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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:42 am

vanlose kid wrote:AD, since the one member of the board who, due to the current circumstances, it was possible for you to hound incessantly with the accusation of being a supporter of the "Reptilian theory" has had her account suspended (pat yourself on the back there, you killed the witch, if only for a week, excellent job), and since hounding and outing "Reptilian theory" believers is your only interest here, and since no one else here, not even those who came to conspiracy theory by way of Icke, not even slimmouse, really believe in "Reptilian theory", and since you have nothing else to say other than warning of the perils in believing in "Reptilian theory", and since you otherwise contribute nothing to the OP (other than as an opportunity for you to engage in your infantilizing crusade), and on the assumption that there is some common decency and grace left in you, would you mind leaving this thread or starting a thread that exclusively discusses your pet crusading cause? notice that i'm not invoking any authority here, i am (despite the fact that i think the probability is near zero) asking you to cease and desist, for just one week, okay? your litany is a bore and your crusade is nothing but mean spirited. please, kindly, leave.

ps: it would be great, if you should decide to leave out of the kindness your heart, refuse to reply to this or merely refrain from doing so, as it would add nothing. don't let the door hit you on the way out. thanks.

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AD is not responsible for that suspension

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and I hope AD never leaves this place
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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:44 am

^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this [place] only to leave this thread [as wittingly or not the only person he was able to, rightly or wrongly, accuse of being a "reptilian theory" believer is no longer participating].

that you can understand though right?

edit: in the context of AD's constant contribution which amounts to nothing other than warning against the perils of believing in "reptilian theory" and attempting to torture people into admitting that they are believers in "reptilian theory" i would say he is a "pisser", to use your pet term.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:48 am

vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this thread.

that you can understand though right?

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AD, since the one member of the board who, due to the current circumstances, it was possible for you to hound incessantly with the accusation of being a supporter of the "Reptilian theory" has had her account suspended (pat yourself on the back there, you killed the witch, if only for a week, excellent job), and since hounding and outing "Reptilian theory" believers is your only interest here, and since no one else here, not even those who came to conspiracy theory by way of Icke, not even slimmouse, really believe in "Reptilian theory", and since you have nothing else to say other than warning of the perils in believing in "Reptilian theory", and since you otherwise contribute nothing to the OP (other than as an opportunity for you to engage in your infantilizing crusade), and on the assumption that there is some common decency and grace left in you, would you mind leaving this thread or starting a thread that exclusively discusses your pet crusading cause? notice that i'm not invoking any authority here, i am (despite the fact that i think the probability is near zero) asking you to cease and desist, for just one week, okay? your litany is a bore and your crusade is nothing but mean spirited. please, kindly, leave.

ps: it would be great, if you should decide to leave out of the kindness your heart, refuse to reply to this or merely refrain from doing so, as it would add nothing. don't let the door hit you on the way out. thanks.

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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:50 am

vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this [place] only to leave this thread [as wittingly or not the only person he was able to, rightly or wrongly, accuse of being a "reptilian theory" believer is no longer participating].

that you can understand though right?

edit: in the context of AD's constant contribution which amounts to nothing other than warning against the perils of believing in "reptilian theory" and attempting to torture people into admitting that they are believers in "reptilian theory" i would say he is a "pisser", to use your pet term.

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am i allowed to say that?

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Postby American Dream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:53 am

vk,

Given your excellent job of egging Candian_watcher on, yet dissociating yourself somehow from the results- not to mention remaining a bit ambiguous about what you actually do and don't support of those very sketchy ideas and behaviors and given that I was responding to Hammer of Los' comments to me and not yours, I have no plans whatsoever of doing what you tell me to do.

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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:54 am

American Dream wrote:vk,

Given your excellent job of egging Candian_watcher on, yet dissociating yourself somehow from the results- not to mention remaining a bit ambiguous about what you actually do and don't support of those very sketchy ideas and behaviors and given that I was responding to Hammer of Los' comments to me and not yours, I have no plans whatsoever of doing what you tell me to do.

End of Story and that's all I have to say to you.


excellent job there. you're improving. now you're even trying the "reptilian believer" thing out on me. you're a load of laughs.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:54 am

vanlose kid wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this [place] only to leave this thread [as wittingly or not the only person he was able to, rightly or wrongly, accuse of being a "reptilian theory" believer is no longer participating].

that you can understand though right?

edit: in the context of AD's constant contribution which amounts to nothing other than warning against the perils of believing in "reptilian theory" and attempting to torture people into admitting that they are believers in "reptilian theory" i would say he is a "pisser", to use your pet term.

