BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

[desertfae]

As I said before.. it's a THEORY.. one that I believe. I believed it before the stupid image was uploaded here, and my theory is based mainly on the fact that VM won't post herself, but yet the almighty AD channels her, and based off of AD talking just like VM would talk, and acting like VM would act online.
If I'm wrong about the image, oh well... I still believe, what I believe. period.
I still have to wonder though why Kate played dumb with an image that was on her own server.

[desertfae]

Barracuda:

It may be that the gif has been on the site prior to 12/25, but I cannot fathom why it's properties indicate that it only was created on 12/25/2009.

BTW: I noticed that you are in Niles, CA which is very close to VM's hometown of Sunol. In your travels, have you ever met Virginia or know about her from local politics? I am curious to know more about her.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FTV7PQIdzp-6-CkrzkoRDsCPgDGE8ZTW_-IE_g%3BFQqlPQIdyCC8-CkBW9eYM8KPgDGXSuaVA8uURA&q=niles,+ca+to+sunol,+ca&sll=37.6058,-121.937771&sspn=0.06419,0.109692&ie=UTF8&ll=37.600088,-121.937943&spn=0.064195,0.109692&t=h&z=13&saddr=niles,+ca&daddr=sunol,+ca

No doubt, 7.5 miles eh? You guys are neighbors!! lol

[barracuda]

BTW: I noticed that you are in Niles, CA which is very close to VM's hometown of Sunol. In your travels, have you ever met Virginia or know about her from local politics? I am curious to know more about her.

Yes, I am a resident of Fremont, but I've never really heard of the Misses Dixon or McCullough or their publication before this thread.

I just feel excitement over the the .gif file is a cul-de-sac, and I'd hate to see either of you, Doogie or desertfae, get mired in it to the detriment of your more useful and interesting lines of thought.

[Dr_Doogie]

Hell, I do not know the names of my neighbors 100 feet away, so I knew it was a longshot. Thanks, Barracuda, for the response.

[desertfae]

Ok, based on what was said about the image being used before, I went looking.. and found it.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... ht=octopus
posted 10/21/09
Ok, so the image I am wrong about. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong when I am.. so there you go. I'm wrong about the image
However, I still feel that AD is either VM herself, or something extremely close to her, a "VM Puppet" if you will lol.

[Dr_Doogie]

And I stand corrected also. I have no idea why the created date would update change, obviously, it has. My apologies to AD.

[American Dream]

Thank you for your retraction of your charges against me and for your apology, Dr. Doogie.


desertfae wrote:

If I'm wrong about the image, oh well... I still believe, what I believe. period.

However, I still feel that AD is either VM herself, or something extremely close to her, a "VM Puppet" if you will lol.

Oh well, so you'll just keep on agent-baiting Virginia and then me by extension, by insisting without proof that you think I'm her? Or maybe her "puppet"?

I'm sorry, Rachel, but I think you're up against your own character flaws here. It is unfortunate that you came here under the banner of an ARG- this place has a lot of history with that and it did not ease your reception.

But you know what?- I really think that you could have remedied that if you had been a little less hotheaded and instead had simply given people more documentation of your actual identity. Certainly this would have been true for me.

So, honestly- I'm seeing here that you can sometimes be your own worst enemy- as most all of us can.

If you really do want to "expose the Octopus"- and I'm assuming that you do, then you are going to be challenged to tighten up your act. A lot.

This includes relying on weak logic such as what you use in your argument against me.

Do you really think it will be easy to expose the Octopus?

I don't- I think it is possible but that it requires putting ego and emotions in their place. And that's only the beginning, too.

Anyway, I'll stop now. I am rather pissed-off at what you've been saying about me. However, I am being sincere in what I am saying back


A.D.

P.S. I noticed you're still ignoring what I was suggesting by posting the octopus image with the word "Meanwhile...".

Do you understand, and if so what do you think?


ON EDIT: Adjusted to put the text back to how it was when Rachel responded...

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[desertfae]

Thank you for your retraction of your charges against me and for your apology, Dr. Doogie.


desertfae wrote:

If I'm wrong about the image, oh well... I still believe, what I believe. period.

However, I still feel that AD is either VM herself, or something extremely close to her, a "VM Puppet" if you will lol.

Oh well, so you'll just keep on agent-baiting Virginia and then me by extension, by insisting without proof that you think I'm her? Or maybe her "puppet"?

