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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby eyeno » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:11 pm

Ron Paul Wins NH Straw Poll

The Texas congressman won Saturday's New Hampshire Young Republicans Straw Poll by a commanding margin.

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Buddy Roemer addresses the crowd at the New Hampshire Young Republicans Lobster Bake in New Castle on Saturday.
Herman Cain said during Saturday's New Hampshire Young Republicans Lobster Bake that "America can’t keep waiting" for the president to "find" an economic growth plan, which is why Cain said he has created his own. He said he doesn't expect politicians in Washington to "do anything with it," but Cain said it doesn't show them that "there is a plan out there."
Gary Johnson said Saturday "we've got to address everything" to balance the budget, including Medicaid and Medicare.
Thaddeus McCotter plays onstage Saturday at the start of the New Hampshire Young Republicans Lobster Bake.
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Ron Paul got a great birthday present Saturday, as the 76-year-old defeated 11 other Republicans in Saturday's New Hampshire Young Republicans Straw Poll.

Paul, a congressman from Texas, won a commanding 45 percent of the vote and bested runner-up Mitt Romney by 35 percent despite not attending the event, which was held in New Castle and also included a lobster bake.

There were 302 ballots cast Saturday, and the full vote results are as follows, in the order the candidates were listed on the ballot: Jon Huntsman - 3 percent ; Herman Cain - 5 percent; Rick Perry - 8 percent; Fred Karger - 0 percent ; Paul - 45 percent; Mitt Romney - 10 percent; Thaddeus McCotter - 8 percent; Rick Santorum - 3 percent; Michele Bachmann - 5 percent; Buddy Roemer - 3 percent; Gary Johnson - 6 percent; and Newt Gingrich - 1 percent.

Rudy Giuliani and Paul Ryan each received 1 percent of the vote as write-in candidates, while another 1 percent was comprised of candidates who received less than 1 percent, according to event officials.

Gingrich, Perry, Romney and Santorum all were unrepresented at Saturday's event, as no one spoke on their behalf and none had a table at the event.

State Sen. Jim Forsythe spoke on behalf of Paul.

Saturday's event, which drew roughly 350 people, also featured a vote for New Hampshire governor.

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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby barracuda » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:25 pm

eyeno wrote:
SonicG wrote,
Please show me an explanation of how auditing or destroying the Federal Reserve will lead to a more egalitarian society?


To which I say....BWAHHaaaha ha

Are you serious? :rofl:


Decommissioning the Fed, like most of the actual solutions for pragmatically solving the financial crisis as it now stands, would create total and utter world-wide havoc in the markets, and would be extremely destabilising. I imagine such a move would put us rather quickly at Dow 1000 or less. I'm not against it, I just want some heads-up before it happens so I can spend what money I have on farmland in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:18 am

A good dose of world-wide havoc and destabilized markets, along with concommitant results like huge shortfalls, imbalances, slowdowns and stoppages, labor and market crises would be a good thing, necessary even, to create the conditions for the kind of sweeping reforms needed to restore balance, equity, justice and integrity to a system that is so out-of-kilter that genocide and war is leveraged for purely 'business' reasons, and disproportionate extremes of affluent privelege are regarded as natural benefits that accrue to those few positioned by birth, wealth or circumstance able to exploit them. It keeps the whole ponzi scheme of mass media manipulation, expert propaganda, systemic ongoing psyops and predatory practices going. Its a major factor that incentivizes society's corruption, destroying the integrity of community solidarity.

The sooner we take the medicine the better-off we'll be and the easier will be the 'cure'; Putting it off until an indeterminate 'tomorrow' will make the cure harder to effect as we become dependant on the poison.

We're finding out up-close-and-personal what a culture and society look like that is predicated on hypocrisy, fraud, injustice, avarice, inhumanity, cruelty, barbarism, decay, frustration, rage, abuses, exploitation, normalized violence, inequality, insincerity, duplicity ...

Can anyone make the case that this makes us all stronger, better, more noble and generous, compassionate, loving, dignified, inspired?

Perhaps it would be relevant and instructive as well as useful to think what National Security means in a far wider, more comprehensive, holistic sense.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:13 am

A good dose of world-wide havoc and destabilized markets, along with concommitant results like huge shortfalls, imbalances, slowdowns and stoppages, labor and market crises would be a good thing,


Would it tho?