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pissees and pisser was referring to the now suspended and ALL the rest of us (go back and read that post) - not you and AD

she seems to bring out the best in all of us occasionally :P
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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:58 am

seemslikeadream wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this [place] only to leave this thread [as wittingly or not the only person he was able to, rightly or wrongly, accuse of being a "reptilian theory" believer is no longer participating].

that you can understand though right?

edit: in the context of AD's constant contribution which amounts to nothing other than warning against the perils of believing in "reptilian theory" and attempting to torture people into admitting that they are believers in "reptilian theory" i would say he is a "pisser", to use your pet term.

*



pissees and pisser was referring to the now suspended and ALL the rest of us (go back and read that post) - not you and AD

she seems to bring out the best in all of us occasionally :P


i did, here's what it says:

seemslikeadream wrote:...

AD is not responsible for that suspension

pissees - pissers


and I hope AD never leaves this place


thanks anyway.

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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:06 am

seemslikeadream wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this thread.

that you can understand though right?

*


Yes I can read


AD, since the one member of the board who, due to the current circumstances, it was possible for you to hound incessantly with the accusation of being a supporter of the "Reptilian theory" has had her account suspended (pat yourself on the back there, you killed the witch, if only for a week, excellent job), and since hounding and outing "Reptilian theory" believers is your only interest here, and since no one else here, not even those who came to conspiracy theory by way of Icke, not even slimmouse, really believe in "Reptilian theory", and since you have nothing else to say other than warning of the perils in believing in "Reptilian theory", and since you otherwise contribute nothing to the OP (other than as an opportunity for you to engage in your infantilizing crusade), and on the assumption that there is some common decency and grace left in you, would you mind leaving this thread or starting a thread that exclusively discusses your pet crusading cause? notice that i'm not invoking any authority here, i am (despite the fact that i think the probability is near zero) asking you to cease and desist, for just one week, okay? your litany is a bore and your crusade is nothing but mean spirited. please, kindly, leave.

ps: it would be great, if you should decide to leave out of the kindness your heart, refuse to reply to this or merely refrain from doing so, as it would add nothing. don't let the door hit you on the way out. thanks.

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oh, sorry, missed the fact that you highlighted a section. well you see, as far as i can tell, AD would, despite not being directly responsible for the account suspension, take some pride in it's happening since Cw according to him is a crypto "reptilian theory" believer with all that that entails. also, he even seems to believe i am one as you can see above. wonder why?

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:10 am

vanlose kid wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:
vanlose kid wrote:^ ^

1) i did not say he was responsible.
2) i did not ask him to leave this [place] only to leave this thread [as wittingly or not the only person he was able to, rightly or wrongly, accuse of being a "reptilian theory" believer is no longer participating].

that you can understand though right?

edit: in the context of AD's constant contribution which amounts to nothing other than warning against the perils of believing in "reptilian theory" and attempting to torture people into admitting that they are believers in "reptilian theory" i would say he is a "pisser", to use your pet term.

*



pissees and pisser was referring to the now suspended and ALL the rest of us (go back and read that post) - not you and AD

she seems to bring out the best in all of us occasionally :P


i did, here's what it says:

seemslikeadream wrote:...

AD is not responsible for that suspension

pissees - pissers


and I hope AD never leaves this place


thanks anyway.

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and now I have wasted way too much time on egos, it's not what I come here for, means nothing to me



on edit I do believe the queen is a reptile
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Postby American Dream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:11 am

Critical thinking?, reductionism?- epistemology, anyone?

http://shethought.com/2010/12/31/the-re ... -among-us/

The reptilians walk among us!
By Simon Menanteau-Ledouble, on December 31st, 2010


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Indeed, teach it! (Reptilian aliens lampooning creationism, on wearscience.com




The dawn of the reptilians (could be the title of a Hollywood blockbuster):

Sometime, you don’t feel like half-assing around with lukewarm conspiracy theories. Sometime, you feel like slapping a pair of goggles on and going full-throttle into crazy-land. There you’ll probably meet David Icke, he has been living there so long, he probably opened a fricking camping or something…

