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Postby Sepka » Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:54 pm

bvonahsen said: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I cut my internet teeth on IIRC, with my MacClassic II and a 9600 baud modem, before <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="httpbrowsers">wsers</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> were even invented I used Pine to read the Usenet and wrote my own script to log into my account.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I had a 75/300 baud acoustic coupler (still have it, in fact, and it's probably in working order, although it hasn't been used in 15 years or so) that I used to use to dial up to a Vax that had actual internet access. I still have Pine on my PC, although I generally use KNode these days. So there! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sepka>Sepka</A> at: 10/23/06 10:55 am<br></i>
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Postby postrchild » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:23 pm

[Big Dog comes off the porch]<br><br><br>get em jeff........<br><br>BV is, well for lack of better words, a Cheyney. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:59 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But this is Rigorous Intuition. If your intuition can't allow for the suprarational, you must not be very happy here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>My mistake. And no I'm not happy, I think I've made that obvious. What I see is a sea of phantasms and froth all around and a rocky shore. No nice sandy "suprarational" beach in sight.<br><br>Not that I don't have a lot in common with some of the ideas here. Like most people today I don't buy the official explaination for 911, or a host of other fringe concepts (most people today believe the CIA had something to do with all the deaths in the 60's and that's just one example). But the thing is the more I look into many alleged events all I find are simple and very rational explainations. Like professorpans hand imprint, any hypnotist could duplicate that. Sleep paralysis already <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>is</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> a hypnotic state anyway. So to go back to the topic of this thread, no, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>any</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> report of strange goings on where someone is flitting in and out of a dreamlike state simply (and then knowingly publishing photoshoped images) cannot be taken at face value. I've done the work, I've looked into a lot of the claims and found nothing. There is a truckload of BS and no pony at the bottom. Pisses me off. I suspect you have had the same experience and that may be why you focus on real demons like pedo polititians.<br><br>Maybe it's not my job and I should just chill the ef out. I don't know, maybe. Maybe on the other hand someone should put the rigor in RI a little too. Do you <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>want</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> this to be just another trash conspiracy board? And if not then there has to some kind of pushback when the delusions start to flood the place. No? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby professorpan » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:34 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But the thing is the more I look into many alleged events all I find are simple and very rational explainations. Like professorpans hand imprint, any hypnotist could duplicate that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not true. Some hypnotists can allegedly cause marks to manifest on someone's skin, but I have not seen it (and I have talked to many hypnotists over the years). I have seen a hypnotist cause a blister to appear, but a six-fingered handprint? Unlikely, I think. Not to mention, I had no involvement with a hypnotist at the time who could have implanted the suggestion. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Do you want this to be just another trash conspiracy board? And if not then there has to some kind of pushback when the delusions start to flood the place. No?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This board is like any other open forum -- a mix of good, bad, and plain crazy. It's self-regulating. The key is to critique the ideas, not the person posting the ideas. When things get personal, the discourse suffers. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby jingofever » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:31 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Speculating on such themes doesn't make me crazy or stupid.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>A subjective statement. Your speculation is that the "Military Industrial Complex" is withholding information, as a result physicists are stuck on a theory you have declared to be bunk. I am sure your actual theory is broader than this, but that does not matter.<br><br>I am aware of the anti-gravity research, I assume you are talking about the articles by Nick Cook. Maybe you are also referring to the anti-gravity reports from the 1950s. And you bring up Heim's theory. I am having trouble finding what is 'hidden' about this 'hidden knowledge'. If you want to allege a government cover-up don't point to articles where government/defense industry researchers talk about their work using publicly accessible science. Is there a rational reason to jump from those articles to your cover-up theory?<br><br>You say the military perhaps knows more than 'most physicsts' regarding Heim's theory because after all, they have expressed interest in it. Never mind that with a limitless budget they can spend money researching anything they want and do. Somehow in this case it is evidence that something is being covered up. But forget about that, using this same logic might the government know more than they let on regarding UFOs? Mind control? Remote viewing? We know at least a little about Project Blue Book, MKULTRA and Project Stargate. But I have a feeling you are not ready to jump on those ideas.<br><br>For your theory to be correct you have to overstate the seperation between government and academic research. Often academic researchers do work for the government, naturally as they are at the top of their fields. Consider 'the Jasons', a group of well known physicists who the government uses to tackle difficult problems. You can conclude one of two things, that the government let them in on the real physics or they did not. The former is not plausible as it does not fit well with the fact that the same physicists spend the rest of their careers writing papers and teaching what you would have to be the wrong physics. The latter gives us two further possibilities, that the government assigned these guys to problems that don't require the real physics or they let them sweat it out futilely on problems they have no chance against. The latter is illogical because it would just be a waste of time. The former is illogical because they would be better off working on them in house rather than contracting guys who cannot even discover the real physics.<br><br>The movement of scientists is two-way. The government hires from academia and government scientists go back into academia. Even more, they all belong to the same professional organizations. Is it rational to speculate on hidden physics in any of those cases? Or are there more plausible explanations?<br><br>Back to that subjective bit, if you told a physicist that the reason string theory (or any other theory of your choice) is being worked on is because the government will not release the secret knowledge they would not seperate you from the class of people who believe in Illuminati theories or are afraid of UFOs flying into their bedrooms at night. Given the evidence you presented, it is not rational to speculate that the government is withholding critical research. Some people might say it is paranoid. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:01 pm

