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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:20 pm

Nordic, I'm increasingly with you. The LA case had me scratching my head wondering what kind of Police fraternal organization would have the reach to coordinate something like this. It's definitely textbook paranoia, but the speed and density of these cases in the past few months has been intense. That didn't set off my paranoia, though: it's the absurdity of this latest one. The completely unnecessary violence and the location/staging are ... pause-worthy.

Such sentiments are what keep us on reservations such as this forum, but let's exercise that right while we're here, yeah?
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Postby 82_28 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:28 pm

Plus cops never ever "snitch", testify against one another. They routinely let each other off on say DUI stops and stuff like that we hear about. Yet, I have yet to hear of a cop that kited a concern that his/her department was expressly told to do X and noted it was illegal/racist/unethical.

Face it, cops can do no wrong because they reliably do what they're told because if they don't, the "brotherhood" will literally get to them in some way. Cops are above the law. I'm with Nordic too. Without that Rodney King beating getting filmed the LA riots wouldn't have been possible -- the planned/social control riots needed fuel. AND this was before the Internet, so the job to get it out into the second largest TV market in the US and then on into mediasphere could have (must have?) been set up. I have no fucking idea. But to film that shit in those days required a heavy camera. You didn't just whip it out of your pocket passing by a crazy police beatdown and submit to youtube as you walked back home where it would go viral in seconds. Say whoever did film that beating of King wandered outside and said "SHIT! I gotta film this shit." So he runs inside, makes sure his battery is charged, tape ready to go and proceeds to go about filming what would incite the riots by taking to the media.

Never thought about it that way until these past few weeks courtesy of these past few minutes of thinking about what it all means -- end of day.
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Postby IanEye » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:51 pm

82_28 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:28 pm wrote:But to film that shit in those days required a heavy camera.
You didn't just whip it out of your pocket passing by a crazy police beatdown and submit to youtube as you walked back home where it would go viral in seconds.



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Postby Rory » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:42 pm

I'm pretty familiar with the Hollywood/Highland intersection. It's possibly the busiest part of LA in terms of foot traffic. There's very busy subway station there and a couple of busy bus lines that go east/west along Hollywood.

The mix of people is intense. Tourists visiting the myriad attractions, street performers, people dressed in movie character fancy dress, folk plying their music trade, hustlers, homeless folk, and some very disturbed/mentally ill people. Add to this commuter traffic using the various public transport. It's a scene - probably closer to old school time square than many other places in America.

I've seen multiple fist fights more than a bit of blood. When it gets dark, the craziness ramps up a notch. More adult business entrepreneurs start their shit and there are often violent assaults and murders. It's a crazy place.

The cops are always there. There is a squad car parked on the street and they keep a low profile for the most part - I rarely see them even walking around and the violent fights I've seen, they were no where to be seen.

This shit suprises me because they could not have picked a more public theatre. Bizzare - this after the LAPD boss censured his officers that gunned down a unarmed man a while back, after a high speed car chase

http://www.latimes.com/local/cityhall/l ... story.html
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Postby 8bitagent » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:34 pm

82_28 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:28 pm wrote:Plus cops never ever "snitch", testify against one another. They routinely let each other off on say DUI stops and stuff like that we hear about. Yet, I have yet to hear of a cop that kited a concern that his/her department was expressly told to do X and noted it was illegal/racist/unethical.

Face it, cops can do no wrong because they reliably do what they're told because if they don't, the "brotherhood" will literally get to them in some way. Cops are above the law. I'm with Nordic too. Without that Rodney King beating getting filmed the LA riots wouldn't have been possible -- the planned/social control riots needed fuel. AND this was before the Internet, so the job to get it out into the second largest TV market in the US and then on into mediasphere could have (must have?) been set up. I have no fucking idea. But to film that shit in those days required a heavy camera. You didn't just whip it out of your pocket passing by a crazy police beatdown and submit to youtube as you walked back home where it would go viral in seconds. Say whoever did film that beating of King wandered outside and said "SHIT! I gotta film this shit." So he runs inside, makes sure his battery is charged, tape ready to go and proceeds to go about filming what would incite the riots by taking to the media.

Never thought about it that way until these past few weeks courtesy of these past few minutes of thinking about what it all means -- end of day.


This might sound fucked up, but if the Katrina bridge massacre of 2005 in New Orleans by cops shooting fleeing blacks in the back happened today, there'd probably be "no indictment returned".

