2014 Malaysian Planes Lost: Pacific and Ukraine

[8bitagent]

Well, some of the 9/11 hijackers credit cards were still mysteriously being used two weeks after the plane explosions. But honestly, I wonder if it's possible, perhaps that the
plane was secretly landed? Who knows what sort of deep state/black market hijinx go on in that part of the world. Heck I know there's political assassinations on every level in the Philippines
all the time. However, there is no random or demand. So it's definitely not a 1970's styled political hijacking, least not in the classical sense

Would be weird if this is never solved. Has a jumbo passenger plane ever disappeared into the ocean with no trace ever to surface?

[chump]

RE: Millenium (and LOST) connections ...


... and from Loren ...

Sunday, March 09, 2014
Terrorism, Aliens, Vile Vortices: The Mysteries of Missing Flight 370
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2014/ ... t-370.html

"A Boeing 777 goes missing on March 7th. 7777. 370-03-07. Is someone playing a numbers twilight game?"

FWIW:

Fuggin flight 370 3 7 7777

EMP weapon used?
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/03 ... m-failure/

Posted on March 11, 2014 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

The latest reports on the investigation into the mysterious disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 are now centering on that Malaysian Air Force data that I mentioned in an earlier update that showed the flight turning abruptly back towards Malaysia and remaining in the air for approximately one hour until it disappeared for the last time.

In an even earlier report, I wrote about the possibility of an EMP (electromagnetic pulse) weapon having been used to take out the plane. With the lack of transponder data and any radio communications with the ground, it seemed at the time that the theory may indeed have had some credibility… especially when you consider the fact that various warmongers held a special conference at the CPAC convention to discuss Iranian EMP terrorism just two days before the plane vanished.

Some might conclude that this new revelation would negate my original theory but that would be an incorrect conclusion.

Turns out, this new info might prove me right.

According to experts on CNN, the plane probably suffered some kind of “massive electronic failure” on-board which took out most of their electronic systems including radio, transponders and navigation.

The expert who I just saw live on CNN, said that all of these planes have a shielded back-up energy source, which is designed to provide emergency power for the plane for just such an occasion.

That expert says the back-up source would have lasted “about an hour”

You see, in such an event, the pilots, lacking navigational abilities, would have made the best guess possible to turn the plane and return to land, which explains the flight path.

They would have also dropped their altitude considerably because the oxygen system in the plane would require power.

Had it been an EMp attack as opposed to some other electrical system failure, the pilots would not have been able to reset the radio on the plane no matter how much back-up energy they decided to sacrifice in order to get it up and running. An EMP burst would have fried the radio and transponder and probably most of the phones on the plane. If this assumption is correct, they would have been flying entirely by sight with no way to communicate with anyone outside the aircraft.

Given that scenario, it is unlikely they would have attempted to make it back to a busy airport as they would almost certainly collide with another plane on approach.

Perhaps the pilots attempted a water landing like the one we saw off that beach a couple years ago.

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comments:

arf, on March 11, 2014 at 2:41 pm said:

You maybe right…and heres how it works:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/f ... s_03112014

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/f ... s_03112014

Over a dozen nations have now mobilized search teams for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. The mysterious disappearance has left investigators all over the world wondering what could have happened. This is a huge investigation, as evidenced by the fact that China has re-tasked ten satellites to search for the wreckage, suggesting that the People’s Republic really wants to get to the bottom of what happened here.

There is no debris to be found. The black box, which is supposed to be indestructible in a large explosion and should broadcast a homing signal for up to 30 days, has gone dark. Moreover, INTERPOL is looking into several passengers who boarded the plane using false passports, and whose tickets were reportedly purchased by an unknown Iranian benefactor.

Several theories have emerged as to what could have caused the flight to “vanish” out of thin air. None of them are, as of yet, conclusive.

We can probably rule out a mid-air explosion, because something like that would likely have left instruments operational for long enough that readings would have been transmitted back to flight controllers. Likewise, there would be a fairly wide debris field had such an explosion occurred at such a high altitude.

Terrorism has not been ruled out, but traditional methods, including a hi-jacking, seem unlikely (remember those reinforced cockpit doors?).

