Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

[stickdog99]

Why not Candace Owens? She seems to share Biden's views on race relations and the US criminal justice system.

[JackRiddler]

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It's an unusual time (genius! applause!) and I think whoever it is will be getting more attention than Biden, will be more visible than him, will become the spokesperson (besides that she's the prospective president to anyone not in denial about Biden's state).

My current speculations:

Obama = As I wrote way back up there, she's the mythic perfection if they decide to go all out for the win by openly insinuating a co-presidency. (Biden likely to retire asap.) High risk! Opposition will go rabid and target her massively and personally and talk murder all day. Likely to win, but very unlikely to happen.

Clinton = Never. Not having to hear any more speculation about it is pretty much the only reason I'd like to hear the pick soon.

Warren = Pretty much never going to happen. Never mind what YOU know about her, what a fake she is, how reliable she'd be politically, etc. Jamie Dimon and Mike Bloomberg and Co. ain't backing. Risk she would implode before Biden. Way too unflexible.

Susan Rice = Nah. I'd take it as a sign they definitely intend to lose. Zero charisma and flexibility, laughably bad speaker.

Abrams = Still very unlikely. Another high-stakes, all-or-nothing approach, predicated on a massive ground and air challenge to voter suppression. Never mind her useless politics, she does have that issue as a credible bona-fide and fronts a very strong and alert presence. Too "radical" for D establishment for many reasons, including that they hate motivated voters, especially those who might show up for primaries.

Whitmer = More likely than any of the above, for same reasons as the Klob, which still apply, but with less baggage. Vulnerability of a sitting governor who will be attacked in state non-stop. Also, who the hell is she again?

Condoleezza = I bet none of us think this is a joke. Very strong possibility. I would have worldview confirmation orgasms for a week, totally vote for this ticket, and join the overthrow-the-government insurgency on November 4. (Uh, wait, better wait until Jan. 21...) The Q crowd will have orgasms for three weeks and will not stop believing this is the perfect set-up for the Great Swampdrain Revelation until at least a year after the special forces drag the Kayfabe Hitler out of the Oval Office in January.

So yeah, ugh, out of those best known, Kamala now the favorite. Unbearable. Way too obviously fake person. Opportunist. Sitcom character. Right-wing, but will have zero appeal to right-wing. Cop, but cops won't support her. Loss likely.

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[SonicG]

Susan Rice = Nah. I'd take it as a sign they definitely intend to lose. Zero charisma and flexibility, laughably bad speaker.

And guess who is leading the Vegas odds?
https://bookies.com/news/joe-biden-vp-pick-odds

I am still going with Condoleeza Rice also, but even if not, I think will see the pawprints of the never-Trumpers/intel community all over whatever the "Democratic Ticket" looks like...

[Belligerent Savant]

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It appears this fellow meant the below tweet tongue-in-cheek.

The root of The Tree continues to thrive and be nourished while these misinformed souls continue to hack at the apparitions of long-dead branches of The Tree.

[Belligerent Savant]

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To what extent do these statue topplers know that the only logical conclusion, when applying their sense of moral purity, is that the entire U.S., the whole system and all its boundaries/territories, must promptly be dismantled, as it's all acquired via land grabs and the rape/plunder/murder of indigenous peoples (and built up in no small part via slave labor, including hard labor of immigrants)?

A true, thorough de-platforming. Are they committed to see it through? (and then, of course, it's the re-branding/re-building phase, which will require sheer ambition, and along with it, compromise).

The above puts aside for a moment the extent which these recent actions may have been co-opted, at least in part, by unseen hands, and also assumes the majority of those clamoring for statue removals are fully aware of the -- unfiltered -- history of their nation. Among other qualifiers.