Actually on reflection, you are right. I was gonna post some huge rave but no, you're right. Just follow cuda's advice tho and gtfo of any cities or their general vicinity.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby barracuda » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:46 am

StarmanSkye wrote:The sooner we take the medicine the better


Yes, sweeping reforms, restoring balance, jusitce and integrity... it all sounds good. But if "taking the medicine" means my family and I get spit roasted and eaten by The Lord Humungus, et al, while Paulson & Co. chill in their gated communities, I'd be interested in exploring the details of the plan a bit more thoroughly.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:40 pm

barracuda wrote:
StarmanSkye wrote:The sooner we take the medicine the better


Yes, sweeping reforms, restoring balance, jusitce and integrity... it all sounds good. But if "taking the medicine" means my family and I get spit roasted and eaten by The Lord Humungus, et al, while Paulson & Co. chill in their gated communities, I'd be interested in exploring the details of the plan a bit more thoroughly.


You're both right, of course.

Starman from the perspective of humanity's long-term well-being, and 'cuda from the perspective of an individual who may happen to be stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Or as Lennon said:

When you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out (in)


Revolution is a fucking dicey business.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby eyeno » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:50 pm

Joe Hillhoist wrote:
Just follow cuda's advice tho and gtfo of any cities or their general vicinity.


An ex U.S. member of congress (can't remember his name) also recently advised people to get out of the cities and head for the country.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby The Consul » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:52 pm

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.


The logical projection of this is to extend it to the Emancipation Proclamation.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:14 pm

^^^^^

Sharp insight Bruce Dazzling, that's the predicament we find ourselves in.

Yes, that's why substantial reform is unlikely to be driven by widespread, organized bottom-up grassroots action. Neoliberalism has dismantled and weakened many/most of the public institutions and community networks necessary to protect the majority stakeholders through a chaotic period of systemic change. The elites have learned valuable lessons during the last 50+ years of managing their consolidation of influence & power, forging alliances among the international oligarchy as they disempowered resistance by the 'little people'. The causes of economic and social justice, human and civil rights, regional interdependence and co-prosperity, economic opportunities, financial sufficiency, progressive and equitable access to self-governing accountability -- by most measures these have all suffered badly in the last 50 years thru the subversion of politics leaving the majority vulnerable and dependant on the ruling elites and the status quo. Look how easy they are able to manipulate public information and perceptions thru the near-total control they have over the mass media which still informs the majority of society -- how they can make massive coordinated public demonstrations against the wars 'dissapear', how they can push political candidates like Ron Paul and Kucinich who challenge the dominant political/economic paradigm into the margins of obscurity, how they can ignore and trivialize critical public issues while distracting their audience with nonsensical, trivial blather -- essentially controlling and directing public debate.

We're all victims of a machine-like disease that has infected our society and body politic, that appeals to the narrow-minded venal greed of grasping opportunists who compromise on principle out of deference to the pragmatic materialism of realpolitic bargaining. The sense of 'nation' and 'community' and 'society' that remains is a mangled relic that the elites have bled with a thousand cuts and bruises thru calculated assaults that emphasize the incompatability of antagonistic 'differences' via classic Divide-and-Rule tactics of pre-emptive disorganization. That's why popular figures like JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X, Che, Mandela, Aristide, Chavez, Wellstone, Russo, a hundred-score of charismatic, principled leaders, speakers, organizers of popular resistance were, are attacked and demonized, discreditted and villianized, assassinated and disappeared -- to remove the human organizing-point behind which movements crystalize and grow.

They got our number, their influence and power allows them to out-maneuver and pre-empt our resistance since we've abdicated SO much authority to them.

But their power isn't absolute -- they can't anticipate or control everything. Chaos as by spontaneous outbursts of public outrage like we've seen in the UK and elsewhere, resulting from extreme frustration and undirected rage by people who feel their prospects have been sabotaged by a system that is biased towards elite self-indulgence and a surfeit of unearned privelege at the expense of ordinary people's access to even moderate benefits of a progressive, dynamic society.