It is certainly possible that search teams are just looking in the wrong place and the plane could be found in coming hours or days.

However, as noted by Mike Adams, the idea of an advanced military weapon of some sort is certainly within the realm of possibility. We know our Defense Department, as well as the militaries of other countries, are always hard at work developing new war-making technologies.

One such advanced weapons system has come to public light in recent years and as recently as two days prior to the disappearance of flight 370 Senator Ted Cruz mentioned it in a followup to his CPAC speech:

“When Iran describes Israel as the Little Satan, and America as the Great Satan, we have every interest to make sure they don’t acquire the weaponry to kill millions of Americans.” Cruz imagined a nightmare scenario in which Iran detonated a bomb over “Tel Aviv or New York or Los Angeles.” Detonated here, the effects of an EMP attack could kill “tens of millions of Americans.”

We know for a fact that China, North Korea, Russia and the United States have developed what are dubbed Super-EMP Weapons. These types of weapons require nuclear fuel and must be detonated over or near the target area. The secondary effect of this nuclear detonation is an electro-magnetic pulse. Deployed properly, for example 200 miles over the state of Kansas, such a weapon could literally wipe out every electronic system from coast to coast.

It is this possibility that prompted investigators to contact the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organisation yesterday, so they understand that this could well be the type of weapons used.

Experts at Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty have been asked to see if they detected an explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.

Lassina Zerbo, executive director of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organisation (CTBTO) told a news conference the organisation used “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions. (source)

More than likely, the infrasound tests won’t yield any result. For starters, it would be quite difficult to sneak a suit-case nuclear weapon onto an airplane. Second, a space or air explosion would have quickly been detected by military monitoring systems operated by the U.S., China and Russia.

The other possibility is one that is often not discussed, yet has emerged as a highly effective military system in recent years. This involves the use of a non-nuclear electro magentic pulse weapon.

Weapons designers specializing in high-energy physics can now create electromagnetic pulses without going into outer space. One approach involves harnessing the force of a conventional explosion. Others are simply just modifications of radar, which bounces pulses of energy off aircraft in flight, vehicles on the ground, and other objects.

Crank up the power and you have an EMP weapon, ready to point at the computers of your favorite enemy.This knowledge has set off a new arms race. Whether fitted into cruise missiles or parked at the side of the road in a van, non-nuclear EMP weapons have the potential to devastate the electronic systems of areas as large as a city or as small as a selected building, all without being seen, heard, or felt by a single soul.

It is a dream come true for any and all terrorists.

Sound far-fetched? It did not in 1993 to the owners of automobiles parked about 300 meters from a U.S. Defense Contractor’s EMP generator test site at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Their alternators and electronic engine controls were accidentally fried by a pulse during classified field trials.

Source: Military Intelligence Professional Bulletin

The following provides an explanation for how these weapons work. What we know about the Flight 370 disaster suggests that if this was an act of terrorism it could have been executed using a NNEMP:

NNEMP generators can be carried as a payload of bombs, cruise missiles (such as the CHAMP missile) and drones, with diminished mechanical, thermal and ionizing radiation effects, but without the political consequences of deploying nuclear weapons.

…

The electromagnetic pulse from NNEMP weapons must come from within the weapon, while nuclear weapons generate EMP as a secondary effect. These facts limit the range of NNEMP weapons, but allow finer target discrimination. The effect of small e-bombs has proven to be sufficient for certain terrorist or military operations. Examples of such operations include the destruction of electronic control systems critical to the operation of many ground vehicles and aircraft.

We know for a fact that these e-bombs have been built and tested by our own military. Unlike nuclear-based EMP weapons, these devices can be small and compact versions can actually be created with basic Do-It-Yourself kits. They can be deployed on drones, planes and missiles. They can be specifically targeted at cities, buildings or even vehicles. Thus, it is possible that such a device was used to take down Flight 370.

For the skeptics out there, watch the following video of a do-it-yourself homemade e-bomb being used to short-circuit a cell phone:

In this video, another homemade e-bomb is used to disable various electronics. Note that the rudimentary device looks to have an effective range of roughly 10 – 15 yards:

Now consider what a rogue terror organization or black ops team could do with a multi-million dollar budget.