I blogged the weirdest sleep paralysis type incident that I had.<br><br>It <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://tohellwithculture.blogspot.com/" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br><br>I know this is subjective, and there is no proof of anything...<br><br>But the weirdest part of that event is my father's comments on the event.<br><br>Just as I was drifting off, I heard him talking, so afterward, next time we spoke on the phone, I mentioned the weird event. He repeated exactly what he had said beforehand, tho I was drifting off to sleep 1000 miles away when I heard him the first time.<br><br>The feeling as it began, that feeling of having my mind sucked out of my head... I have never experienced that before.<br><br>It was odd, and very disconcerting, and my personal feelings at the time - anger and rage at the assault I felt I was suffering, they were spontaneous. If someone attacked me on the street, I'd respond with a similar anger and intensity, without having time to think about it.<br><br>But at the same time, I can see the way some of the images and motifs that I experienced could have come from within the stuff I have been exposed to over the years.<br><br>And am prepared to accept that the whole thing could have been a weird dream. One that served some deep psychological purpose.<br><br>But when I try and sit back and view the event objectively, it doesn't remove this deep feeling, an intuition if you want, that there was more to that experience than my own imagination spinning me out with its creativity. That the experience was an interaction of some kind.<br><br>And the bit about Dad .. that can't be explained away by any rational explantaion I know of. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby dbeach » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:18 pm

"that feeling of having my mind sucked out of my head... "<br><br>I have similar feeling but considerd it to be my soul or spirit. MAYBE its my consciousness..being sucked up and then transported to another room or closeby place where the real fun begins as ina alien abduction and then again it could be dreams sleep paralysis..<br><br>I think its alien abductions BUT what are these aliens ??<br> if not more hydrogen molecules ....IF not just another form of consciousness..but not mine..<br><br>dark dreams nightmares..are different from these dreamlike events. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby yesferatu » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:41 pm

