What is Colonialism?

[seemslikeadream]

i ain't gonna get involved

[Searcher08]

AD, why are you bringing this up HERE and NOW, with no communication about it with the Mods (AFAIK) or myself via PM?

This is months after the event.

Can you see how this might be seen as wanting to start a fight / divisions again? The Board has been going along pretty peacefully and I'm not sure how this conversation - in this format - will contribute to it.

I also wrote a relevant post for your thread and you have ignored that content - for one on an episode you were banned for. I would regard it as a demonstration of good faith to share your thoughts on my post about Sutton, as I think it reveals unexpected common ground.

I am unsure how to go forward, so will be asking for Mod advice.
My PM will read:
Please could you advise on this conversation? I am unsure what to do. I don't like the divisive direction seems to be taking and would appreciate guidance.

[American Dream]

And the official rule cited is found where, and known by all of us how?

This is important to all of us and it seems significant that the posters who are most adamant about this want to obscure their claims and not support them, when the existence of said "rule"- or not- is clearly relevant to the board as a whole.

[seemslikeadream]

To get things right, it is enough to call fascism by its real name, as it is sufficient to identify mass murder perpetrated by the Empire on all continents!

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Just as George W. Bush (clearly borrowing from fundamentalist Christian rhetoric), liked to say: “You are either with us or against us”. Countries are now evidently put on the spot: ‘they either accept the Western neo-colonialist doctrine’, or they get destroyed, one after another, as were Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

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It is clear that the Empire is preparing for the final assault. It will not back down. It will attack, destroy and annihilate. No idea when, but it will. And it will happen sooner rather than later, and with tremendous force.

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Except in the countries where the intellectuals and ‘elites’ have totally sold out, like in Indonesia or Malaysia, the horrendous deeds of the colonialism and neo-colonialism of Europe and North America, are finally being discussed, analyzed, and understood.

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It cannot live as an equal. Therefore, it will fight its final battle. It will try to win. Or, it will try to destroy the world. Because life is not worth living for it, if it is not in full control; if its God is not in control, if it is not perceived as the enforcer of the divine manifesto.
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Your only strength is in your weapons of mass destruction, and therefore in spreading fear. And most of your arguments have no foundations in truth, only in deception and lies.
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The goal is to never allow Western imperialism and colonialism to take control over the planet again, as it mercilessly did at the end of the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th, at the cost of tens of millions of human lives.
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After constantly justifying and glorifying its terrible deeds, brainwashing our planet into believing that it actually brings progress and rationality to the savages (the rest of the planet), it cannot be trusted with ‘informing’ and ‘educating’ the people
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Instead of glorifying the wisdom of Founding Fathers of the United States, we should recall that North America was created on the unimaginable suffering of the indigenous people, on Christian bigotry and forced conversions, on genocide, and on theft of the land. And that it was not done by some new and extraterrestrial breed or race called ‘Americans’, but by the same European puritans and religious hordes that had already murdered for centuries, all over Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

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And those theatres of Europe, cathedrals and churches, palaces and parks – all created from loot and genocides, colonialism and the Crusades, ‘military adventures’.

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Yes, this is our alliance. Some 2 billion people who are living in the countries that were terrorized, brutalized, reduced to ashes, but that stood again and decided to fight, rather to live like slaves.

[American Dream]

Searcher, since you were the one who made the complaint and got me suspended for two weeks, by most any standard of decent behavior, it is you who should be accountable enough to openly cite the "rule" you said I violated, and explain if and how we are all somehow supposed to be aware of this collective standard...