Harping back to the Iranian connection, is it possible that a small capacity non-nuclear EMP weapon was smuggled on board the airplane, perhaps in common electronic devices, and triggered mid-flight?

That an unknown man named “Ali” purchased tickets for his friends at the last minute to the cheapest destination available, is highly suspect and is indicative of terrorism. An incident involving a man with a similar profile occurred at Amsterdam airport when the Christmas underwear bomber was allowed onto the plane – without a passport.

We’re not necessarily suggesting Iran is behind this, but it sure is an easy story to sell.

Insofar as the effects themselves, a non-nuclear EMP could well explain how a plane, from one second to the next, simply vanishes without a trace.

There would be no large debris field because the plane would have fallen right out of the sky, so instead of a search area of square miles, we’d be looking at mere yards, a difficult find in a huge ocean.
The homing device on the black box, which as far as we can tell is not shielded against an EMP blast, would, just as the planes instrumentation and communications equipment, short circuit and become inoperable.
No explosions or missile signature would have been detected by monitoring systems

While this theory is far from conclusive, it makes as much sense as any being proposed.

If this was the kind of weapon used, then it could have been a “dry run” for something much bigger, like a coordinated attack involving many more planes in the future.

Or, as highlighted by American Everyman, we can just go with the official story per the mainstream media:

So, right on cue, in the absence of a logical thesis, the mainstream media along with “high ranking unnamed sources” are starting to float ridiculousness as the solution.

Officials investigating the disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jetliner with 239 people on board suspect it may have disintegrated in mid-flight, a senior source said on Sunday, as Vietnam reported a possible sighting of wreckage from the plane. Reuters

Yes, there you have it, it may have just vaporized itself in mid-air for no apparent reason.

Vaporized? Gone? Nothing remained of this 600,000 pound jumbo jet?

The notion that an e-bomb was responsible is much more likely than vaporization.

And that is a much more terrifying thought to consider.

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comments:

TMike says:
Comment ID: 2963622
March 11, 2014 at 2:22 pm

Hi all, yes Transpondersignal Lost very suddenly.
All I can see on Flightradar25.com was Strange Jumps in High and a Crossing smaler Airplane. Then Lost.
But Why they all search the Airplane in a in total Different Area, I Think , there is something to Hide !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZtz-HVy6c
http://www.flightradar24.com/13.35,104.51/5
Sincerly TTMike
Be Warned and be Prepared – Preppertable Berlin Germany
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Navy Vet says:
Comment ID: 2963743
March 11, 2014 at 4:34 pm

Mac,

How about the plane was commandeered from inside via compromising the on-board network? Apparently, Boeing, in its wisdom, has modified the internal computer network of 777′s, such that there is now no separation of the plane’s internal network between the flight crew and the passengers, i.e. a passenger, savvy enough with a lap top, could arrest control of the plane from the flight crew.

Courtesy Matt Drudge: https://www.federalregister.gov/article ... el-777-200–300-and–300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system

I also read a report last week somewhere, can’t find the article at the moment, about cracks being found in the wing roots of the composite material where the wing joins the fuselage.

Neither of these scenarios explains the lack of a transponder ping from the flight data controller, however. The non-nuclear EMP is looking pretty good.
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European American says:
Comment ID: 2963606
March 11, 2014 at 2:09 pm

Mike Adamsn take on flight 370, from over at Natural News.

There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight’s sudden and complete disappearance has even the world’s top air safety authorities baffled. “Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take,” reports the Wall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

“For now, it seems simply inexplicable,” said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn’t telling you the whole story, either. So I’ve assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the ‘net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to “smithereens” — which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed — three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They’ve seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called “passive” radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they’ve somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.
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TX Granny says:
Comment ID: 2963611
March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm

Watched the tracking video on another site, where this flight leaves Malaysia and then just disappears from the tracker. One thing I noticed is that there were several planes in the same vicinity (so to speak)- either approaching or departing on the east side of Malaysia. There were several times that those other planes disappeared from the tracker and their icon was changed to a question mark, then they reappeared a little farther on their flight pattern.

If there was indeed something like a NNEMP used, it could have had enough power to disrupt the planes’ signals but not enough to cause complete cessation of operation. I watched that video several times, and none of the planes over Malaysia or to the west of Malaysia showed the same loss of signal. I found that suspect.