The idea of reptilian humanoid is certainly not new by any stretch : early in the UFO phenomenon, saucers before the greys cemented their hegemony, reptilian visitors were quite popular inhabitant of the flying saucers such as in the account of 1967’s abductees Herbert Schirmer or a passage in Brad Steiger ‘Flying Saucers are hostile’ in the same year. More down to earth, it had been hypothesized, for example by no other than Carl Sagan, that, if not a fortuitous asteroidal encounter in the end of the cretaceous, a highly intelligent specie of dinosaur might have one day evolved that would fill our ecological niche. Troödon formossus that lived at this period and had one of the largest brain to body mass ratio of all dinosaurs, is a favorite candidate for such thought exercise such Dale Russel and Ron Séguin rather hopelessly anthropocentric effort published in 1982 : the dinosauroid. Of course, the mass media were not in rest leading to the creation of popular TV series including the ‘Land of the Lost’ that for three seasons, from 74 to 76, described the reptilian sleestacks, ancient descendants of the dinosaurs, and V, were the invaders were extraterrestrial reptiles adopting a human appearance as part of a conspiracy to take over the planet.

Interestingly, each of these two series seem to have inspired a current in reptoid ‘research’: John Rhodes of the ‘Reptoids research center’ started in the mid-90ies a series of article where he described the reptilians as of terran origin, a convergent line of evolution that produced an intelligent species of cave dwelling rather pacific creatures that only rarely interact with humanity, one could call it the ‘Sleestack version of reptoids’. Of course these creatures should have reached sentience millions of years before any of our ancestors thought of picking up any sharp stick and yet there are, for some reason, the one confined in caves. The reason for this colossal waste of a head-start are, as of yet, unexplained satisfactorily.



And then came David Icke.

And then came David Icke whose paranoid depressing views seem more inspired by V’s visitors although, following the pattern of cross-pollination common to many crackpot theories, he seems quite happy to believe in just about any far-stretched story that is blown his way. Indeed, in David Icke’s world, the reptilians are invaders from the Draco constellation. Arrived on Earth, they establishing themselves at the center of the Hollow earth (the entrance is in Antarctica, apparently) and chilled-out for a while. Then, following a scenario inspired by Zecharia Sitchin, they jump-started the Babylonian civilization that came to worship them as gods, under the name of Anunnaki. Then, because it seems like it’s all any galactic traveler is about, they cross-breed with humans, inspiring the Biblical account of the Nephilim, a story we already heard from the Raëlian cult that itself plagiarized it from Jean Sendy. There was two offshoot of note of these breeding programs: the first one was the production of a human race destined to act as slave master, the Aryans (yes, these guys). The second was the establishment of lineage of individuals able to adopt a human guise upon consumption of human blood. These hybrids bloodlines were then able to acquire leadership position and slowly take over the control of the world, Charlemagne was such a reptilian agent, for example and so is the British royal family to these days as well as the Bushes and presumably any politician or head of state successful enough to be on the news. From this position of power, when not and indulging in child sacrifice and pedophilia (even if it should arguably be called bestiality), the Reptilian advance their agenda, basically, promoting the New world order so dear to the Far Right, as outlined, apparently, in the (well known hoax and best seller of anti-Semitic literature) protocol of the Elders of Zion. Also, the Reptilians come from the constellation Draco, but the Draco constellation from another dimension. So, when Satanists are summoning demons, they are actually bringing Reptilian from this dimension (the fourth one, if you were wondering). Add to that that peculiar British fascination for Lady Di’s death and the idea that the Holocaust apparently did not happen and you might begin to scratch the surface of David Icke’s world view.

At first, the reactions to these ideas were mixed, to say the least, and some people argued that ‘shape-shifting invaders that secretly rule the world’ was just a codename for ‘the Jews’. After all, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, while not objectively much more sensical, do have a certain credibility born of ancienity and familiarity and, certainly, Icke, between his interest into the ‘Aryan race’, his use of anti-Semitic material and his flirt with Holocaust denial, was quite suspicious. But, to these naysayers, Icke was prompt to offer a correction: he is not anti-Semitic and really meant actual, literal, invaders from outer-space that shape shift and secretly rule the world. The Jews are just working for them (world-wide conspiracy arguably is a busy business and sub-contracting is indispensible).



What about the evidences?

Because Icke’s conspiracy has phagocyted so many conspiracionist and pseudo-scientific ideas, most of the evidences Icke can provide sound eerily familiar: He appropriated, for example, a lot of Sitchin’s discredited demonstration. Similarly, the proofs he offers for the secret control of the world by a shadow government of aliens are pretty much copy-pasted from similar conspiracy by the Jews or the Free-masons. The rare bit of truly original evidence offered by Icke and followers is a few poor quality videos in which the subject is described as displaying reptilian physical traits.