I'm sorry, Rachel, but I think you're up against your own character flaws here. It is unfortunate that you came here under the banner of an ARG- this place has a lot of history with that and it did not ease your reception.

But you know what?- I really think that you could have remedied that if you had been a little less hotheaded and instead had simply given people more documentation of your actual identity. Certainly this would have been true for me.

So, honestly- I'm seeing here that you can sometimes be your own worst enemy- as most all of us can.

If you really do want to "expose the Octopus"- and I'm assuming that you do, then you are going to be challenged to tighten up your act. A lot.

This includes relying on weak logic such as what you use in your argument against me.

Do you really think it will be easy to expose the Octopus?

I don't- I think it is possible but that it requires putting ego and emotions in their place. And that's only the beginning, too.

Anyway, I'll stop now. I am rather pissed-off at what you've been saying about me. However, I am being sincere in what I am saying back.


A.D.

P.S. I noticed you're still ignoring what I was suggesting by posting the octopus image with the word "Meanwhile...".

Do you understand, and if so what do you think?

I have company right now or I'd respond in more detail.. but WHY should I give you, VM, KD or anyone else my birth certificate or any documentation proving I'm me when the people that need it, already have it.
I'll respond in more detail later.

[American Dream]

You respond, when you are best able, but Rachel it was never a question of giving me personally any documentation of who you are. It was establishing to the Board, which has been and is still vexed by major concerns about ARG players, some kind of evidence that corroborates your identity.

Maybe you could explain to us though, why you wouldn't want to show us evidence of who you really are?

[desertfae]

You respond, when you are best able, but Rachel it was never a question of giving me personally any documentation of who you are. It was establishing to the Board, which has been and is still vexed by major concerns about ARG players, some kind of evidence that corroborates your identity.

Maybe you could explain to us though, why you wouldn't want to show us evidence of who you really are?

Oh, so we're going back to "I'm not me" again in response to my mistake on the stupid image. haha
Get this straight.. I DON'T CARE if you believe I'm me or not. The people that matter have my documentation, and I'm sure not going to put any of my legal documentation such as my birth cert, drivers license, ssn or anything else that can be used for IDENTITY THEFT, or tracking me on a public forum, do you really think I'm that stupid that just because you're trying to bait me, yet again, that I would do that?
Honestly. I'm me, if you don't believe it, I don't care.
As far as who I think you are, that is my personal belief, and it may change in time, who knows, but for now, I believe you're either VM or one of her many puppets. I don't even care if anyone else on the board believes you are VM or not, it's my own opinion, which I'm standing by, for now. If I happen to have a change in this opinion, I'll let you know.
As far as what you meant by "Meanwhile...", no, I have no clue what you meant there and honestly, it didn't look too important.
Why don't you go ask your little friend KD why she hasn't responded to stuff, instead of asking me to comment on your little "meanwhile..." which wasn't all that important.
As far as how I react, or what I say, that's my personality, I generally tell people what I think of them... so now I've told you. Congrats.
Now, on the other hand, VM and KD may be nice people when they aren't trying to interfere in cases, screw up investigations, and help the 'bad guys', but considering what has happened over the last few years offline and online in regard to them, I choose not to associate myself with them since our motives are completely opposite with me trying to seek justice for my dad's murder.
Come to think of it, I remember this which VM never responded to:
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Virginia McCullough wrote:
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I do not believe that desertfae is a "victim" and she has not posted any information that she is who she claims to be. The best evidence of this belief is her removal of her so-called birth certificate from the web. I want to add here that desertfae had absoutely NO influence on the re-opening of the cold case file on the Alvarez slayings. However she is attacking people who are putting their lives in danger trying to solve this triple homicide. What she is doing is particpating as an actress in an Alternate Reality Game. She is a low stage puppet reporting to the puppet master and two or three of his minions.

Virginia McCullough says:
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***"She" had nothing to do with getting the Alvarez triple executions re-opened by the Riverside Sheriff's Department. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
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I seem to remember others asking VM to clarify why she said these things and there was nothing but crickets in response. Why don't you 'channel' VM for us again AD and have her clarify why she lied about me.

[American Dream]

desertfae wrote:

American Dream wrote:

You respond, when you are best able, but Rachel it was never a question of giving me personally any documentation of who you are. It was establishing to the Board, which has been and is still vexed by major concerns about ARG players, some kind of evidence that corroborates your identity.

Maybe you could explain to us though, why you wouldn't want to show us evidence of who you really are?