[82_28]

Wouldn't an EMP weapon knock out a shit ton of shit in the process?

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

Wouldn't an EMP weapon knock out a shit ton of shit in the process?

Not a small localized one, perhaps smuggled on to the plane.

[chump]

Shit! I don't know

The theory is that it'd turn it to dust, or more likely, fry the electronics? Hijacked? I'm pretty sure there was a flight 370, Corbett thinks it is to deflect attention away from from other parts of the world, but considering the numerology... It feels like it was maybe planned for awhile. .

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

All the numerology angle tells us is that the people who planned this believe in numerology.

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content ... nality.pdf

^The entire manifest for those who are interested.

[divideandconquer]

I don't think we'll ever know the truth. As with all "crime" scenes, the more time that goes by/the more players involved, the more likely that some power that be is manipulating/tainting/planting/destroying evidence/circumstances...even radar readings can be manipulated ...

Not that it means anything, but interestingly enough, there was a critical meeting prior to 9/11 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia .http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... new/could/

The story of this intelligence failure begins with a 1999 CIA breakthrough -- the interception of communications from an Al Qaeda logistics center in Yemen about a meeting of operatives that would take place in January 2000 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The names of two of the participants were mentioned: Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi.

The CIA tracked Almidhar on his way to Malaysia. An agent told FRONTLINE that during a passport check at a stopover, the CIA even got access to his Saudi Arabian passport and learned Almidhar had been issued a multiple-entry visa to the U.S.

Once in Kuala Lumpur, the Al Qaeda operatives were photographed -- at the CIA's request -- by Malaysian authorities at a series of meetings. Reportedly, no sound recordings were made, but intelligence sources now believe the meetings were held to plan future Al Qaeda attacks. Among the men captured in the surveillance photos were:

Almidhar and Alhazmi (later hijackers of American Flight 77 which flew into the Pentagon on Sept. 11);
Ramzi bin al-Shibh (a Sept. 11 co-conspirator and Mohamed Atta's roommate. It would not be until after Sept. 11 that bin al-Shibh would be identified in the Malaysia surveillance photos);
Tawfiq bin-Atash -- AKA "Khallad" (a suspected intermediary between bin Laden and plotters of the October 2000 USS Cole attack).

The CIA maintains that it did notify the FBI by e-mail of the Malaysia meetings soon after they occurred -- and that it did mention Almidhar had a U.S. visa. The FBI, however, states they have no record of this notification.

The CIA admits that it did not inform the bureau that after the Malaysia meetings ended, it tracked Almidhar and Alhazmi to Los Angeles. The CIA further admits that it failed to warn the INS or the State Department, and as a result, the men's names were not added to a terrorist watch list.

Not one of the men who attended the Malaysia meetings was, at the time, known to have been involved in any crime against the United States, so it is perhaps understandable that the CIA missed the full significance of the meetings. This changed, however, in October 2000, when the USS Cole was attacked in Yemen and 17 sailors were killed. The FBI's subsequent investigation into the Cole attack would uncover evidence that would make the CIA's continued withholding of information incomprehensible.

[elfismiles]

Malaysia Air Force chief denies saying lost plane tracked to west
AP, Reuters

Mar 12, 2014

KUALA LUMPUR – Malaysia’s air force chief has denied saying military radar tracked a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner over the Strait of Malacca, adding to the mystery surrounding the fate of flight MH370, which vanished Saturday with 239 people aboard.

A massive air and sea search now in its fifth day has failed to find any trace of the Boeing 777, and the last 24 hours have seen conflicting statements and reports over what may have happened after it lost contact with air traffic controllers.

Malaysia’s Berita Harian newspaper on Tuesday quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the plane was last detected by military radar at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca at 2.40 a.m. Saturday, hundreds of kilometers off course.

“I wish to state that I did not make any such statements,” Rodzali said in a statement Wednesday. The air force chief said he had merely repeated that military radar tracking suggested the plane might have turned back.

A senior military officer who had been briefed on the investigation told Reuters on Tuesday that the aircraft had made a detour to the west after communications with civilian authorities ended.

“It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait,” the officer said.