So, what should be the skeptical conclusion? Well, it is not possible to totally dismiss the ideas. In fact, many of this conspiracy ‘theories’ are, by nature, unfalsifiable as any absence of evidence is perceived as proof of the secrecy of the conspiracy; any contradictory evidence is but a plant, part of a cover-up by these all powerful illuminatis… So, yes, it is always possible that we all (but Icke and a few of what he terms ‘red robes’) are pawns, shepple, unable or unwilling of seeing the hidden truth. Yet, the default position should be that things are, actually, what they seem to be, that no hard proofs have been offered of the presence of these alien lizards simply because they are not here.

The videos, for starter, are pretty inconclusive. Why would these consummate liars suddenly let slip the mask? And, if this control is so flimsy, how come they are able to fool their entourage 24/7? Isn’t the idea of an artifact of video compression and pixellization much more likely?

As for the more general conspiracy… the world is complicated and messy. Facts are lying all over the place. By carefully selecting and cherry-picking what facts to present, one can tailor what they appear to say in an apparently coherent narrative, one of secrecy and secret conspiracies, a bit like, by cautiously selecting which monument to choose, one can appear to paint a pentagram on a metropolitan city grid: to me, the evidences are way insufficient to warrant seriously challenging the default position.



So what? (shape of a conclusion)

This situation does put the skeptic (at least me) in an awkward position: On one hand, the utmost silliness of the idea, it’s joyous cooptation of the craziest most outlandish claims that the internet can offer, give to Icke’s ramblings an almost pythonesc quality that is quite comedic and a more than a little sympathic. Indeed it did inspire British writer Warren Ellis some rather funny pages for the comic Hellblazer (scroll down, true believer).

Yet, under this superficial crust of clownish make-up, there is the foul smell of the vilest of the vile, the equally joyous bedding of the most sewer smelling ideology of the far right. So, yeah, while we can laugh at the idea of people turning into humanoid reptile, let’s not forget what Ionesco had to say about people turning into Rhinoceros…



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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:13 am

that's funny I edited my post at the exact same time you posted :P

now editing this post

I bet you won't hold that against me - I will agree to disagree with you on that one :hug1:
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Postby Pierre d'Achoppement » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:29 am

So anyway, I am a catlover and yesterday I watched Who will save the green planet on youtube as recommended by someone in the giant orb thread and it''s a movie about someone who believes in reptilians and it''s from Korea and I really really enjoyed it so thanks!

As for teach the controversy, I think that''s so taking things out of context, like starting from a blank yeah then sure a lot of things dont make sense and its hard to back up a lot of arrangements rationally they tried to that after the french revolution no, total disregard for history and tradition and deify ratio, so yeah then you can say hey why not teach the controversy about holocaust lizards ufos etc and put it on line about the controversy about creationism which is stupid btw too they should just teach biology in schools in biology class according to the latest scientific insights and it would maybe be nice if they taught christian heritage in a class on religion and a little about other religions as well but i understand theres a lot of fundamental cases in america and so you get a lot of fanatic sceptics as well sucks huh g2g buy grocerie4s now BYE!

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Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:35 am

American Dream wrote:Critical thinking?, reductionism?- epistemology, anyone?

http://shethought.com/2010/12/31/the-re ... -among-us/

The reptilians walk among us!
By Simon Menanteau-Ledouble, on December 31st, 2010


Image
Indeed, teach it! (Reptilian aliens lampooning creationism, on wearscience.com




The dawn of the reptilians (could be the title of a Hollywood blockbuster):

Sometime, you don’t feel like half-assing around with lukewarm conspiracy theories. Sometime, you feel like slapping a pair of goggles on and going full-throttle into crazy-land. There you’ll probably meet David Icke, he has been living there so long, he probably opened a fricking camping or something…