The systems' endemic contradictions, inequalities, inconsistencies, self-referential duplicity, hypocrisy and contempt for fairness have pushed, are pushing more and more people into the margins of acceptable and predictable responses, highlighting the fractures in our society where mobs act-out flashpoint impulses of grab-and-destroy, gangs mutually-reinforce an immediate 'family' self-defensive solidarity of crime outside the constraints of exclusionary 'rules'.

That's probably where most of us will find ourselves, trapped in the middle, unable or unwilling to choose 'sides' between the elite's totalitarian plans, the desperate strategic avarice of gangs, and the reckless, angry ambivalent malice of reactionary mobs lashing-out and grabbing theirs because its the only truly authentic 'choice' they feel they have left.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Elihu » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:30 pm

http://www.tommullen.net/featured/what- ... afraid-of/

what are they afraid of?

There is an answer to Ron Paul’s question and he knows it as well as anyone. For any government-connected special interest, whether conservative or liberal, Paul is the grim reaper. He openly opposes it all and cannot be bought. He puts conservatives to shame for their hypocrisy about “free markets” and “small government,” while doing the same to liberals for their hypocrisy about “ending foreign wars” and “protecting civil liberties.” Worst of all, both conservatives and liberals know that he is not in the tank with anyone and will actually do what he says if he gets into office.

They do not want liberal voters to know that there is a Republican who is truly anti-war, an embarrassment to their peace-candidate-turned-warmonger president. They do not want liberals to know that it is a Republican who is truly against the corporate state, which Obama has jumped directly in bed with, if he wasn’t born there. They do not want liberals to be reminded that all of the civil liberties violations for which they excoriated George W. Bush have been expanded by “the One.” Most of all, like the conservative media, they don’t want liberals to know that Ron Paul polls better against Barack Obama than any other Republican candidate.

Being a corporatist cabal, like most other industries in the post-New Deal American economy, the media are not interested in the truth being known. They are interested in preserving their government-protected privileges and those of all of their special interest associates, both conservative and liberal. They are terrified of Ron Paul’s message even being heard. Why? Because the truth has a way of “ringing true” that propaganda does not, no matter how much money is behind it.

In short, the corporate media is afraid that Ron Paul will wake up average Americans to the fact that liberal and conservative special interests captured the government many decades ago, that their perception of American society as free and prosperous is a lie, that the leviathan state was never their benefactor, but rather designed specifically to rip them off, and that the whole thing is coming to an end.


just erase paul's name and substitute "candidate X". an accurate assessment imo. if it's not paul, this "candidate x" had better be found and supported post haste. for race baiters poisoning the well, uhh ending the wars would help brown people in an immediate way would it not?

The Consul wrote:The logical projection of this is to extend it to the Emancipation Proclamation.


i think you're conflating his interpretation of the extent of the government's authority over the lives of the citizens versus some people are citizens and some are not. i don't think that's going to stick to paul.

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But take heart, because I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby eyeno » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:38 pm

Paul was asked for his opinion on whether H.R. 645 (The National Emergency Centers Establishment Act) could lead to Americans being incarcerated in detention camps during a time of martial law.

“Yeah, that’s their goal, they’re setting up the stage for violence in this country, no doubt about it,” responded Paul.


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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:42 pm

Elihu wrote:for race baiters poisoning the well, uhh ending the wars would help brown people in an immediate way would it not?


Ron Paul makes money by thieving from, poisoning and killing brown people.

For example:

Accusations have been growing that the world's premier gold mining company, Barrick of Canada, was responsible for a poisonous leak from its North Mara gold mine in May 2009, which allegedly caused the deaths of around twenty people and numerous heads of cattle.


http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=9336
All Tanzanian companies (not just mining companies) are entitled to a refund on their input VAT.

Thus, last week's announcement that AngloGold Ashanti and African Barrick are among those seeking a refund of more than US$270 million of this tax isn't an anomaly as such.

However, given the profits these companies make, and Tanzania's precarious financial situation, it is highly questionable whether the government should be offering any tax concessions at all.


http://www.minesandcommunities.org//article.php?a=10878

Since it was listed on the London Stock Exchange in 2010, African Barrick - subsidiary of the world's biggest gold mining company - has been beset by accusations of committing major human rights abuses in Tanzania.

Last week, seven Tanzanian citizens were shot dead by "security forces", and a dozen others injured, when hundreds of "armed" local people entered the company's North Mara site, according to the company, in order to seize ore from one of the crushers.