Malaysian authorities have said previously that flight MH370 disappeared around 1:30 a.m., roughly midway between Malaysia’s east coast town of Kota Bharu and southern Vietnam, about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing.

The Strait of Malacca, one of the world’s busiest shipping channels, runs along Malaysia’s west coast, while Kota Bharu is on the northeast coast.

After the comments from the officer, a nonmilitary source familiar with the investigations said the reported detour was one of several theories and was being checked.

If the plane had made such a detour it would undermine the theory that it suffered a sudden, catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean it flew at least 500 km (350 miles) after its last contact with air traffic control.

A spokesman for the Malaysian prime minister’s office said Wednesday he had not been informed by the military of evidence showing the plane had recrossed the Malay Peninsula to reach the Malacca Strait.

“The people I checked with were not aware of that,” spokesman Tengku Sariffuddin Tengku Ahmad told Reuters.

A huge international search operation has been mostly focused on the shallow waters of the Gulf of Thailand off Malaysia’s east coast, although the Strait of Malacca has been included since Sunday.

Navy ships, military aircraft, helicopters, coast guard and civilian vessels from 10 nations have crisscrossed the seas off both coasts of Malaysia without success.

In the absence of any concrete evidence to explain the plane’s disappearance, authorities have not ruled out anything. Police have said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might shed light on the mystery, along with the possibility of a hijacking, sabotage or mechanical failure.

“Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities,” Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said at a news conference Tuesday.

An Australian TV station reported that the first officer on the missing plane, Fariq Abdul Hamid, had invited two women into the cockpit during a flight two years ago. One of the women, Jonti Roos, described the encounter on Australia’s “A Current Affair.”

Roos said she and a friend were allowed to stay in the cockpit during the entire one-hour flight on Dec. 14, 2011, from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur. She said the arrangement did not seem unusual to the plane’s crew.

“Throughout the entire flight, they were talking to us and they were actually smoking throughout the flight,” said Roos, who didn’t immediately reply to a message sent to her via Facebook. The second pilot on the 2011 flight was not identified

Malaysia Airlines said it took the allegations very seriously, which it said it was not able to confirm, adding: “We are in the midst of a crisis, and we do not want our attention to be diverted.”

Also Tuesday, Malaysian and international police authorities said two people who boarded Flight MH370 with stolen passports were Iranians who had bought tickets to Europe, where they planning to migrate. Their presence on the flight had raised speculation of a possible terrorist link.

Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said investigators had determined one was a 19-year-old Iranian, Pouria Nourmohammadi Mehrdad. “We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group,” Khalid said.

Interpol identified the second man as Seyed Mohammed Reza Delavar, a 29-year-old Iranian, and released an image of the two boarding at the same time. Interpol Secretary-General Ronald K. Noble said the two men traveled to Malaysia on their Iranian passports, then apparently switched to their stolen Austrian and Italian documents.

CIA Director John Brennan said in Washington that Malaysian authorities “are looking very carefully at what went wrong; you know, if these individuals got onto the plane with these stolen passports, why they were not aware of it.”

He also said there has been “a lot of speculation right now — some claims of responsibility that have not been, you know, confirmed or corroborated at all. We are looking at it very carefully.”

Asked if terrorism could be ruled out, Brennan replied, “No, I wouldn’t rule it out. Not at all.”

The United States has sent two navy ships, at least one of which is equipped with helicopters, and a navy P-3C Orion plane that can detect small debris in the water. It said the Malaysian government had done a “tremendous job” organizing the land and sea effort.

Vietnamese planes and ships also are a major component of the effort.

Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of Vietnamese People’s Army, said authorities on land had also been ordered to search for the plane, which could have crashed into mountains or jungle. He said military units near the border with Laos and Cambodia had been instructed to search their regions.

“So far we have found no signs . . . so we must widen our search on land,” he said.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/0 ... d-to-west/

[MacCruiskeen]

Had it been an EMp attack as opposed to some other electrical system failure, the pilots would not have been able to reset the radio on the plane no matter how much back-up energy they decided to sacrifice in order to get it up and running. An EMP burst would have fried the radio and transponder and probably most of the phones on the plane. If this assumption is correct, they would have been flying entirely by sight with no way to communicate with anyone outside the aircraft.

