happen right by roadsides. Not conducive
to hoaxers remaining unseen.

I just found this:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/lo ... ve-1244867

This may simply be duplicating what this thread began with, but appeared to
have some additional information.

Who knows, maybe these are military productions. I admit my bias is that
the Universe is stranger than we have the ability to suppose. I have that bias
because that has been my experience. I've encountered more weirdness in the
course of my 43 years than the law allows.

[KeenInsight]

Almost as perplexing as the 'UFO' or Alien Abduction phenomena. Even with crop circles there are clearly cases that are out of the ordinary. Those two famous circle hoaxers are baffling stupid if they were to make everyone believe that they were responsible for all crop circles, really, across continents? No. They were only copying an unknown phenomenon that had already been around everywhere. Its always those cases with these intertwining phenomena, even if that percentage is small where by they remain unexplained, that are quite astonishing.

[justdrew]

i don't think Dave Chorley and Doug Bower ever claimed that they did ALL crop circles. Wasn't the point of their coming forward that they were revealing known techniques, didn't they publish a book or two about how-to? I visited a crop circle once, didn't really get any conclusions from that.

[elfismiles]

We've been over all this before in other threads ... I think there is likely a "real" circles-in-materials bunch of phenomena (see "Saucer Nests", ice rings in water, etc. which all likely predate the modern "crop circle" phenomenon and ever increasingly elaborate likely human made designs) as with the ufo phenom there are probable examples before the modern wave.

However, there are quite a few human groups complicating everything with simple planks and string (see the timelapse video and past "crop circle hoaxing" contests sponsored by Rupert Sheldrake and done under the cloak of night with decible meters to keep the contestants quiet to meet that aspect of the phenom) and even Vallee has reported conversations with alleged witnesses to hang-glider / light-aircraft based microwave devices that could be making some of them.

As in those previous threads I'd recommend Jim Schnabel's ROUND IN CIRCLES book on the subject.


EDIT:

SLAD's link (viewtopic.php?p=490708#p490708) references Schnabel's book and other writing on the subject.

Here is the earlier Vallee Crop Circle thread:

Crop Circles Caused by Microwave Weapons?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=27586

[justdrew]

https://www.google.com/search?q=pennsylvania+dutch+hex+signs

[Iamwhomiam]

jlaw wrote, This would be an example of what I'm talking about in terms of theme and sophistication. To the uninitiated, it looks otherwordly. But to me, it looks like a combination of religious iconography, and mathematical knowledge; the latter field buttressing the former. Also, note the lines. Earlier versions of crop design were circular in nature, but maybe because the beam or whatever being used to make them couldn't be made narrow enough to get a precise line, because the technology did not yet exist to shrink the controlled phenomenon down to scale.

"To the uninitiated, it looks otherwordly. But to me..."

Sorry, jlaw... I couldn't help myself.

To the uninitiated... well, to tell the truth, the real cosmic secret messages crop circles relate are the most unreal, far-out downbeats humans ever heard and they're telling us to stop whatever we're doing and to get up and dance, and keep on dancin', but we're to busy killing each other to be able to hear the music.

[Hammer of Los]

...

To the initiated they look pretty.

3 0 3

The ancient druids of ...

Stone 'enge!

You can find your way home on the 303.

Let somebody know on the 303.

I've got to got to get to someplace I've not seen.

Headless guru in the night show me what you mean!





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[elfismiles]

Are Crop Circles More Than Just Modern Pranks?
By Yue WangFeb. 02, 2013
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/02/are ... z2K2to0woq


FLASHBACK to Aug. 03, 2011 ...

World
High-Powered Research: The Device Behind Those Mysterious Crop Circles
By Tim Newcomb
Aug. 03, 2011

You mean all those crop circles aren’t from aliens after all?

In the world of pressing science, physics professor Richard Taylor and his team from the University of Oregon—yes, these employees are funded with taxpayer money—pieced together prior research on crop circles and deduced that radiation waves from a magnetron works perfectly to create intricate designs in grain fields.

While not quite as cool as aliens, people can create these devices by piecing together parts from a microwave and a battery. Then, the high-powered waves shoot out and topple the grass in these oh-so-beautiful and mysterious patterns, according to Taylor’s report in the journal Physics World.


The magnetron hypothesis, which Taylor says he can replicate in the real world too, supplants some other theories that took on prominence ever since these designs started taking shape in the 1970s, mostly in the UK.

Of course, the idea that aliens leave behind these designs rates right up there with the theory that the circles are messages from earth in the “Are you serious?” category. And even the proposal that odd weather patterns are to blame leaves quite a few question marks.

However, the best far-fetched theory out there blames “stoned wallabies” for getting high on poppy and creating circles after a crop circle formed in 2009 in Tasmania.

And while most folks chalk up these crop circles to elaborate pranks, at least through the hard work of the University of Oregon we now can know how some may actually pull it off. Good work, Ducks. Maybe now you can tackle the Bermuda Triangle dilemma.

MORE: Geology: Weird Arctic Rock Circles

Tim Newcomb is a contributor for TIME. Find him on Twitter at @tdnewcomb. You can also continue the discussion on TIME’s Facebook page and on Twitter at @TIME.

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/08/03/hig ... z2K2ttG3cB

[jlaw172364]

@ iamwhoiam

But that's exactly the point: if you're uninitiated into higher mathematics, or stuff in occult books, it looks like it must be ALIENS!!! But the vast majority of those designs have been around for millenia. There's nothing to indicate that this isn't the work of technologically sophisticated humans . . . unless you're not up to date on technology and math.

It's interesting to me too that NOBODY ever ascribe these phenomena to GOD, you know the great almight supernatural omnipotent, omniscient, rules don't apply to me, explanation for anything not explanable by ordinary humans. At least, I've never seen anyone attribute it to God.

[Wombaticus Rex]

But the vast majority of those designs have been around for millenia.

Amen, I'd believe "Rosicrucians playing with Tesla notebooks" aeons before I'd start considering aliens passing on warp drive technology with 2-d vector lines in crop fields.