Do we need a George Orwell app?

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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:19 pm

Ah now, I know I complained about this several times, and muchmuchmuch longer than four hours ago.

- But I do beg your pardon, I'm abusing new-style board etiquette, for I've just posted something that actually bore some relation to what you had just posted, have you seen this?

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Postby Perelandra » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:35 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:54 pm wrote:I really think that sheer volume is becoming a disruptive issue and I wanted to test the waters here...do we need to conversate about new moderation to keep the sheer volume down? Or are there just too many beautiful people here and I am a fool to complain about the embarrassment of riches here?
I remember this, from which followed five pages of constructive ideas. Maybe it should be resurrected.

I think if people want to continually post up haphazard reams of print, they should have the decency to get their own blog/forum instead of junking up someone else's.

Failing that, maybe we could have an ignore thread function.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Perelandra wrote:I think if people want to continually post up haphazard reams of print, they should have the decency to get their own blog/forum instead of junking up someone else's.


Exactly. Thank you.

btw: he's out there. Lurkin'. An' snickerin'. I seen him. He's just itchin' to take a [data-]dump here.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:01 pm

Perelandra » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:35 pm wrote:
Wombaticus Rex » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:54 pm wrote:I really think that sheer volume is becoming a disruptive issue and I wanted to test the waters here...do we need to conversate about new moderation to keep the sheer volume down? Or are there just too many beautiful people here and I am a fool to complain about the embarrassment of riches here?
I remember this, from which followed five pages of constructive ideas. Maybe it should be resurrected.

I think if people want to continually post up haphazard reams of print, they should have the decency to get their own blog/forum instead of junking up someone else's.

Failing that, maybe we could have an ignore thread function.



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Postby Perelandra » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:29 pm

^Of course not.

Let me amend my statement. This forum is entitled General Discussion, for consideration of a subject by a group. If some prefer to compile a thread without discussion which might contain any number of subjects, there are places to do so, primarily the Data Dump and I suppose the member blogs provided some time ago. That is my perhaps overly detail-oriented opinion, with which some may disagree.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby Nordic » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:35 pm

I just ignore these threads because the titles of them don't interest me. I don't even know what they're about till now, since Mac stirred the pot.

The same thing can be said of American Dream fwiw. I don't really care either way, these threads just seem like floating stickies.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby Project Willow » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:17 pm

If y'all might remember, we approached Fruh about his previous posting style, and he made changes in response. He used to post many single threads, with his creative titles, and just a link to the content. He responded to our earlier requests, he now includes article content, and combines his posts to larger threads. So some of what you're complaining about now is the result of earlier complaints. If I were he, I'd be wondering why y'all can't make up your minds.

Posting style is not a ban-able offense, and persuasion usually works better than insult. Hint: I'm fairly sure Fruh actually wants people to read what he's posting, so if you frame it that way, you might have an impact.

To Fruh, (with apologies for just having talked about you in the third person), GD really is for discussion, usually centered on one event or pressing issue. I am no one to stifle creativity, but also, thread titles that directly describe content are very, very helpful for folks who are new or trying to navigate to specific content. Perhaps you could assess, out of the volume of material you wish to share, which articles are important or timely enough to be offered for General Discussion versus which should be added for background or in-depth examination, and the latter posted in the Data Dump.

Hope that helps.
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Postby Perelandra » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:11 pm

Thank you for your diplomacy, PW. :thumbsup
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby Elihu » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:18 pm

"If the Truth is not helpful to thee, how can thou scorn the man on the cross?" Ephesians IV 33:3


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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby Elihu » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:20 pm

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby Elihu » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:31 pm

The creation of the National Health Service in Great Britain is one shining example.


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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby fruhmenschen » Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:20 pm

see link to add up your tax dime and # of victims
http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/11/15/ns ... drug-ring/


NSA links to St Petersburg FL Drug Ring
November 15, 2013 by Daniel Hopsicker


Skyway Global LLC, the St. Petersburg, FL company that owned the DC-9 airline busted in Mexico carrying 5.5 tons of cocaine, made its headquarters in a 79,000 sq ft building owned by Verint Systems (NASDAQ: VRNT), a foreign tele-communications company with a contract to wiretap the U.S. for the NSA through the communication lines of Verizon, which handles almost half of all landline and cell phone calls in the U.S. sky

Verint’s founder and CEO, Jacob “Kobi” Alexander, is a former Israeli intelligence officer who is today a fugitive from justice living in Namibia, where he has for several years been fighting extradition to the U.S.

