Dehumanizing Nature of False Accusations of Anti-Semitism

[seemslikeadream]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k, particularly in the light of everthing else thats been shown to be going on in world lately. But of course, theres absolutely no law against that now, is there?

Not unless one is trying they're damnedest to slime me no matter what they have to do to prove a very slight point ...one more thing to consider.... a very tiny tiny tiny amount of those 60k posts were even about Israel or the Jewish people....it's not like I have been a one note poster over my 10 year internet life

one has to wonder why go through all that time and trouble?.....have a feeling my net life is being....as I type....gone over with a fine tooth comb

no worries I know who I am ..I may not remember each and every one of those posts but I do know what they were not

[slimmouse]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k, particularly in the light of everthing else thats been shown to be going on in world lately. But of course, theres absolutely no law against that now, is there?

Not unless one is trying they're damnedest to slime me no matter what they have to do to prove a very slight point ...one more thing to consider.... a very tiny tiny tiny amount of those 60k posts were even about Israel or the Jewish people....it's not like I have been a one note poster over my 10 year internet life

one has to wonder why go through all that time and trouble?.....have a feeling my net life is being....as I type....gone over with a fine tooth comb

no worries I know who I am ..I may not remember each and every one of those posts but I do know what they were not

My point was of a slightly different nature, in the light of all the NSA stuff, but of course you're right.

Mods?

[solace]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

[seemslikeadream]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

3 posts in 60k does NOT prove anything ...quit being so dishonest and appalling...it only means I forgot 3 posts out of 60 THOUSAND...I bet you don't remember most of your 100 but that wouldn't be that difficult...you OWN me an apology for your disgusting accusation

[slimmouse]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

From which you have concluded?

How about me?

Oh and on edit, I havent actually accused anyone of anythiing have I? Or do we suddenly need lawyers present to represent their clients point of view ?(for the usual small fee of course)

[seemslikeadream]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

Just because I didn't have the time to go through 60 THOUSAND POSTS like you did does not make me dishonest....only that you have way more time on your hands than I do...to smear me...Why do you feel the need to smear me so much solace what have I ever done to you for you to hate me so much...to try and ruin my reputation here?

[seemslikeadream]

oh I see some one had to delete a post ...what could that have been solace? I just caught a glimpse of it and don't remember exactly what you had to say...something about a fine tooth comb was it?


You my friend are the dishonest one around here ....really disgusting ....60 THOUSAND POSTS solace.....get back to me when you've posted half of that so we can tell WHO you really are and try to remember them all

[Searcher08]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

"Those posts were not directed at any alledged anti-Semitism."
Next thing... you will be selling us shares in London Bridge.

Disingenuous, natch.

[seemslikeadream]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

"Those posts were not directed at any alledged anti-Semitism."
Next thing... you will be selling us shares in London Bridge.

Disingenuous, natch.

yeah trying to slam me about anti-semitism by catching me posting ONE link to a guy I posted 7 FRICKIN YEARS ago and I'm supposed to remember that?

if it weren't so incredibly ignorant I would be really pissed

[seemslikeadream]

I did find it interesting that to cite examples of Slads, antisemitism someone had managed to find 3 posts out of 60k,

Don't you or her ever fucking really read anything? Those posts were not directed at any alleged anti-semitism but as proof that she HAD indeed posted stuff by the despicable Shamir after she specifically said she didn't know who he was. Stop the dishonest accusations please.

From which you have concluded?

How about me?

Oh and on edit, I havent actually accused anyone of anythiing have I? Or do we suddenly need lawyers present to represent their clients point of view ?(for the usual small fee of course)

if I didn't have such a great sense of humor I'd be lawyering about now ...if it wasn't such an outrageously ignorant accusation

[seemslikeadream]

back to the topic of the OP ...if solace doesn't mind but thanks so much for proving the op of this thread...Dehumanizing Nature of False Accusations Of Anti-Semitism....boy oh boy you need to read an OP before opening your little smart mouth







more to follow

[American Dream]

A common critique of the book is that while it's real good at talking about uses of false charges of anti-Semitism as a political weapon, some of the authors are not good at acknowledging that real anti-Semitism does exist and is important.

[Searcher08]

So are there objective standards which put Atzmon and Icke on the good side and yet relegate Shamir, Carto, Hoffman and Springmeier to the bad end of things?

Because if so, I think we'd all benefit from hearing about those principles...

Look at the language - you are saying
I put Atzmon and Icke on the good side and
'relegate' the Stormfronter to the bad end of things.

This is putting *your* value judgement onto my distinctions.
I assert I am doing nothing of the sort - i am creating more distinctions than 'good' or 'bad' and saying just try looking at those as structures for how this conflict exists.

Surely making an appeal to 'objective standards' implies the same measurable criteria as software bug per thousand line of code or rejects per batches of cloth. To me, this is mistaking descriptions for physical realities - a systemic description (like these five classes) is still just my perception, my model, a way of thinking - I put it forward as a means of understanding the conflict there is here.