I don't know if it's a conspiracy, but I do wonder if jurors are fearing retribution from police or police supporters if they do convict. AT LEAST Rodney King got a trial. We don't even get a damn trial for so many of these
incidents. And for white suburban people who would never protest because it's just black folks being brutalized; the footage of cops brutally beating a white blonde nurse they pulled over in LA while fist bump high fiving eachother should give them pause.
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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:52 am

Day 5 of massive nationwide protests in the wake of the Eric Garner no indictment murder. Goose bumps at seeing this raw nerve ground swell by both students, athletes and every day people
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:05 am

I was wrong. I joined an active protest about Garner and Brown today. Kudos to everyone who worked hard to lay the groundwork while I trepidatiously suspected a honeypot. Enough is enough.
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Postby Sounder » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:13 am

If I were a social engineer, and my buddies and I could forecast that there would be a groundswell of outrage at an innocent verdict in the Garner case, one partial solution would be to cook up another case (pick it out from the random happenings of living), essentially weaker and ensured to not play as well to the ‘white’ segment of society.

The OP would not then be so much directed at ‘stopping’ the activists as it would be to taint the righteousness of the outrage in the Garner case with a less clear example of police misconduct in the Brown case.

Inoculation in action.

Even 'White' people see the Garner incident as murder, while they (more likely) tend to see the Brown case as a legitimate police call going bad.

The second case taints the first because perceptions rule.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:51 am

Oath Keepers Ordered to Stop Providing Security for Ferguson Businesses
By Ryan Lenz on December 3, 2014 - 3:36 pm, Posted in Antigovernment, Militias, New World Order, Patriot Groups

Local authorities have intervened and demanded that the Oath Keepers, an antigovernment group comprised of former military and law enforcement personnel, cease providing security for several Ferguson, Mo., businesses in the aftermath of a grand jury decision not to indict the white police officer who killed Michael Brown.

In a public statement, the St. Louis County Police Department confirmed that the Oath Keepers had travelled to Ferguson and begun “walking the rooftops of businesses” with “semi-automatic rifles” “for the purported reason of providing security to local business during the civil unrest in the area.” In so doing, police say, they broke the law.

“[T]he individuals from the group did not adhere to St. Louis County ordinance regulating security officers, couriers, and guard,” a statement the St. Louis Police Department provided Hatewatch said. The ordinance “prohibits anyone from providing security without first obtaining a license.”


The patrols in Ferguson—which do not appear to have been conducted by licensed guards—were organized by Sam Andrews, a former Defense Department contractor who is now a weapons engineer in the St. Louis area, The New York Times reported. Andrews’ voicemail box was full on Wednesday, so requests for comment could not be left.

The Oath Keepers’ armed presence in Ferguson is at least the third time in recent history that members of the group have come heavily armed to complicate already intense situations. In 2011, members of the group descended on the small town of Quartzsite, Ariz., to protect citizens from what they feared would soon be state-imposed marshall law as a fight erupted between the mayor and the police chief. Then, this April in Nevada, Oath Keepers backed scofflaw rancher Cliven Bundy as he stood down the federal government over $1million in contested grazing fees.

But in Ferguson, which has been the site of rioting in the aftermath of a grand jury decision not to indict a white police officer who killed a black teenager, the Oath Keepers have served a function more closely in line with that of a private militia––a service they have historically denied they provide.


“Oath Keepers are individuals that come from first responder backgrounds—military, law enforcement, fire fighters, paramedics—they’re the individuals that put themselves in harms way to keep others safe,” John Karriman, an Oath Keeper, told Fox & Friends yesterday. But what Karriman did not address is the ideological reality behind the Oath Keepers mission.

Since its founding in 2010 by former Army paratrooper and Yale-educated lawyer Elmer Stewart Rhodes, who hoped his Oath Keepers would be a first line of defense against the New World Order, the Oath Keepers have put themselves deep into the heart of the antigovernment movement. The group’s “Orders We Will Not Obey” are theoretical worries, including fears that the federal government will one day call upon the police and military to disarm and imprison U.S. citizens, that have adopted by many “Patriots.”

But in nearly four years since its formation, the group has edged nearer to being just shy of a heavily armed, well-trained paramilitary militia––an alarming trajectory for a group whose members have proven willing to stand against the federal government.

Of course, none of this is true if you ask the Oath Keepers.