[Grizzly]

It only took protests in all 50 states, 11,000 arrested, millions in property damage, rubber bullets, tear gas, A BARRAGE from ARMYs & Kpop stans, and now a complete unified mistrust of the police — to arrest 4 losers filmed murdering a Black man! Sah quel plaissir...

https://twitter.com/SleepDeez/status/1268251253366075392

Sorry if late out of date or already posted

[liminalOyster]

I expect Trump to rally very powerfully before the election and especially if certain optimistic vaccine rumours prove true. Right now we've been subjected only to the big fail flip side of what made him win in the first place. And when the stars align for him again, there is an extraordinary amount of red meat to fling at his base. I expect him to be very good at it, too.

In that scenario, Abrams to the front of the line, gamble or not.

However, if Trump flatlines (or dies of COVID) and this is the wet dream cannot lose moment for the Dem establishment to install whomever the fuck they choose, then I have no doubt it's going to be one of the two Rices. I share Jack's Condie fantasy in a way but I think Susan Rice is it.

[liminalOyster]

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To what extent do these statue topplers know that the only logical conclusion, when applying their sense of moral purity, is that the entire U.S., the whole system and all its boundaries/territories, must promptly be dismantled, as it's all acquired via land grabs and the rape/plunder/murder of indigenous peoples (and built up in no small part via slave labor, including hard labor of immigrants)?
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Based on what I've seen, I'm going to say that a substantial mass of those who want to abolish the police and are willing to topple statues have a pretty good commitment to see it through. I don't think this has much to do with "moral purity" either. The U.S. was never going to evade Truth and Reconciliation if some sort of Leftist party never seized power from the mob. I think its pretty easy to pinpoint the moment this outcome was set in stone, too:

[thrulookingglass]

[JackRiddler]

Based on what I've seen, I'm going to say that a substantial mass of those who want to abolish the police and are willing to topple statues have a pretty good commitment to see it through. I don't think this has much to do with "moral purity" either. The U.S. was never going to evade Truth and Reconciliation if some sort of Leftist party never seized power from the mob. I think its pretty easy to pinpoint the moment this outcome was set in stone, too:

What you said, all the way, up to that penultimate sentence where it gets confusing. But, wait, Clinton was in a remake of that 1940s sailor dance number from Hail, Caesar? Twenty, twenty-five years before the Coen Brothers made it? Damn, this board is the hottest.

[liminalOyster]

that penultimate sentence where it gets confusing.

Maybe it's a more idiosyncratically personal reaction than I realized but I've always found that image and its staging about as perfectly emblematic of Clinton's decision to let White Power slide as anything else. Over the past few years since Ferguson, I've thought back to this image alot and in it I see a very convincing prefiguration of Trump and all the rest. I suppose I would have been clearer and more generous (or maybe snarkier, in the eye of the beholder) if I'd put quotes around the word "stone." See here: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/09/ston ... cy-simmons

[JackRiddler]

I totally misread that photo on first glance, very dumb of me.

Not any kind of a joke. SORRY!

I also don't remember this episode, though I remember others from 1992 that had me enraged at Clinton for his vile rhetoric and pandering to "law and order" and racism, Nixonian fear politics, etc., well before the election (in which I couldn't vote). I particularly remember a press conference with police chiefs applauding him, and the "Sister Souljah" moment.

[PufPuf93]

Too lazy to search the 23 pages of this thread to see the transition but

How come we cannot have two threads?

Spring 2020 Riots

What about the Democratic VP?

Seem both topics are relevant to every day discourse now.

[JackRiddler]

Too lazy to search the 23 pages of this thread to see the transition but

How come we cannot have two threads?

It evolved this way after page 6 (initially springing from the Klobuchar-Minneapolis history, at a point when it wasn't clear that Floyd would be the start of the big groundswell).

Since it was natural and RI-style, I retitled this one, but also started a second more chronicle-ish one for:

Spring 2020 Riots

Which is here.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42051

[PufPuf93]

Thank you Jack.

I get sent QAnon stuff from a person in my life long ago who I have not communicated with for years but little gems show up because she must have put me on some list.

Did you know that JFK jr is still alive (as is Princess Di as a special intelligence agent) and is going to replace Pence as Trump's VP candidate in November 2020?