Oh, so we're going back to "I'm not me" again in response to my mistake on the stupid image. haha
Get this straight.. I DON'T CARE if you believe I'm me or not. The people that matter have my documentation, and I'm sure not going to put any of my legal documentation such as my birth cert, drivers license, ssn or anything else that can be used for IDENTITY THEFT, or tracking me on a public forum, do you really think I'm that stupid that just because you're trying to bait me, yet again, that I would do that?
Honestly. I'm me, if you don't believe it, I don't care.

Rachel, your reading comprehension is not good here- is that in some way deliberate?

I wasn't questioning who you are- I was remembering back to when communication broke down with many people on this board- not just me at all. You declined to document your identity after all your ARG stuff became an issue. So I am asking why you did what you did.

I've never suggested that you should have placed your birth certificate on the web but I did notice how you became very stubborn, and just refused to corroborate your identity, which of course we can't make you do. This greatly added to the confusion about your identity.

I can think of plenty of ways you might have established your bonafides besides placing such documents on the web- I imagine you can think of a few yourself. Anyway, this is not my point- just responding to your misinterpretation of my words, above.

So, let's assume for a second that it actually is possible to build more goodwill here- it is- so a brief explanation as to why you declined to better I.D. yourself before would actually be helpful.

While we're at it- if you want to- you could give us some kind of statement on why you're so negative towards Virginia McCullough- not that you're negative towards her or that you accuse her of having a nefarious agenda (we know that already)- but why?

What led you to feel as you do?

I'm going to come back again to my posting of the picture of the octopus with the word "Meanwhile...". More to the point than whether it "proves" that I am VM or something, is the thought suggested by the juxtaposition of the image and the word.

I imagine you get the point- that we're at risk of spending too much time and energy on relatively small squabbles at the expense of the much more important (and much more challenging) struggle, which should be effectively confronting the Octopus...

What do you think of that?

[compared2what?]

You respond, when you are best able, but Rachel it was never a question of giving me personally any documentation of who you are. It was establishing to the Board, which has been and is still vexed by major concerns about ARG players, some kind of evidence that corroborates your identity.

It strikes me as just a tad presumptuous of you to speak for the board wrt a vexation that no poster besides you has even hinted at let alone expressed since whatever point in the distant past pretty much every poster who'd initially harbored any doubts about Rachel's identity manned up and acknowledged that events had proved them wrong.

However, perhaps you have some private access to board sentiment that I don't share. And if so, I apologize for the implication.

But either way, given that I don't share it, I can't claim to be speaking for anybody other than myself when I say that I'm not now and never have been vexed by major concerns about ARG players. In this or any other context. I do have some issues with trolls, bullies, impostors, and other assorted bad actors from time to time, though I don't know that I could really say I was vexed by them, precisely.

Irrespective of which, for whom, other than yourself, are you speaking, AD? If anyone? Because speaking for myself, I kind of resent being spoken for. And while it's pure speculation, and subject to correction as such, I kind of doubt that I'm totally alone in that regard.

To be continued shortly.

[American Dream]

It is absolutely true that I had lingering doubts about desertfae's bonafides until she came out into the limelight with the Jimmy Hughes case. However, I do seem to recall that a bunch of people here had doubts or concerns about this.

However, when she was coming more into the public light, I waited cautiously, and said I would apologize if I was wrong, which I did. That was many months now and I have had no doubts about this since.

However, the whole misunderstanding seems preventible and that's why I'm still wondering what happened, and why...

[desertfae]

Rachel, your reading comprehension is not good here- is that in some way deliberate?

Perhaps my comprehension level is much lower than yours, as you suggest, and not understanding your question, but it seems you've repeated yourself again, and my answer is the same, which I'll get into below.

I wasn't questioning who you are- I was remembering back to when communication broke down with many people on this board- not just me at all. You declined to document your identity after all your ARG stuff became an issue. So I am asking why you did what you did.

When you say I declined to document my identity, exactly what do you mean, in what way should I have documented my identity?
You also are asking why I did what I did... what? Why didn't I document my identity? In what way? If you mean by posting up documented evidence of who I am, I can only think of legal forms of ID, because nothing else I said, explained or did mattered because you all wanted my birth certificate, which I actually DID post for a short period of time and then promptly took it down because I don't want VM, KD or others to have it.
Lets see YOU document your identity.

I've never suggested that you should have placed your birth certificate on the web but I did notice how you became very stubborn, and just refused to corroborate your identity, which of course we can't make you do. This greatly added to the confusion about your identity.

