Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[Iamwhomiam]

I don't buy it. They were in the bar and heard & saw the front door shot out with bullet casings covering the ground? Not one single photo of broken glass at the Bellagio or of the bullet casings? Why is she believable? She could just as well be a plant working in conjunction with those who arranged this conspiracy, if that's what it is.

You'd think something more convincing would be produced that could be considered evidentiary of another shooting as alleged, at another of the seven reported shooting sites.

[Elvis]

The people storming the Bellagio 30-45 minutes after the shooting of the concert-goers could have been people running from the concert seeking refuge.

Good thoughts in your post, but keep in mind that the Bellagio is 1.5 miles away from the concert. (According to the woman Renee.)

I don't buy it. They were in the bar and heard & saw the front door shot out with bullet casings covering the ground?

The woman and her husband have made it very clear that they saw no shooters, no guns, no bullet hits, no doors or windows shot out at the Bellagio. The husband is an experienced Marine, according to the wife, who is able to discern gunfire from other sounds, and the direction and distance; he's convinced it was "automatic" gunfire. To me, this more or less rules out firecrackers or jackhammers.

I thought the after interview was powerful in that it speaks to how people are so easily cowed after surviving an event like that, too afraid to post their own stories and pictures under their real names, afraid they'll lose their jobs, and the gaslighting by the hotel employee, and the reporter whose editor won't let the story through. That's how it's done. You don't have to threaten each and every victim to keep them quiet, just show them how much power you wield through ordinary systems of authority, and people comply. I've read more than one witness saying they even began to doubt their own lived experience.

I woke up this morning to NPR's Scott Psymon (kudos to whoever coined that moniker) going on about "the man who shot president Kennedy"—that would be Oswald, of course. And it's all true, because Norman Mailer wrote a whole book about it!

[stickdog99]

[Cordelia]

This is a great, informative thread; I'm trying to catch up (w/very limited satellite service for videos) and have nothing to add but to say thank you everyone!

[JackRiddler]

"Gunman" or shooter? Nevada is an open carry state. Not that it has to be legal for people to bring out their firearms on that night.

[Cordelia]

Wait, if Garzon is to be believed, a sniper would call attention to himself by calling security (twice) to complain about another guest?

Shooter complained that Mandalay Bay guests below him were too noisy

By Karen Kucher, The San Diego Union-Tribune (TNS)

Friday, Oct. 6, 2017 | 2 a.m.

A San Diego man in Las Vegas for last weekend's county music festival says he stayed in a Mandalay Bay hotel room directly below gunman Stephen Paddock and that Paddock complained repeatedly that he was playing his music too loudly.

Albert Garzon said he didn't realize until after Paddock's deadly rampage — he killed 59 people, including himself, and wounded another 500 as he sprayed gunfire from the 32nd floor of the hotel Sunday night — that the gunman was the person who had called security on him.

Garzon told San Diego Fox 5 that after he returned to his 31st floor room, he looked out the window and saw a curtain flapping in the wind from a broken window in Paddock's room above. He could not be reached for comment.

At some point before the concert, Garzon said he was partying in his room with his wife, Jessica, and two friends when security guards knocked on his door and asked him to turn down his music.

"Security came up to our room and said, you have a guest right above you that is complaining you guys are being too loud," he said. "I didn't think twice about it. I said, yeah, we will turn the music down."

About a half hour or 45 minutes later, Garzon said, a different set of security guards knocked on his door. They told him: ''Hey bud, this is your second time. You have a guest above you that is complaining again, so we have to ask you to turn it down," he said.

Garzon said they warned him if they had to contact him a third time, his guests would have to leave.

Garzon said he went to the concert but left early after he got a funny feeling. His wife and two friends stayed at the show and were there when the shooting began.

"As I'm leaving the hotel, my wife is calling me, screaming, saying that they are being shot at," he said. Garzon told Fox 5 he got separated from his friends and wife after the shooting, and couldn't get back to the hotel for at least 14 hours because the strip was locked down.

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/oct/0 ... sts-below/

[stickdog99]

another witness claims more than one shooter

[stickdog99]

[stickdog99]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -shooters/

When we asked her about what exactly police officers told her when she had asked what was going on she told us: The security guard at the Cosmopolitan exact words were “I know about as much as you do. I have heard 7 confirmed shooters at multiple hotels including the Bellagio.” I do not have any idea how he knew this info, but this is the time they were locking down the hotel. There were a few metro police officers alongside security guards outside our hotel Vdara, and as they were checking our credentials we asked are there really multiple shooters, what’s going on? And the police officer confirmed yes multiple shooters at multiple hotels including Aria next door. He did not say 7 however he just said multiple. I assume he heard this over the radio, bc he was a metro officer.

[Project Willow]

The woman and her husband have made it very clear that they saw no shooters, no guns, no bullet hits, no doors or windows shot out at the Bellagio. The husband is an experienced Marine, according to the wife, who is able to discern gunfire from other sounds, and the direction and distance; he's convinced it was "automatic" gunfire. To me, this more or less rules out firecrackers or jackhammers.

Just one correction here, she did see broken glass, she said she walked on it. The bar area they were sitting in is in direct line of sight of the main entry to the hotel with its glass doors. They were about 60 ft away. She posted a video she made the next morning of where they were sitting and described the broken glass, knocked over signs and rope barriers, dropped shoes, purses, etc.

I could dismiss it too if hers was the only report like this, but there are several posted on personal social media accounts.

If you have a huge scene to secure covering area the size of city blocks, it makes sense get any stray civies off the streets and into lockdown, so shooters outside hotels beginning an hour or so after the main event, even at this one, 1.5 mi from Mandalay Bay.

[stickdog99]

another witness to another shooting that night

[Burnt Hill]

The people storming the Bellagio 30-45 minutes after the shooting of the concert-goers could have been people running from the concert seeking refuge.

Good thoughts in your post, but keep in mind that the Bellagio is 1.5 miles away from the concert. (According to the woman Renee.)

I am probably missing something here, but isn't that pretty much exactly how long it would take to go that far?

[stickdog99]

The people storming the Bellagio 30-45 minutes after the shooting of the concert-goers could have been people running from the concert seeking refuge.

Good thoughts in your post, but keep in mind that the Bellagio is 1.5 miles away from the concert. (According to the woman Renee.)

I am probably missing something here, but isn't that pretty much exactly how long it would take to go that far?

Yes. However, there are 8 other major casinos (Luxor, Excalibur, Tropicana, MGM Grand, Monte Carlo, Aria, Cosmopolitan, Planet Hollywood) right on the strip between Mandalay Bay and the Bellagio. So the question becomes, why would any panicked person from the South end of the strip running all the way to the Bellagio and then into the Bellagio in a panic?

[stickdog99]

At 3:12, I hear non-automatic fire. Then at 3:40 we see the first people evacuate while the band starts to play another song. We don;t hear automatic fire until 3:50.

[stickdog99]

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