Maybe Some People Are Just Evil?

[Canadian_watcher]

IMO there's something odd about the fact that they let him wear that shirt into the courtroom. There was no reason to condone his wearing of that shirt. On a 5 point scale from Righteous to Evil, I`d give the act of allowing him to wear that shirt into court a solid Igor.

Good observation Cw, this is a strange world where one can get kicked out of a shopping mall for wearing a 'give peace a chance' t-shirt while a court of law allows the opposite.

One would expect those folk to do a bit better at preserving proper decorum.

precisely.

and I wonder if this wimpy "I'm just doin' my job" or "I can't be bothered" or "it's not politically correct to <step up>" bullshit attitude that the court officers must have had doesn't contribute as much to the flourishing of evil in the world as does evil itself.

And this is why I'm neither a lawyer nor a social worker, even though it's in my blood ... I'd go through the hoops, practice for a week and then be banned from my profession. I figure it's a faster route to poverty to just be a mouthy artist.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Personally I find Jamie Dimon a lot more offensive than this scrawny, broken little thing.

Hopefully someone in the MIC adopts him and trains him to replace Eric Prince -- it would be a shame to waste this level of executive potential.

[Canadian_watcher]

Personally I find Jamie Dimon a lot more offensive than this scrawny, broken little thing.

Hopefully someone in the MIC adopts him and trains him to replace Eric Prince -- it would be a shame to waste this level of executive potential.

Dimon and this punk both exhibit the same contempt for human life, that's for sure.

[Nordic]

Personally I find Jamie Dimon a lot more offensive than this scrawny, broken little thing.

Hopefully someone in the MIC adopts him and trains him to replace Eric Prince -- it would be a shame to waste this level of executive potential.

Yeah. I've been thinking about the ten year anniversary of the Rape of Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of people murdered thusly, and how there doesn't seem to be the slightest urge on anyone's behalf to throw the perpetrators of that massive crime into jail, or into a pit, or to do any of the things that have bern suggested we do to this kid who only killed one person and who is a rank amatuer.

Adam Lanza's got nothing on Chrney and Rumsfeld and the rest of them. Hell, David Frum is now a somewhat "respectable" pundit now that I've even seen libersl minded people quoting on Facebook! If anyone needs to be thrown into a pit it's the scores of people who conspired to commit this enormous act of mass murder.

[Freitag]

but it may be that some new form of "deterrent" threatened punishment is called for in particularly heinous cases.

What sucks about psychopaths is they have basically no fear and they don't learn from their mistakes, so it's hard to invent deterrents that actually work. I know what you mean though. Somehow prison isn't enough because for some of these criminals, they can live a decent life behind bars, they're cut out for it.

Met a guy once who I thought emanated evil like someone sweats from their pores. Who knows? May have just been my overactive imagination. Here's an article I just read, that ties into this discussion.

http://www.disinfo.com/2013/03/the-ener ... ychopathy/

Good article there, and it led me to rediscover the Disinfo podcast, so thanks.

I once caught a glimpse of evil while in an altered state of consciousness.

I'll have... whatever you're having.

People are getting justice confused with revenge.

Evil people simply need to be removed from the population

Don't they need to be punished? We could remove them from the population by putting them on house arrest, but it hardly seems appropriate. The punishment should fit the crime.

[8bitagent]

Just occurred to me that this is where the "rule of thumb" comes in. I shake a lot of hands. Many people I know in passing, people I don't know and people I do, I shake hands. I can tell the level of empathy with every given hand shake. Feeble "dead fish" handshakes are creepy, because you want to know what's up. I give firm handshakes -- sometimes too firm supposedly -- esp with women. But you can tell a lot from a handshake. If it's dead fish style, keep him on watch. If it's a friendly firm -- well then, trustworthy. The people I know and interact with are judged by their handshake. Dudes that are into guns and shit I've found have very feeble handshakes, while others who are into people have very firm ones. They don't grasp with the thumb as a way of sort of casually "hugging" you. Really friendly people shake the hand and then it is inevitable, a short hug, another handshake and "see you soon and take care of yourself".

That I cant agree with. Ive found a lot of a-holes have hand crushing handshakes. I kind of have a weak handshake, perhaps part and parcel to my somewhat more mercurial effeminate. Not to sound like Im stereotyping but a lot of my gay friends have not so firm handshakes. However, vibes...I glean vibes easily. Ive told female friends who later lament on how a guy turned out to be a jerk, "I coulda told you what he was about the moment I met him".

[8bitagent]

Personally I find Jamie Dimon a lot more offensive than this scrawny, broken little thing.

Hopefully someone in the MIC adopts him and trains him to replace Eric Prince -- it would be a shame to waste this level of executive potential.

Yeah. I've been thinking about the ten year anniversary of the Rape of Iraq and the hundreds of thousands of people murdered thusly, and how there doesn't seem to be the slightest urge on anyone's behalf to throw the perpetrators of that massive crime into jail, or into a pit, or to do any of the things that have bern suggested we do to this kid who only killed one person and who is a rank amatuer.

Adam Lanza's got nothing on Chrney and Rumsfeld and the rest of them. Hell, David Frum is now a somewhat "respectable" pundit now that I've even seen libersl minded people quoting on Facebook! If anyone needs to be thrown into a pit it's the scores of people who conspired to commit this enormous act of mass murder.

Agreed. It's because it's a lone act, humanized and easy to grasp. Focal point on a singular evil deed by an individual. When you get into a zillion people killed...well, unless one has a chaplain stash, it's hard for people to
focus their ire. Case in point, Henry Kissinger. He's portrayed as the bumbling fun zany Manhattan socialite and not how he SHOULD be portrayed. Bush, the affable doddling yokel. Eric Prince, if people knew more about him would be more of the typical evil archtype. But yeah a lot of these people are now in the respected crypto-private sector.