Stubborn huh? What exactly were you wanting?
I gave my name, location, and even offered to meet a member of the board to SHOW my drivers license to them.

I can think of plenty of ways you might have established your bonafides besides placing such documents on the web- I imagine you can think of a few yourself. Anyway, this is not my point- just responding to your misinterpretation of my words, above.

Name the "plenty of ways" please.

So, let's assume for a second that it actually is possible to build more goodwill here- it is- so a brief explanation as to why you declined to better I.D. yourself before would actually be helpful.

Again, I did offer it, by meeting a member of the board in public, and showing my ID, however, at this point, the offer is withdrawn due to the treatment I've received here, and due to events in the case.

While we're at it- if you want to- you could give us some kind of statement on why you're so negative towards Virginia McCullough- not that you're negative towards her or that you accuse her of having a nefarious agenda (we know that already)- but why?

What led you to feel as you do?

VM and KD have attempted to interfere in my case, they have attempted to interfere in PAT's case, VM has sent "spies" to attempt to be my friends and get info from me (I have documented proof of that, that I will not share at this time). Why would I be happy with what she's doing trying to help the same people that have destroyed my life?
Earlier, before she started trying to screw up my case I received multiple warnings about her from multiple people whom she's dealt with in the past, who don't even know each other. At that point, I was highly cautious, but kept an open mind.. then I saw the types of 'games' she plays.
Try putting yourself in MY shoes. Your dad is murdered, your life is messed up because of this for years, and you start to get answers, and you have this witch trying to screw up everything you do... would you be happy?

I'm going to come back again to my posting of the picture of the octopus with the word "Meanwhile...". More to the point than whether it "proves" that I am VM or something, is the thought suggested by the juxtaposition of the image and the word.

I imagine you get the point- that we're at risk of spending too much time and energy on relatively small squabbles at the expense of the much more important (and much more challenging) struggle, which should be effectively confronting the Octopus...

What do you think of that?

I think as long as their are idiots trying to screw up my case, I'll confront whatever aspect I feel like confronting.

[compared2what?]

Maybe you could explain to us though, why you wouldn't want to show us evidence of who you really are?

Oh, so we're going back to "I'm not me" again in response to my mistake on the stupid image. haha
Get this straight.. I DON'T CARE if you believe I'm me or not. The people that matter have my documentation, and I'm sure not going to put any of my legal documentation such as my birth cert, drivers license, ssn or anything else that can be used for IDENTITY THEFT, or tracking me on a public forum, do you really think I'm that stupid that just because you're trying to bait me, yet again, that I would do that?
Honestly. I'm me, if you don't believe it, I don't care.

Rachel, your reading comprehension is not good here- is that in some way deliberate?

I wasn't questioning who you are- I was remembering back to when communication broke down with many people on this board- not just me at all. You declined to document your identity after all your ARG stuff became an issue. So I am asking why you did what you did.

I've never suggested that you should have placed your birth certificate on the web but I did notice how you became very stubborn, and just refused to corroborate your identity, which of course we can't make you do. This greatly added to the confusion about your identity.

I can think of plenty of ways you might have established your bonafides besides placing such documents on the web- I imagine you can think of a few yourself. Anyway, this is not my point- just responding to your misinterpretation of my words, above.

So, let's assume for a second that it actually is possible to build more goodwill here- it is- so a brief explanation as to why you declined to better I.D. yourself before would actually be helpful.

I'd like to say only that AD's comments above to the effect of "I attribute my refusal to accept the clearly stated and easily understandable reasons that Rachel has already repeatedly given for not feeling any obligation to prove the sincerity of her wish to see the people responsible for her father's murder held accountable for their crimes to a bunch of strangers on the internet to her flawed reading comprehension skills rather than mine" seem like they have a very dangerous sort of logic, in that, by analogy, they have the potential for excusing all manner of abuse.

However, I do think that further comments on this topic deserve their own thread, as we really should respect the topic here in this thread, which of course is named "BREAKING: Hughes arrested for 1981 Alvarez murders".

Not to respect that subject here would be itself a statement and not the kind that I personally want to make. So please, let's try to stay on topic here, and make new threads as needed.

So, AD:

Given that nobody other than you seems to feel that Rachel's goodwill is sufficiently in question to justify derailing the whole thread -- "meanwhile, the octopus," and so on -- until you're satisfied that all of your concerns have been thoroughly addressed, I invite you to start a thread on which you can explore those concerns without taking everybody else off-topic.

Again, to be continued shortly.