On Verint’s Board of Directors is Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, former director of the NSA, which has led to speculation that the company today is a joint NSA-Mossad operation.img_bk_Bamford_Shadow_Factory

James Bamford’s 2008 expose of the NSA, “The Shadow Factory, The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America,” unearthed disturbing facts about how America’s two major telecom companies, AT & T and Verizon, had outsourced the bugging of their entire networks to what Bamford called “two mysterious companies with very troubling foreign connections.”

Verint is one of those two “mysterious companies.”
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In “The NSA, Drug Trafficking, & the Crash of Cocaine2,” I reported that I first learned of that Agency’s involvement in drug trafficking in 2000, more than a decade before the super-secret NSA became a household name. The source for that story, Russ Eakin, had been the NSA’s “man on the ground” in Bolivia during the Cocaine Coup in the early 1980’s.

The discovery of previously-undisclosed ties between SkyWay and the NSA came in a review of documents after two men implicated in the drug trafficking network were recently convicted.

Recently Douglas McClain Jr, was sentenced to 14 years for money laundering in Federal Court in San Diego. McClain was the president of Argyll Equities, the dodgy private bank in Texas which purchased the drug-running DC-9 for SkyWay.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby fruhmenschen » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:53 am

* DXer: The USAMRIID today formally refused to disclose where the mice were kept in the Bacteriology Suite B3 pursuant to this passive mouse experiment that Bruce Ivins worked on in September 2001 on the grounds that “the public interest consideration in the disclosure of such information does not outweigh preventing the disclosure of such information.”

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DXer reasons that if USAMRIID had not withheld and destroyed the documents that would have permitted Dr. Ivins to reconstruct his time in September and October 2001, perhaps his suicide could have been avoided. USAMRIID wrongly told him his emails could not be retrieved. The person forgot to provide the documents relating to activity in his suite until after the grand jury. Then key Lab Notebooks were withheld from him, courtesy of the FBI. Key notebooks from 2001 have still not been produced.
Years later, USAMRIID now has chosen to block the path that might allow Dr. Ivins’ name to be cleared and his alibi tested. Given that the public interest clearly outweighs any countervailing interest in the identification of one animal room in the B3 suite (as it existed in 2001) versus another, USAMRIID will owe attorneys fees. The people deciding the issue appear not to understand Amerithrax or the public interest in knowing why Dr. Ivins was in the lab late onSeptember 28, 29, 30, 2001. It was a failure to understand such operational security issues that led to the decades-long mess in the first place.
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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby fruhmenschen » Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:11 pm

If FBI agents change link google the title

My friend Ed Tatro sent this to me today

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Re: Do we need a George Orwell app?

Postby fruhmenschen » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:03 am

FBI informant linked to the creation of 911
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9/11 Link To Saudi Arabia Is Topic Of 28 Redacted Pages In Government Report; Congressmen Push For Release
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on December 09 2013 2:09 PM


Since terrorists attacked the United States on Sept. 11, 2001, victims’ loved ones, injured survivors, and members of the media have all tried without much success to discover the true nature of the relationship between the 19 hijackers – 15 of them Saudi nationals – and the Saudi Arabian government. Many news organizations reported that some of the terrorists were linked to the Saudi royals and that they even may have received financial support from them as well as from several mysterious, moneyed Saudi men living in San Diego.


Saudi Arabia has repeatedly denied any connection, and neither President George W. Bush nor President Obama has been forthcoming on this issue.

But earlier this year, Reps. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., were given access to the 28 redacted pages of the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry (JICI) of 9/11 issued in late 2002, which have been thought to hold some answers about the Saudi connection to the attack.

"I was absolutely shocked by what I read," Jones told International Business Times. "What was so surprising was that those whom we thought we could trust really disappointed me. I cannot go into it any more than that. I had to sign an oath that what I read had to remain confidential. But the information I read disappointed me greatly."
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The public may soon also get to see these secret documents. Last week, Jones and Lynch introduced a resolution that urges President Obama to declassify the 28 pages, which were originally classified by President George W. Bush. It has never been fully explained why the pages were blacked out, but President Bush stated in 2003 that releasing the pages would violate national security.

While neither Jones nor Lynch would say just what is in the document, some of the information has leaked out over the years. A multitude of sources tell IBTimes, and numerous press reports over the years in Newsweek, the New York Times, CBS News and other media confirm, that the 28 pages in fact clearly portray that the Saudi government had at the very least an indirect role in supporting the terrorists responsible for the 9/11 attack. In addition, these classified pages clarify somewhat the links between the hijackers and at least one Saudi government worker living in San Diego.