[seemslikeadream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6nyfXu5fWs

They had a last supper the day of the beaching
She's a dead ship sailing skeleton crew
The galley is empty, the stove pots are cooling
With what's left of the stew

The time is approaching, the captain moves over
The hangman steps in to do what he's paid for
With the wind down the tide
She goes proud ahead steaming
And he drives her hard into the shore

So far from the Clyde
Together we ride
We did ride

As if to a wave from her bows to her rudder
Bravely she rises to meet with the land
Under their feet they all feel her keel shatter
The shallow sea washes their hands

Later the captain shakes hands with the hangman
And climbs slowly down to the oily wet ground
Goes 'bout to the car that has come here to take him
To the graveyard and back to the town

So far from the Clyde
Together we ride
We did ride

They pull out her cables and hack off her hatches
Too poor to be wasteful with pity or time
They swarm on her carcass with torches and axes
Like a whale on the bloody shoreline

Stripped of her pillars, her stays and her stanchions
When there's only her bones on the wet poison land
Steel ropes will drag her with winches and engines
'Til it's only a stain on the sand

So far from the Clyde
Together we ride
We did ride

So far from the Clyde
Together we ride
We did ride

[Searcher08]

Searcher, since you were the one who made the complaint and got me suspended for two weeks, by most any standard of decent behavior, it is you who should be accountable enough to openly cite the "rule" you said I violated, and explain if and how we are all somehow supposed to be aware of this collective standard...

You appear to be spoiling for a fight about this and I am not going to give you one.

Your framing of "Searcher got me suspended for two weeks"
and then trying to shift the talk to my "accountability" (accountability to whom? to you?) avoids the simple fact that you were suspended by R.I. Mods for your behaviour.

Given I have suggested multiple other approaches for communication that you have ignored, you appear to be trying to troll my ass or flamebait. If you feel this is an injustice, I suggest you take it up with the Mods. Or have a communication with me by PM. Or write to Jeff Wells.

[Wombaticus Rex]

AD, according to moderation logs your last suspension was "for Gilad Atzmon" - a verboten topic per Jeff Wells.

Also, I suspended you. Nobody else does that. There's reports filed here pretty much every day. It's not reports that get people suspended, it's their behavior and my decision.

Also also: way to keep it on topic! Colonialism, indeed.

[American Dream]

AD, according to moderation logs your last suspension was "for Gilad Atzmon" - a verboten topic per Jeff Wells.

Also, I suspended you. Nobody else does that. There's reports filed here pretty much every day. It's not reports that get people suspended, it's their behavior and my decision.

Also also: way to keep it on topic! Colonialism, indeed.

So Gilad Atzmon was "a verboten topic per Jeff Wells"?

I don't think we all knew this- myself very much included.

Is there a particular way that this was conveyed to all of us and then supported/enforced on the board in particular?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Yes: viewtopic.php?p=473208#p473208

Good discussion, bad subject line.

I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Also, to head off every meaningless poodle complaint you're so fond of registering, right up front:

Is this a well-managed system? No.

Is this a fair system? No.

Is this an accountable system? No.

Is this supposed to be any of those things? No.

This isn't a town board meeting. This isn't a Workers Collective. This definitely isn't a Struggle Session.

[American Dream]

Good discussion, bad subject line.

I don't think Atzmon is what we talk about when we talk about Krishnamurti. And after the forum's latest near-death experience in our last Atzmon thread, I think I need to be clear upfront in this one: I'll regard advocacy here for Atzmon as a violation of RI's posting guidelines.

Searcher and WR, is there any stretch of the imagination whatsoever by which you would urge us to consider by which you could say that I am the one who engaged in advocacy for Atzmon?

[seemslikeadream]

well here's my two cents

you and only you is the person that mentions the people that you do not want to be discussed here ..why do you do that?

[solace]

But of course AD was not ADVOCATING Atzmon. As a matter of fact he has a long history of arguing against Atzmon unlike the two who likely reported the bogus matter. As you say though. this place has its faults and purposefully so it seems:

"Is this supposed to be any of those things? No."

[seemslikeadream]

by being the only one that brings up his name I can not understand who he is arguing with


it's not bogus ..it is a RULE that everyone else follows

nice to see you posting again solace....