The idea of reptilian humanoid is certainly not new by any stretch : early in the UFO phenomenon, saucers before the greys cemented their hegemony, reptilian visitors were quite popular inhabitant of the flying saucers such as in the account of 1967’s abductees Herbert Schirmer or a passage in Brad Steiger ‘Flying Saucers are hostile’ in the same year. More down to earth, it had been hypothesized, for example by no other than Carl Sagan, that, if not a fortuitous asteroidal encounter in the end of the cretaceous, a highly intelligent specie of dinosaur might have one day evolved that would fill our ecological niche. Troödon formossus that lived at this period and had one of the largest brain to body mass ratio of all dinosaurs, is a favorite candidate for such thought exercise such Dale Russel and Ron Séguin rather hopelessly anthropocentric effort published in 1982 : the dinosauroid. Of course, the mass media were not in rest leading to the creation of popular TV series including the ‘Land of the Lost’ that for three seasons, from 74 to 76, described the reptilian sleestacks, ancient descendants of the dinosaurs, and V, were the invaders were extraterrestrial reptiles adopting a human appearance as part of a conspiracy to take over the planet.

Interestingly, each of these two series seem to have inspired a current in reptoid ‘research’: John Rhodes of the ‘Reptoids research center’ started in the mid-90ies a series of article where he described the reptilians as of terran origin, a convergent line of evolution that produced an intelligent species of cave dwelling rather pacific creatures that only rarely interact with humanity, one could call it the ‘Sleestack version of reptoids’. Of course these creatures should have reached sentience millions of years before any of our ancestors thought of picking up any sharp stick and yet there are, for some reason, the one confined in caves. The reason for this colossal waste of a head-start are, as of yet, unexplained satisfactorily.



And then came David Icke.

And then came David Icke whose paranoid depressing views seem more inspired by V’s visitors although, following the pattern of cross-pollination common to many crackpot theories, he seems quite happy to believe in just about any far-stretched story that is blown his way. Indeed, in David Icke’s world, the reptilians are invaders from the Draco constellation. Arrived on Earth, they establishing themselves at the center of the Hollow earth (the entrance is in Antarctica, apparently) and chilled-out for a while. Then, following a scenario inspired by Zecharia Sitchin, they jump-started the Babylonian civilization that came to worship them as gods, under the name of Anunnaki. Then, because it seems like it’s all any galactic traveler is about, they cross-breed with humans, inspiring the Biblical account of the Nephilim, a story we already heard from the Raëlian cult that itself plagiarized it from Jean Sendy. There was two offshoot of note of these breeding programs: the first one was the production of a human race destined to act as slave master, the Aryans (yes, these guys). The second was the establishment of lineage of individuals able to adopt a human guise upon consumption of human blood. These hybrids bloodlines were then able to acquire leadership position and slowly take over the control of the world, Charlemagne was such a reptilian agent, for example and so is the British royal family to these days as well as the Bushes and presumably any politician or head of state successful enough to be on the news. From this position of power, when not and indulging in child sacrifice and pedophilia (even if it should arguably be called bestiality), the Reptilian advance their agenda, basically, promoting the New world order so dear to the Far Right, as outlined, apparently, in the (well known hoax and best seller of anti-Semitic literature) protocol of the Elders of Zion. Also, the Reptilians come from the constellation Draco, but the Draco constellation from another dimension. So, when Satanists are summoning demons, they are actually bringing Reptilian from this dimension (the fourth one, if you were wondering). Add to that that peculiar British fascination for Lady Di’s death and the idea that the Holocaust apparently did not happen and you might begin to scratch the surface of David Icke’s world view.

At first, the reactions to these ideas were mixed, to say the least, and some people argued that ‘shape-shifting invaders that secretly rule the world’ was just a codename for ‘the Jews’. After all, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, while not objectively much more sensical, do have a certain credibility born of ancienity and familiarity and, certainly, Icke, between his interest into the ‘Aryan race’, his use of anti-Semitic material and his flirt with Holocaust denial, was quite suspicious. But, to these naysayers, Icke was prompt to offer a correction: he is not anti-Semitic and really meant actual, literal, invaders from outer-space that shape shift and secretly rule the world. The Jews are just working for them (world-wide conspiracy arguably is a busy business and sub-contracting is indispensible).



What about the evidences?

Because Icke’s conspiracy has phagocyted so many conspiracionist and pseudo-scientific ideas, most of the evidences Icke can provide sound eerily familiar: He appropriated, for example, a lot of Sitchin’s discredited demonstration. Similarly, the proofs he offers for the secret control of the world by a shadow government of aliens are pretty much copy-pasted from similar conspiracy by the Jews or the Free-masons. The rare bit of truly original evidence offered by Icke and followers is a few poor quality videos in which the subject is described as displaying reptilian physical traits.