Former Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., who chaired the Joint Inquiry in 2002 and has been beating the drum for more disclosure about 9/11 since then, has never understood why the 28 pages were redacted. Graham told IBTimes that based on his involvement in the investigation and on the now-classified information in the document that his committee produced, he is convinced that “the Saudi government without question was supporting the hijackers who lived in San Diego…. You can't have 19 people living in the United States for, in some cases, almost two years, taking flight lessons and other preparations, without someone paying for it. But I think it goes much broader than that. The agencies from CIA and FBI have suppressed that information so American people don't have the facts."

Jones insists that releasing the 28 secret pages would not violate national security.

“It does not deal with national security per se; it is more about relationships,” he said. “The information is critical to our foreign policy moving forward and should thus be available to the American people. If the 9/11 hijackers had outside help – particularly from one or more foreign governments – the press and the public have a right to know what our government has or has not done to bring justice to the perpetrators."

It took Jones six weeks and several letters to the House Intelligence Committee before the classified pages from the 9/11 report were made available to him. Jones was so stunned by what he saw that he approached Rep. Lynch, asking him to look at the 28 pages as well. He knew that Lynch would be astonished by the contents of the documents and perhaps would join in a bipartisan effort to declassify the papers.

"He came back to me about a week ago and told me that he, too, was very shocked by what he read,” Jones said. “I told him we need to join together and put in a resolution and get more members on both sides of the aisle involved and demand that the White House release this information to the public. The American people have a right to know this information."

A decade ago, 46 senators, led by Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., demanded in a letter to President Bush that he declassify the 28 pages.

The letter read, in part, "It has been widely reported in the press that the foreign sources referred to in this portion of the Joint Inquiry analysis reside primarily in Saudi Arabia. As a result, the decision to classify this information sends the wrong message to the American people about our nation's antiterror effort and makes it seem as if there will be no penalty for foreign abettors of the hijackers. Protecting the Saudi regime by eliminating any public penalty for the support given to terrorists from within its borders would be a mistake.... We respectfully urge you to declassify the 28-page section that deals with foreign sources of support for the 9/11 hijackers."

All of the senators who signed that letter but one, Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), were Democrats.

Lynch, who won the Democratic primary for his congressional seat on that fateful day of Sept. 11, 2001, told IBTimes that he and Jones are in the process of writing a “Dear Colleague” letter calling on all House members to read the 28 pages and join their effort.

"Once a member reads the 28 pages, I think whether they are Democrat or Republican they will reach the same conclusion that Walter and I reached, which is that Americans have the right to know this information," Lynch said. “These documents speak for themselves. We have a situation where an extensive investigation was conducted, but then the Bush [administration] decided for whatever purposes to excise 28 pages from the report. I'm not passing judgment. That was a different time. Maybe there were legitimate reasons to keep this classified. But that time has long passed.”

Most of the allegations of links between the Saudi government and the 9/11 hijackers revolve around two enigmatic Saudi men who lived in San Diego: Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan, both of whom have long since left the United States.

In early 2000, al-Bayoumi, who had previously worked for the Saudi government in civil aviation (a part of the Saudi defense department), invited two of the hijackers, Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, to San Diego from Los Angeles. He told authorities he met the two men by chance when he sat next to them at a restaurant.

Newsweek reported in 2002 that al-Bayoumi’s invitation was extended on the same day that he visited the Saudi Consulate in Los Angeles for a private meeting.

Al-Bayoumi arranged for the two future hijackers to live in an apartment and paid $1,500 to cover their first two months of rent. Al-Bayoumi was briefly interviewed in Britain but was never brought back to the United States for questioning.

As for Basnan, Newsweek reported that he received monthly checks for several years totaling as much as $73,000 from the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, and his wife, Princess Haifa Faisal. Although the checks were sent to pay for thyroid surgery for Basnan’s wife, Majeda Dweikat, Dweikat signed many of the checks over to al-Bayoumi’s wife, Manal Bajadr. This money allegedly made its way into the hands of hijackers, according to the 9/11 report.

Despite all this, Basnan was ultimately allowed to return to Saudi Arabia, and Dweikat was deported to Jordan.

Sources and numerous press reports also suggest that the 28 pages include more information about Abdussattar Shaikh, an FBI asset in San Diego who Newsweek reported was friends with al-Bayoumi and invited two of the San Diego-based hijackers to live in his house.

Shaikh was not allowed by the FBI or the Bush administration to testify before the 9/11 Commission or the JICI.

Graham notes that there was a significant 9/11 investigation in Sarasota, Fla., which also suggests a connection between the hijackers and the Saudi government that most Americans don’t know about.
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