Viewed as an isolated incident, the people's actions would appear to be unacceptable.

However, they were rooted in a pattern of continual aggression, environmental damage and contempt for local communities on the part of the company which commenced soon after Barrick Gold entered Tanzania over a decade ago.


http://www.minesandcommunities.org//article.php?a=10914

So there you have it, one example of why Ron Paul is a piece of shit. Thats one example, but i'll bet I could find another. (In like, 25 seconds.) He's probably less of a piece of shit than most American politicians, but he is still a piece of shit, and voting for him may help you guys in the US out but don't pretend its doing the rest of us in the rest of the world any favours.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:49 pm

But also, Ron Paul and the libertarian scam.

He invests in all these gold and silver mining companies then gets his political supporters to drive an interest in buying gold and silver, thus increasing demand and increasing his profits (eventually.)

What did Bill Hicks used to say?

"Hold on a minute something's slapping my arse."
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Marie Laveau » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:40 am

Bruce Dazzling wrote:
Revolution is a fucking dicey business.


Yes, it is. There are very few times in history where one can point out that it worked as intended. And even those are questionable. And even if one can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it DID work, how does it look today?

Re: Ron Paul

I haven't read this thread because politics is so far out of my frame of vision now that I don't pay any attention for the most part, except as humor. However, if Ron Paul is so great I wonder why he doesn't stand up and admit D.C. is an unredeemable hell hole and there is no fixing it. Why doesn't he say that?

From my humble observation (and we have a newish Senator that we all thought was going to be great, yet.....) they get to D.C. and they LIKE it. They like the perks, they like the adolation, they like it all. Come on, we all know D.C. is an unredeemable hell hole. You might as well try reviving Easter Island as fixing everything that is wrong with D.C. at this point in the game.

And, yet, we're told if we just VOTE for this one person.....why, if we just VOTE, well then, all will be well. The massive corporate behemoth will be deflated, Wall Street (which runs it all) will be reined in, the bloated (and I mean BLOATED) largesse of Congress will be done away with, we will stop the massive, hideous spending on the military-industrial complex - which enriches almost everyone in D.C. to one degree or another, and on and on and on.

My god, voting for Ron Paul will do all that before this whole edifice collapses in on itself? He sounds like a SAVIOR.
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Re: Fuck Ron Paul

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:48 am

barracuda wrote:
eyeno wrote:
SonicG wrote,
Please show me an explanation of how auditing or destroying the Federal Reserve will lead to a more egalitarian society?


To which I say....BWAHHaaaha ha

Are you serious? :rofl:


Decommissioning the Fed, like most of the actual solutions for pragmatically solving the financial crisis as it now stands, would create total and utter world-wide havoc in the markets, and would be extremely destabilising. I imagine such a move would put us rather quickly at Dow 1000 or less. I'm not against it, I just want some heads-up before it happens so I can spend what money I have on farmland in the middle of nowhere.


The metaphors I get when thinking about it are
Addiction withdrawl
Nuclear de-commisioning

Our financial system is currently structured based on
a) getting something for nothing and
b) having someone else pay for it if you get it wrong.

It is also currently run by people exhibiting all the characteristics of psychopaths.
Perhaps because they, like ARE PSYCHOPATHS??.

My understanding is that Wall Street is currently better that the Euro will fail. This was presented on the news here as a mid news filler with an "Oh those naughty traders!" context.




What might be done in the name of withdrawl?
"We all have to go to one united global currency or the markets will implode!"

What might be done in the name of "decommissioning"?
Like Fukushima - lies, poor communication, no transparency, hiding bad news, spin central

It is a variation of the Red Button problem (Catherine Austin Fitts)

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In the summer of 2000, I asked a group of 100 people at a conference of spiritually committed people who would push a red button if it would immediately stop all narcotics trafficking in their neighborhood, city, state and country. Out of 100 people, 99 said they would not push such red button. When surveyed, they said they did not want their mutual funds to go down if the U.S. financial system suddenly stopped attracting an estimated $500 billion-$1 trillion a year in global money laundering. They did not want their government checks jeopardized or their taxes raised because of resulting problems financing the federal government deficit.

Our financial profiteering and complicity is not limited to aristocrats and the elites who do their bidding. Our financial dependency on unsustainable economics is broad, ingrained and deep.


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