So, what should be the skeptical conclusion? Well, it is not possible to totally dismiss the ideas. In fact, many of this conspiracy ‘theories’ are, by nature, unfalsifiable as any absence of evidence is perceived as proof of the secrecy of the conspiracy; any contradictory evidence is but a plant, part of a cover-up by these all powerful illuminatis… So, yes, it is always possible that we all (but Icke and a few of what he terms ‘red robes’) are pawns, shepple, unable or unwilling of seeing the hidden truth. Yet, the default position should be that things are, actually, what they seem to be, that no hard proofs have been offered of the presence of these alien lizards simply because they are not here.

The videos, for starter, are pretty inconclusive. Why would these consummate liars suddenly let slip the mask? And, if this control is so flimsy, how come they are able to fool their entourage 24/7? Isn’t the idea of an artifact of video compression and pixellization much more likely?

As for the more general conspiracy… the world is complicated and messy. Facts are lying all over the place. By carefully selecting and cherry-picking what facts to present, one can tailor what they appear to say in an apparently coherent narrative, one of secrecy and secret conspiracies, a bit like, by cautiously selecting which monument to choose, one can appear to paint a pentagram on a metropolitan city grid: to me, the evidences are way insufficient to warrant seriously challenging the default position.



So what? (shape of a conclusion)

This situation does put the skeptic (at least me) in an awkward position: On one hand, the utmost silliness of the idea, it’s joyous cooptation of the craziest most outlandish claims that the internet can offer, give to Icke’s ramblings an almost pythonesc quality that is quite comedic and a more than a little sympathic. Indeed it did inspire British writer Warren Ellis some rather funny pages for the comic Hellblazer (scroll down, true believer).

Yet, under this superficial crust of clownish make-up, there is the foul smell of the vilest of the vile, the equally joyous bedding of the most sewer smelling ideology of the far right. So, yeah, while we can laugh at the idea of people turning into humanoid reptile, let’s not forget what Ionesco had to say about people turning into Rhinoceros…



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Warren Ellis' Hellblazer


nice. i do realize it's your style and you feel like i'm cramping it and all so i'll address the board generally.

AD has convincingly shown that (1) reptilian theory is bad and (2) believing in reptilian theory is bad. which is a massive achievement in critical thinking in and of itself and as such should be lauded to the heavens.

that's one thing. fine. as for the other thing, which consists of interrogating people with regard to their beliefs in reptilian theory and continuing to do so no matter how many times they say "no, i do not"? i don't know.

as far as i can tell a number of board members (myself not included) have read or do read Icke's site and some have learned from it. now as AD himself admits in his reply to HLos some 70 percent of what Icke brings up is info, and 30 or so percent isn't (AD's estimate). given that say a board member who does read or has read Icke's site etc., denies belief in "reptilian theory" but say they do believe x-amount of what Icke presents, does that entail that they believe in "reptilian theory"? and if they are asked regard "reptilian theory" specifically and say no they don't, does it make sense for AD to incessantly interrogate them with regard to their belief in "reptilian theory" based on his hunch that they do? as he has, just recently, done to Searcher08, HLos, and now myself? is this a result of critical thinking? what is the point of it?

that's it. i'm done.

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Re: Critical Thinking, reductionism, epistemology RI megathr

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:39 am

Pierre d'Achoppement wrote:So anyway, I am a catlover and yesterday I watched Who will save the green planet on youtube as recommended by someone in the giant orb thread and it''s a movie about someone who believes in reptilians and it''s from Korea and I really really enjoyed it so thanks!

As for teach the controversy, I think that''s so taking things out of context, like starting from a blank yeah then sure a lot of things dont make sense and its hard to back up a lot of arrangements rationally they tried to that after the french revolution no, total disregard for history and tradition and deify ratio, so yeah then you can say hey why not teach the controversy about holocaust lizards ufos etc and put it on line about the controversy about creationism which is stupid btw too they should just teach biology in schools in biology class according to the latest scientific insights and it would maybe be nice if they taught christian heritage in a class on religion and a little about other religions as well but i understand theres a lot of fundamental cases in america and so you get a lot of fanatic sceptics as well sucks huh g2g buy grocerie4s now BYE!

and copypastekid LEAVE AMREICAN DREAM ALONE!!! :hug1:


you, kind hearted and upstanding, would you mind asking AD to leave off hounding people with the "Since when did you stop believing in reptilian theory?" schtick? no? didn't think so.

i'm out of here.

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