<<Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>But this is Rigorous Intuition. If your intuition can't allow for the suprarational, you must not be very happy here.<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>My mistake. >><br><br>Huh????<br>Wait a minute. Wha...???<br>You just now realized you were mis-reading the word "rigorous" and your brain was telling you that you were reading the word "rational" and it just now had to be pointed out to you for you?? <br><br>And with such rigorous rationality on your part, you want us to be proselytized to the bvonahsen theory that consciousness is understood if only we would listen to YOU??<br><br>And I use the word proselytized seriously. What is it with you Skeptic Magazine-types? Why is it a fucking religion with such people? Why are you here to proselytize, harangue, and condemn? Why? You never miss an opportunity to point the bony finger of self-righteous condemnation and proceed to trumpet your "intellectual integrity" when a subject you mentally can't deal with, is broached.<br><br>I'm sorry the universe isn't the way you want it to be. I'm sorry there are mysteries open for discussion. I'm sorry the universe does not fit in your box. I'm sorry it's a scary world.<br>Sorry. SORRY. But I will not be harangued by the Skeptic Magazine types who HAVE NO EFFIN CLUE WHAT SKEPTICISM IS. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby streeb » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But I will not be harangued by the Skeptic Magazine types who HAVE NO EFFIN CLUE WHAT SKEPTICISM IS. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>hear, hear <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby bvonahsen » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:51 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>that feeling of having my mind sucked out of my head...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well that explains a lot.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And with such rigorous rationality on your part, you want us to be proselytized to the bvonahsen theory that consciousness is understood if only we would listen to YOU??<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I never said any such thing. and yes, I made a mistake, That is not irrational, it is just... making a mistake, in fact, it even proves my point. <br><br>Had you been paying attention you would understand that I was making that point that the world we believe we live in and move through is a construct created by imperfect senses that can fail or even be hacked. Our visual system has a refresh rate just like your PC monitor does. Even worse, it has been proven time and time again that people will not see what is directly in front of them if they choose not to. Does that mean that reality falls apart into some solipsist chaos? No, it means we should put more trust in the one thing that can be and has been proven through the ages to actually work, the scientific method. Anecdotes, dreams and hallucinations do not inform us of the nature of reality. (Yes I know about Crick and the others, that is different, that is their brain continuing to work on a problem once the conscious mind is out of the way. There is no new information added, just problem solving)<br><br>I kinda wish they did. I am willing to suspend my beliefs to try and find some alternate way, a path to knowledge beside science. I haven't found it, that pissed me off and it doesn't help that few here seem really willing to be serious. As I have said, all I can see here is fantasy piled on top of paranoia on top of conjecture. Where is the rigor then? Where? I don't see any attempt at all. There are some great stories though, but in the end that is all they are, fiction. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby Sepka » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:14 am

RI said:<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But the "flying humanoid" business is a curious recent development (or maybe, not recent?), and seemingly widely distributed.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>They're being widely reported recently, but they were quite commonly reported in the late 19th century too, during the Airship sightings. Flying people seem to have been seen quite a bit during the 50s and 60s as well, although there was a tendency at the time to 'bury' UFO reports that didn't fit the then-prevailing idea of visitors from space.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://paranormal.about.com/cs/humanenigmas/a/aa082503.htm">paranormal.about.com/cs/h...082503.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ufoinfo.com/humanoid/index.shtml">www.ufoinfo.com/humanoid/index.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>have some accounts.<br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:24 am