Let me be really clear - the work in showing up the Stormfronters is not something I minimise. I very carefully used the work 'Class' , rather than 'Level' as I do NOT consider the model hierarchical. I have mates in Greece, know about the shits of the Golden Dawn, I am aware that my model is NOT generalised across time and place.
Certainly I am also aware for example of people like Zundel deliberately using paraculture as a cover for race hate (admitting to writing books about UBoats under the antartic ice as a recuiting tool).

The purpose of a system is what it does, so when I look at the 'Icke system' or the 'Atzmon system' I look at what it does, because large numbers of people are involved around them. I see them as 'large scale information providers'
You put them and Ron Paul and Alex Jones and the Zeitgeist movement (and now Thrive??) in the Class 5 Anti-semites bubble, I dont.

I regard Phil Weiss as a pretty good guy - so seeing that there are similar intense multi-faceted debates across a wide range of people from USA, EU, Israel around Atzmon to me is worthwhile. I regard Icke and Jones as populists that often seem to have the effect of educating / sharing / communicating important information that others then run with - eg Icke re Savile; Jones re Aaron Russo
I would also include in this people like Joe Rogan, who bring information about entheogens out to so many people. Icke has had multiple experiences of ayahuasca and his descriptions of them and their impact was very similar to Graham Hancocks, full of respect and humility - and these experiences are absolutely informing what they are doing as a life path.

[American Dream]

So are there objective standards which put Atzmon and Icke on the good side and yet relegate Shamir, Carto, Hoffman and Springmeier to the bad end of things?

Because if so, I think we'd all benefit from hearing about those principles...

Look at the language - you are saying
I put Atzmon and Icke on the good side and
'relegate' the Stormfronter to the bad end of things.

This is putting *your* value judgement onto my distinctions.
I assert I am doing nothing of the sort - i am creating more distinctions than 'good' or 'bad' and saying just try looking at those as structures for how this conflict exists.

Surely making an appeal to 'objective standards' implies the same measurable criteria as software bug per thousand line of code or rejects per batches of cloth. To me, this is mistaking descriptions for physical realities - a systemic description (like these five classes) is still just my perception, my model, a way of thinking - I put it forward as a means of understanding the conflict there is here.

Let me be really clear - the work in showing up the Stormfronters is not something I minimise. I very carefully used the work 'Class' , rather than 'Level' as I do NOT consider the model hierarchical. I have mates in Greece, know about the shits of the Golden Dawn, I am aware that my model is NOT generalised across time and place.
Certainly I am also aware for example of people like Zundel deliberately using paraculture as a cover for race hate (admitting to writing books about UBoats under the antartic ice as a recuiting tool).

The purpose of a system is what it does, so when I look at the 'Icke system' or the 'Atzmon system' I look at what it does, because large numbers of people are involved around them. I see them as 'large scale information providers'
You put them and Ron Paul and Alex Jones and the Zeitgeist movement (and now Thrive??) in the Class 5 Anti-semites bubble, I dont.

I regard Phil Weiss as a pretty good guy - so seeing that there are similar intense multi-faceted debates across a wide range of people from USA, EU, Israel around Atzmon to me is worthwhile. I regard Icke and Jones as populists that often seem to have the effect of educating / sharing / communicating important information that others then run with - eg Icke re Savile; Jones re Aaron Russo
I would also include in this people like Joe Rogan, who bring information about entheogens out to so many people. Icke has had multiple experiences of ayahuasca and his descriptions of them and their impact was very similar to Graham Hancocks, full of respect and humility - and these experiences are absolutely informing what they are doing as a life path.

I'd still like to hear some objective criteria for differentiating Icke and Atzmon from the others because they seem to share a lot of similarly fucked-up ideas to me...

[solace]

A common critique of the book is that while it's real good at talking about uses of false charges of anti-Semitism as a political weapon, some of the authors are not good at acknowledging that real anti-Semitism does exist and is important.

Heres a couple of Neumann's quotes from that book:

"We should almost never take antisemitism seriously, and maybe we should have some fun with it. I think it is particularly unimportant to the Israel-Palestine conflict, except perhaps as a diversion from the real issues."

"Undoubtedly there is genuine antisemitism in the Arab world: the distribution of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the myths about stealing the blood of gentile babies. This is utterly inexcusable. So was your failure to answer Aunt Bee's last letter.'

What a gem he is.

edited to add: Here's another real gem from Nuemann. No wonder he's considered a good source.

"If an effective strategy means that some truths about the Jews don't come to light, I don't care. If an effective strategy [of helping the Palestinians] means encouraging reasonable anti-Semitism, or reasonable hostility to Jews, I also don't care. If it means encouraging vicious, racist anti-Semitism, or the destruction of the state of Israel, I still don't care."

http://www.jewishtoronto.com/page.aspx?id=45452