“It’s really a broad group of citizens, and I’m sure their motivations are all different,” Andrews told The Times. “In many of them, there’s probably a sense of patriotism. But I think in most of them, there’s probably something that they probably don’t even recognize: that we have a moral obligation to protect the weakest among us. When we see these violent people, these arsonists and anarchists, attacking, it just pokes at you in a deep place.”
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:16 am

Hey RI long time no see.

I just read this whole thread. Really good read but now its late and I'm going to bed.

stickdog99 wrote:I was wrong. I joined an active protest about Garner and Brown today. Kudos to everyone who worked hard to lay the groundwork while I trepidatiously suspected a honeypot. Enough is enough.


NIce one. Good on you.

I'm with Nordic too. Without that Rodney King beating getting filmed the LA riots wouldn't have been possible -- the planned/social control riots needed fuel.


They're only planned in the sense that if you push people hard enough they will riot. So in many senses not at all. But there is a dynamic at play. When King was bashed more and more people had video cameras, but what happened to him was not that unusual. It was only a matter of time before someone with a camera filmed a fairly common (but still shocking) event. But it wasn't what happened to King that sparked the riots - it was cos the cops that bashed him got off. So effectively if you tell a population or an identifiable part of a population to get fucked and rub their face in it often enough and then continually deny them justice and rub their faces in that as well at some point they'll lose it and go ballistic. Its a natural response. And fairly reasonable too.

If you want to count on that response as a reason to ramp up oppression then you don't need to plan the specifics. You just need to be prepared and wait. At some point things will go pear shaped and if you're prepared in advance you'll achieve your agenda.

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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:33 am

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:16 am wrote:Hey RI long time no see.

I just read this whole thread. Really good read but now its late and I'm going to bed.

stickdog99 wrote:I was wrong. I joined an active protest about Garner and Brown today. Kudos to everyone who worked hard to lay the groundwork while I trepidatiously suspected a honeypot. Enough is enough.


NIce one. Good on you.

I'm with Nordic too. Without that Rodney King beating getting filmed the LA riots wouldn't have been possible -- the planned/social control riots needed fuel.


They're only planned in the sense that if you push people hard enough they will riot. So in many senses not at all. But there is a dynamic at play. When King was bashed more and more people had video cameras, but what happened to him was not that unusual. It was only a matter of time before someone with a camera filmed a fairly common (but still shocking) event. But it wasn't what happened to King that sparked the riots - it was cos the cops that bashed him got off. So effectively if you tell a population or an identifiable part of a population to get fucked and rub their face in it often enough and then continually deny them justice and rub their faces in that as well at some point they'll lose it and go ballistic. Its a natural response. And fairly reasonable too.

If you want to count on that response as a reason to ramp up oppression then you don't need to plan the specifics. You just need to be prepared and wait. At some point things will go pear shaped and if you're prepared in advance you'll achieve your agenda.


Yes. And part of me believes that we're being managed somewhat so as not to riot. I would wager that a decision was made - do we let this go full tilt or do we infiltrate and steer it towards nonviolence? - the options were measured and this was the cheaper option to handle.
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Postby Rory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:03 pm

Big fire in downtown LA last night (and at least one other in a different part of town).

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... ype=outfit

And then, I see the US Marine Corp are 'invading' downtown this week

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Don't know if is all related but just seems a weird mix of things happening
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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:18 pm

Laci Green (who can be problematic, but very often right about other things) made a video encouraging riots for MTV.

MTV Releases Video Supporting Anti-Police Riots

You know shit is getting crazy when even MTV's viral-video sex educator is like: let’s talk about riots. Yesterday, Laci Greene posted this short video “Is Ferguson like Mockingjay?”

In a clever bait and switch, Laci entices us with The Hunger Games, and then 30 seconds in starts talking about the legacy of riots in the US. She discusses the Haymarket and Stonewall Riots, taking what otherwise might be seen as boring history and makes it accessible to MTV viewers.

This video signifies the shifts happening in discourse around tactics as the frequency and brutality of police violence becomes harder to explain or comprehend, with major publications and cultural institutions defending rioting – even militantly anti-police riots – in unprecidented ways.

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Postby 8bitagent » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:31 pm

Rory » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:03 pm wrote:Big fire in downtown LA last night (and at least one other in a different part of town).

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... ype=outfit

And then, I see the US Marine Corp are 'invading' downtown this week

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Don't know if is all related but just seems a weird mix of things happening


About that big LA fire last night...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

So many people were complaining about the huge complex, not just the obstructive nature or the high rent but because the developers were really wanting to go after homeless people.
They definitely will be looking at anarchist minded types.


Quite a scene.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:24 pm

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