I had at least 2 experiences that were literally back to back occuring within less than a 30 day period about 7 years ago. I originally believed that they were associated with what I was told was a rare and mild form of Epilepsy I was diagnosed with as a teen, but only experienced in a relatively rare point in my adult life when I briefly lived alone and had difficulty adjusting to solitary life. It could be argued that either I was hypersensitive as a result of the change of lifestyle, or if I shed myself of some '<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>rationalism</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->', it could also be said that the solitary status made me more vulnerable to some form of predation.<br><br>Regardless:<br><br>The first one came in the form of feeling someone get into bed beside me while I was in a state of early sleep. I literally felt the covers pull back, the bed shift under something's weight, and the physical contact of a body beside me. This one was pretty scary, but I immediately recalled the adolescent diagnosis and embraced it as a conveniant explanation.<br><br>A few days later, I was awakened from a deep sleep, jolted, more like it, by instant consciousness/awareness that had a rock-hard predetermined conviction that there were at least 8 figures standing around my bed staring at me motionless.<br><br>I was able to open my eyes, but that was the only voluntary muscular control I had, and the angle of my head prevented me from looking behind me where the figures would have been standing.<br><br>I laid there for what seemed like hours unable to move, unable to look behind me, but I had a picture perfect image of the figures, who were different sexes and ages of wide range(one was an old, half balding man, another was a teenage female).<br><br>I'm unable to account for how I knew their features, much less how I knew they were in the room, even less why I was unable to move for what seemed a small eternity. After forever and under a heavy strain, I was able to move my hand towards my nightstand drawer and retrive a knife inside it, but was unable to do much aside from lay there holding it. Eventually, I fell back asleep and woke later with the knife still in my hand.<br><br>This period was also punctuated by one of the absolute worst nightmares I've ever had in which I 'woke' inside a dream within the same apartment I lived in, but everything floor to ceiling was a washed out gray, and I mean everything, every object, was the same identical color. There was a mild, diffuse light who's source I was unable to identify, and a form of music I'm unable to describe that was coming in from my bedroom window. <br><br>Every object was..attached permanently to the form it laid on, as in, everything seemed to be bolted down.<br><br>My first thought was that I was Dead and this was my Afterlife, Hell, whatever you want to call it, and that thought alone nearly drove me insane. I was trapped inside the aparment, unable to leave, interact with any objects, unable to follow shadows back to their source. It was one of the clearest dreams I have ever had, and I was unable to wake from it for what seemed like another small eternity.<br><br>I don't engage much in sleep paralysis discussions because I'm not well-read on the subject aside from knowing the 'old hag' theory a few years later on the web, but what happened to me in a very narrow window of time took place repeatedly, then never re-occured, and whatever it was I hope I never experience it again. <p>____________________<br>Wehret den Anfängen</p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby Dreams End » Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:25 am

Fascinating. Everyone go read Joe's post too. Well written and really, really wild. With some very good advice.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>"When that happens this is what you do:<br><br>Get back into your body and wake up. Gather your power and Get angry. And direct it at whats attacking you. Don't hold back."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Great stuff. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby 4911 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:25 am

indeed. Whats this I hear alot about giant praying mantises invading the minds of deep sleepers through buzzing tunnels... there was another post about this a while ago, from a totally different source i believe referring to not shrooms but ayahuasca or whatever its called. Hm, thanks for the heads up - this never happened to me but if it ever does I hope to remember your tips. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ET Caught on Film - Humanoid Entity Hovers Above House i

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:04 am

DE Cheers. The advice is my old man's. He told me on the phone after the event, in waking reality, and I dreamt him saying exactly the same thing before the event happened.<br><br>Word for word.<br><br>4911, this event happened when I was NOT tripping on shrooms. Before this happened I associated alien abduction with tripping. Specifically on shrooms.<br><br>Although I have seen plenty of weird things in the sky, and the ones I bother to remember have always been confirmed with other witnesses present. I make no judgement on that either, one of them turned out to be the space shuttle docking with the space station, tho at the time we didn't know what the hell it was.<br><br>I have posted the same story on the blog under the name jules, months and months ago. Tho not in as much detail.<br><br>Bvon<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Quote:<br>that feeling of having my mind sucked out of my head...<br><br><br>Well that explains a lot.<br><br> As I have said, all I can see here is fantasy piled on top of paranoia on top of conjecture. Where is the rigor then? Where? I don't see any attempt at all. There are some great stories though, but in the end that is all they are, fiction.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>If you are referring to my story go and get fucked.<br><br>A Its not fiction, its the event to the best of my recollection, over 9 years later. I know all about the weakness of recall and reconstructing events, but that is essentially what happened, based on what I wrote years ago.<br><br>B The only conclusions I am drawing from it are that my father gave me great advice for what is either nocturnal predation from an external non physical source, or some weird but completely natural internal dream event.<br><br>I have stated my opinion, but thats my life, I use my opinions in my daily life and they serve me well. <p></p><i></i>
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