I think *some* on the right have legit criticisms. ie: Bill Clinton's culpability in Iraqi mass deaths. Communist leaders in mass genocide. I see no distinction in the slightest between Hitler and Pol Pot.

The sick sad thing is we now know 100% that Rummy, Cheney and company sat there and wrote internal memos on how they were going to lie, fake intel and snooker and bully everyone into Iraq. There was no god damn "blunders" or "exaggerated intel briefs". Yet hardly anyone seems too angry at them. 150,000-300,000 dead Iraqis is A LOT.

[82_28]

And I disagree with you 8bit (not that I don't still love you), the handshake is where it is at when greeting another or saying goodbye to another. It is a mode of warmth and acceptance. I know plenty of effeminate and gay motherfuckers where we just cut to the chase and go for the bear hug. I am talking about dudes that get freaked out with a self deprecating gay joke. Like say Christopher Cross's "Sailing" comes on and I say to some burly dude, "Isn't this the song playing when we first met?"

"What do you mean?"

"We went on our first date after meeting each other while this song was playing."

Most people laugh, because they get the joke, because it is one helluva gay song, in the sense of no masculine human would put it on and we all must keep up appearances. Those that don't, as my personality speaks for itself, are kinda creepy when they all go "what do you mean by that? Not digging the fag talk" Etc. I just tell them to chill the fuck out, "bro". "But you do have to admit that date we went on was awesome."

"We didn't go on no date."

It's funny to see them sorta squirm. Because of course they think others around them are going to think something of it. Except nobody would care the better. I think I did it tonight at the bar with a customer, in fact. "Remember when this was our song?"

However, firm and but gentle handshakes go a long way in determining trust and also as stated above, the eyes.

[8bitagent]

And I disagree with you 8bit (not that I don't still love you), the handshake is where it is at when greeting another or saying goodbye to another. It is a mode of warmth and acceptance. I know plenty of effeminate and gay motherfuckers where we just cut to the chase and go for the bear hug. I am talking about dudes that get freaked out with a self deprecating gay joke. Like say Christopher Cross's "Sailing" comes on and I say to some burly dude, "Isn't this the song playing when we first met?"

"What do you mean?"

"We went on our first date after meeting each other while this song was playing."

Most people laugh, because they get the joke, because it is one helluva gay song, in the sense of no masculine human would put it on and we all must keep up appearances. Those that don't, as my personality speaks for itself, are kinda creepy when they all go "what do you mean by that? Not digging the fag talk" Etc. I just tell them to chill the fuck out, "bro". "But you do have to admit that date we went on was awesome."

"We didn't go on no date."

It's funny to see them sorta squirm. Because of course they think others around them are going to think something of it. Except nobody would care the better. I think I did it tonight at the bar with a customer, in fact. "Remember when this was our song?"

However, firm and but gentle handshakes go a long way in determining trust and also as stated above, the eyes.

Well I guess I'll have to have a keen awareness of future flexor digitorum gauging and correct any hint of shyness lest one be falsely accused of being less than forthright:)

[82_28]

Dude, say we one day meet. It would be a grasp and a hug. That's all I am saying.

[blankly]

I know quite a bit about evil. RI has changed. It used to be that one couldn't use that word without inviting scorn. On a scale of evil-deeds, the boy's nasty killing spree and publicity seeking sh*ttiness are lowish. Though undoubtedly the capacity to seek to do intentional harm isn't new, complex societies make it easier for psychopaths to go undiscovered. He's probably going to have a bad time inside.

[Iamwhomiam]

Fourth Base wrote, "As I said in another thread, a nitrogen gas chamber is BY FAR the humanest option."

Do you really find depriving one of breathable oxygen, suffocation, to be humane?

I am opposed to all forms of capital punishment for any crime committed, no matter how heinous.

It is vengeful and causes pain to others unrelated to the crime but related to the criminal. Capital punishment cannot deter others from such murderous acts. Some who commit such acts long for another to kill them. Why satisfy their whim? Let them rot away in jail for the rest of their life with the memory of their foolish and momentary act forevermore eating away at them, seeking forgiveness for the unforgivable.

[FourthBase]

Fourth Base wrote, "As I said in another thread, a nitrogen gas chamber is BY FAR the humanest option."

Do you really find depriving one of breathable oxygen, suffocation, to be humane?

I am opposed to all forms of capital punishment for any crime committed, no matter how heinous.

It is vengeful and causes pain to others unrelated to the crime but related to the criminal. Capital punishment cannot deter others from such murderous acts. Some who commit such acts long for another to kill them. Why satisfy their whim? Let them rot away in jail for the rest of their life with the memory of their foolish and momentary act forevermore eating away at them, seeking forgiveness for the unforgivable.

"Humanest", out of all the inhumane options.

It is apparently not only painless, but euphoric.
It is also, as any method of murder is, evil.
Maybe more insidiously evil, as such.

[8bitagent]

Dude, say we one day meet. It would be a grasp and a hug. That's all I am saying.

Im all about that! Im big on the comradery.

[8bitagent]

The gas chamber is heinous, we must have done way different research into capital punishment. A Che' styled bullet would be more humane, but again it's become harder for me to be comfortable with the
death penalty.

This is an excellent new Werner Herzog documentary that meditates on both sides of the issue:
The two young men did these horrific acts, and even try and fashion themselves after the West Memphis case in believing they're victims unfairly put in prison(complete
with legal aide who falls in love with one of them) Yet you also see the emotional toll it puts on the actual executioners and other people. Really interesting work.