But at least 19 of the families say they were still getting ringtones when they called passengers' cellphones long after the plane vanished -- and this is confirmed by Malaysian Airlines officials:

the phantom phone calls and online presence set off a whole new level of hysteria for relatives who have spent the past three-days cooped-up in a Beijing hotel waiting for some concrete information on the missing plane.

Repeatedly telling Malaysian Airlines officials about the QQ accounts and ringing telephone calls, they hoped that modern technology could simply triangulate the GPS signal of the phones and locate their relatives.

However, according to Singapore's Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy has confirmed to families that his company had tried to call the cellphones of crew members and they too had also rang out.
He is reported to have told relatives that those phone numbers have been turned over to Chinese authorities.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2vlSaRPo1

Could something like a sudden massive depressurization (or some kind of gas-attack?) explain those still-functioning phones? The passengers & crew would be dead or unconscious but the phones & network would presumably remain unaffected.

I'm baffled as anyone else, of course. This is all just speculation. But if Creighton is right that an EMP burst would "fry" "probably most of the phones", then wouldn't the fact that so many of them were still functioning cast doubt on his hypothesis?

[Searcher08]

I think the biggest factoid is that nearly two dozen mobile phones were switched on, but not being answered.

Phones
If the phones were ringing, this suggests to me a range of possibilities:

a) The phones are within range of a mobile base station...
- then they should have be able to be tracked instantly???

b) The phones are within range of the plane's own 'mobile base station', if it has one (some airlines have a facilities for making calls from one's own mobile)

c) Even if the ringing is just an effect of the network (reading comments seems to indicate what you hear when you ring a mobile will vary across networks) - the fact that several familiy members reported that they were able to see missing relatives signed into the "QQ" messaging service seems very odd indeed.

EMP
If there was an EMP pulse large enough to fry the planes electronics, it is likely the mobiles would have been as well.

Hijacking
If the plane was hijacked, collecting phones would not be instant. It would also be subject to things like people having multiple phones (many people use Blackberry for business and iPhone / Android for personal). There would be a considerable chance of someone attempting to get a message through. There is also a reasonable chance that at least one of the people on the plane had a satellite phone that would not require the use of any land based or plane based base station...

[b]Sudden de-pressurisation and/or toxic gas and/or fire
These would still surely give tens of seconds in which to raise the alarm and would have eventually created lots of wreckage from a crash, even if the plane went on autopilot till it ran out of fuel

[solace]

Oil Rig Worker Says He Saw Flight 370 Crash in Flames

Oil Rig Worker Says He Saw Flight 370 Crash in FlamesExpand

A New Zealand man working on an oil rig in the South China Sea claims he witnessed missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 burst into flames before disappearing.

Mike McKay, who was working on the Songa Mercur drilling platform off the Vietnamese coast, described the incident, which he said took place 50-70 km from his location, in an email to his supervisors.

From the email:

When I observed the burning (plane) it appeared to be in one piece.

...

From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling) or going away from our location.

Related
Flight's Final Message Revealed, Official Denies "Off-Course" Report

Flight MH370's final radio message signaled that everything on board was normal. "All right, roger that," the flight's pilot… Read…

ABC's Bob Woodruff confirmed with Mckay's employers that the email is real. If what McKay witnessed was actually Flight 370, it would disprove reports that the flight changed course and disappeared over the Strait of Malacca.

The full email is below:

http://gawker.com/oil-rig-worker-says-h ... 1542226293

[semper occultus]

Drudge headline: "BOEING warned of computer takeover of 777..." links to:

Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access
A Rule by the Federal Aviation Administration on 11/18/2013

https://www.federalregister.gov/article ... nic-system

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...now I like that theory...obvious really.......the Boston Brakes goes airborne...

[Lord Balto]

Is anyone beginning to wonder if all of this confusion isn't part of Operation Mindfuck and the Erisian conspiracy, a la Robert Anton Wilson?

[Zombie Glenn Beck]

Discordian plane hijackers sounds way too fun to be true.

[8bitagent]

Plane kept flying for hours after last signal; Chinese satellite report of "wreckage" proves false
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asi ... ?hpt=hp_t1